Has the OBAMA PRESIDENCY been a BIG, HUGE SCAM ON YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE???

by Drue-AFCL Posted 2012/06/10 19:04:39

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	YES	165 votes	73%
	NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .	62 votes	27%

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Common ... to Flash,a... 2012/06/11 03:42:57

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This entire time Gitmo has been getting renovated.

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voice_matters 2012/06/11 00:54:05

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

i do understand you have nothing but hate for obama, and looking for only those that agree with you.

why is it that you want only those that do not agree with you explain their views?

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zbacku to voice_m... 2012/06/11 14:49:21

We don't need to explain Obama's scam. It's proving every day we fall deeper in debt and the list of his lies grows every time he opens his mouth.

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voice_m... to zbacku 2012/06/11 17:16:15

i do understand you have nothing but hate for obama, and looking for only those that agree with you.

why is it that you want only those that do not agree with you explain their views?

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apachehellfire65 2012/06/11 00:47:31

YES

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he scammed them into voting for him. he scammed them into believing him. now he's trying to scam them into re-electing him.

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Mike 2012/06/11 00:42:14

YES

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Absolutely no question largest scam in American politics in our brief history

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jb6503 2012/06/11 00:40:36

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

Since I am apparently expected to perform an audit on my negative answer, here goes.

First off, let's take a look at the definition of a scam, according to the OED: "A dishonest scheme; a fraud"

Mr. Obama was voted into office by the American people. Regardless of how his actions in office have been perceived, he acquired his current office in a manner no less legitimate than any other president. The Obama presidency may have been, in the minds of some, have thus far been a debacle, but to question its legitimacy is a fool's errand. I hope that in the future druebeall will phrase his questions in a way that is less sensationalist.

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bmxscho... to jb6503 2012/06/11 01:31:37

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he cheated to get into office my dead relatives voted for Obama and the would have been against him just like I am

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zapped to jb6503 2012/06/11 01:56:59 (edited)

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another troll and level 4 at that ....reactivated too right ?

if ya used common sense you could see that is was questionable how Mr Soetoro got elected ..

after his election an investigation BY THE ELECTIONS BAORD concluded that many of the vote were obtained by deceased people !

then there is huge issues with the vetting procedure ..by pelosi ,,,,then if you have had your head in the sand you wouldnt have paid any attention of him ....

do you believe in socialism / communism ?

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Chelsea to jb6503 2012/06/11 05:01:23

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fisherman 2012/06/11 00:40:14

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

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he didnt scam this old fish ...i said from the jump , if this clown wasnt the anti christ then he could keep the seat warm for the real deal. really wonder what he has to do to change the minds of the believers.....EAT THEIR YOUNG ??

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Azrael-In GOD we trust 2012/06/11 00:23:14

YES

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Oh please, do you have to ask?
I think we all have been in the biggest scam job in the entire universe.

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gocar 2012/06/11 00:19:09

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

Of course not. It there was any scam it was the way the Congress was bamboozled into Iraq.

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Bali to gocar 2012/06/11 07:52:02

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yeah, the poor demos...

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Acid Gonewild 2012/06/10 23:50:46

YES

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Most degeneracy yes!!!!

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borderqueen 2012/06/10 23:43:22

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

No, because the real "SCAM," has been the Republican Party, and its because of the GOP who voted against women's rights to equal wages,that American women workers continue to be underpaid, and continue earning less then men, because Republicans, have always looked down on the female workers as second class citizens, here is the real scam, the scam to force the Obama Presidency to inherit the economic conditions, caused by prior Republican administrations, to the Obama Presidency and why women and their families will think real hard next time when they cast a vote in the November election, Remember working women of America, who has you working earning less than men? The biggest scammers,,,,,,,,aka" The Republican Party

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Drue-AFCL to borderq... 2012/06/11 02:23:40

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Women are under paid in the White House as well. You did know that right?!?!?!?

https://www.google.com/#hl=en...

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Common ... to borderq... 2012/06/11 03:47:09

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How much do women make in the NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA?

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Bali to borderq... 2012/06/11 07:53:02

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as usual, the village idiot voices her lost theories for all to laugh at.

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Maxim to borderq... 2013/05/09 22:26:04

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Polly want a cracker?

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dubbie 2012/06/10 23:18:50

YES

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The only way we can even think about paying on this scandalist debt and survive as a nation ,Is to Go for our own God given resourses under our feet This wont happen under this regime and its our duty to America that we Get someone who will stand behind us to get it . Sitting on a treasure trove and sending money to foriegn country while our country is suffering is nothing more than an intentional act to bring this country down

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borderq... to dubbie 2012/06/10 23:46:50

I don't know why all you yessers, are blaming the President when the world knows that the only ones responsible for the economic conditions in our country are the party who started two wars at the same time, wasn't that cheney and bush? I believe so, and so when you splurge the taxdollars on expensive wars and forget the homefront, what do we get? the economic disaster, bush and cheney left behind with their corporate connected members of the Republican Congress, who cannot vote against the corporate donors that keep the engines of the republican party lubricated................we all know that and why President Obama, will be relected.

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dubbie to borderq... 2012/06/11 00:11:31

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How much did it cost to rebuild the largest city in the country after 9/11 ? Wasn't it reason enough to go to war ? Wasn't it approved by Liberals ? The money spent under Bush was well spent, Under Obama you might have to ask Eygpt or palestine how they like it

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Flash,a... to borderq... 2012/06/11 01:07:41

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I thought our economic problems were caused by the housing crash thanks to Dems like Barney Frank giving loans to those that could afford them.

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Common ... to Flash,a... 2012/06/11 03:48:49

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they were

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Common ... to borderq... 2012/06/11 03:48:35

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Do you remember the date? 9-11

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Bali to borderq... 2012/06/11 07:55:37

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how quickly lemmings forget about their party mistress bawney fwank who allowed the housing bubble to explode singlehandedly. they also forget the dems controlled congress for how long??? they were all for the wars they started. sounds like you are the one in need of lubrication toots. obama reelected, now thats a knee slapper.

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john Kills 2012/06/10 23:16:31

YES

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It's been a test. Katrina was a test. The attack on dairy and hog farmers has been a test. The patriot act, TSA, NDAA, spy drone, have all been test and the tests have concluded that the American people are too scared and will never react. These tests have assured the politicians that they can do whatever they want without worrying about what the subjects might do or how the will react because they won't react, they will do nothing.

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zapped to john Kills 2012/06/11 02:07:01

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and a test with congress to see if they'd stop obama when he defied them the first time ,,and the reaction of the people ,,and to see if he could get the liberals to defend him against the common sense thinkers ....and it happened ,,,and thier subliminal programing worked ,,was going on since 2005 ,,,but wasnt implemented till 2007 when obama came on scene ..and some were mesmerized by the man ,,,some could see right through him , and checked him out and werent impressed ,,the rest were hypnotized ...

past 3 yrs was a little back & forth between libs & common sense thinkers ,,,but past 6 mos ,boy theyre really tyring to sway the thinking process ,,& the CST of us ...!

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john Kills to zapped 2012/06/11 02:29:33

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Exactly right zapped. I didn't know our perception of reality was so keen but damned if I can figure out why so many others can't see what's going on. It as plain to see and easy to read as your last post yet people remain clueless. I am glad there are a few of us though.

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Picasso's Cat 2012/06/10 23:03:14

NO AND PLEASE EXPLAIN. . . . .

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It hasen't been any more of a scam than the last 5 Presidents we have had. They all seem to mandate things that Americans don't want, but get Americans to go along with them threw lies and manipulation of the truth.
We the people always find out after the fact that we screwed up by agreeing with the presidents administration, and by that point there is nothing that can be done because we as a people are so divided on the issues we can't ever get rid of the person who used us, and they know it, that's why they know they can use us and get away with it.
We live in the era of "acceptable discrepancies" because there is nothing we can do about any of it. The two party system has our votes sewed up using the electoral college so they pic who we get to vote for.
And democrats and republicans are so likeminded anymore it don't really matter which one you vote for because they both are pro-foreign nations, and not pro-America.
One god damn president after another, and still America is suffering, and the only people who arn't suffering are the government.
We The People has been changed to " They The Government " .

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Roger to Picasso... 2012/06/11 00:11:33

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Damn. That was good. Insightful. And you are so right. There are those "dreamers" of us out there that think we can still change it. It isn't hopeless but you are correct it is where we are at. Romney is who I will vote for because he is the best of the two. That dosent mean I will relax and not pressure him to do the right thing. It dosent mean that I don't start looking two years down the road to see what better changes can be made in congress. I can not just say there is nothing I can do. I vote for school boards, city officials, state and federal. We start local and work up and there might be a very real chance to end this crony governmental system. I have to have faith that it will be we the people again.

Thanks for the post. Was like a cold splash of water.

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Picasso... to Roger 2012/06/11 00:45:05

I don't know who I will vote for yet, but I can tell you the democrats are the ones who support my lifestyle, my income. As I work with the government as a concept illustrator in the environmental sector. I do illustrations of what a city will look like after it goes green, meaning solar and wind turbine for free power to ease up their electrical grids. It's been working great, saving millions of dollars that would be spent on electricity, but now that power is free from the sun and the wind.
The democrats are pro-environment right now, and the republicans want to cut many of the governments environmental programs, which would put me out of a job.
So even though I'm not pro-Obama I might have to go with him for my livelihood to continue.
It's a damn tough choice, but I have to think about myself.
I would like to see a third candidate become a contender once the fight starts, well like Ron Paul who is also pro the environment, so I will wait until the last minute to vote, and hope for the best.
I really don't see any difference between Mitt Romney and Obama as far as doing any good for the nation, they both have their criticisms of worth.
So we will see how things unfold I guess, but bottom line is I have to think of "My" future first.
Take care my friend.

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Roger to Picasso... 2012/06/11 01:19:52

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It is getting late and work is just a few short hours away. I want to respond to you but my answer would be quite lengthy and I need to get some rest. I have you on my friends list and hope to talk to you more on the subject. I want you to know that I am also am artist/ illustrator and a proponent of alternative energy. Have been for over 30 years. I just see another way to achieve my goals and achieve a better America than the way we are going. I will contact you and we will talk. Thank you my friend!

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Picasso... to Roger 2012/06/11 13:11:47

OK

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zapped to Picasso... 2012/06/11 02:16:58

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I'm with ya both PARDON / ROGER .....

I'm not sold on romney DEFINATELY NOT SOETORO ( OBUNGHOLE)

and seems were dammed either way we go here ....and has been the intent of the govt . & the involvement in the UN and this aint good ,,,

their intent (the UN ) is mass taxization ,then a socialistic system ( as does europe have ) and soetoro states this is a good thing ..and is intent on taking our freedoms / and has allowed cross training with foreign ( UN forces on this soil ) ??

and also is implementing clintons mandate to make our forces wear the UN emblem ..??

then clinton's remarke ( about our jobs situation ) the USA is better off than england / europe .??

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Roger to zapped 2012/06/11 14:29:55

Don't get wrong. Romney was not my first choice but he is my choice now. There is no way I could ever vote for Obama. Romney a least a step in the right direction.

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john Kills to Picasso... 2012/06/11 02:46:31

Where are people supposed to work? Coal mines employ people to operate machinery, machinery must be built and maintained, coal is moved by trucks, trains, barges, ships, coal is delivered to generation plants that employs many thousands of people. Your liberal ideology want to replace all those jobs for a clean environment. Where are people supposed to work. All those jobs you want to eliminate are good paying jobs with great benefits. These ideals of yours effects my industry. Kentucky shut down 5 mines last week. All those miners lost good paying jobs. Railroads and trucking companies along with barge companies are going to be laying off because there is no coal to move. AEP is closing 5 power plants do to pressure from EPA. Thousand of jobs soon to be gone in a already very bad economy. More people will be applying for food stamps and unemployment benefits and the government is $15,000,000,000,000 past broke. Many house will be lost, cars and trucks repossessed further hurting banks. People will be pulling their money from their 401s trying to stay alive, what will this do to the stock market? This whole "green energy" thing is a hoax and further destroys the economy. The market will drive the need for green energy one day when we have no choice but to look for aternative sources. Until that time, technology is doing more harm than good.

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Picasso... to john Kills 2012/06/11 13:29:00

I don't want to replace any jobs. Solar and wind turbine will never replace any coal industry jobs, Lol.
You have no idea what your talking about friend. The coal industry has nothing to worry about from environmental efforts.
Your coal mines are being shut down because they are not safe, people have died, mistakes have been made, and our government is coming down hard on them for that reason, not anything to do with solar pannels or wind turbines, Lol, get your facts straight!

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john Kills to Picasso... 2012/06/11 14:22:52 (edited)

American Electric Power (AEP) is shutting down 5 power plants due to pressure from EPA to meet new standards. AEP has spent billions of dollars in the last 10 years to update those plant and installing scrubbers. 5 plants, do you know how many jobs that is? The mines that shut down in KY. Have excellent safety records. How many jobs were lost? The numbers were on the news as well as the project numbers of jobs for truck driver. Local businesses like car dealers, restaurants, grocery stores, city governments are all worried because mining pays all the bill in these small communities. Environmentalists had better wake the hell up. The population continues to grow but the number of jobs continue to disappear, especially the good paying ones. If there is one of us who does see and understand what's going on, it's you. We are decades behind the UK's development of wind farms. The UK is abandoning these efforts because they are unreliable. Once a farm is set up and running, how many people does it employ? A coal mine works 3 shifts, 24/7 operations provide jobs that feed families and pays for houses, cars, college, retirement..... Coal mines are not the only industry under attack but I work in the energy industry and am seeing the effects of these new policies. A lot of good, hard w...

American Electric Power (AEP) is shutting down 5 power plants due to pressure from EPA to meet new standards. AEP has spent billions of dollars in the last 10 years to update those plant and installing scrubbers. 5 plants, do you know how many jobs that is? The mines that shut down in KY. Have excellent safety records. How many jobs were lost? The numbers were on the news as well as the project numbers of jobs for truck driver. Local businesses like car dealers, restaurants, grocery stores, city governments are all worried because mining pays all the bill in these small communities. Environmentalists had better wake the hell up. The population continues to grow but the number of jobs continue to disappear, especially the good paying ones. If there is one of us who does see and understand what's going on, it's you. We are decades behind the UK's development of wind farms. The UK is abandoning these efforts because they are unreliable. Once a farm is set up and running, how many people does it employ? A coal mine works 3 shifts, 24/7 operations provide jobs that feed families and pays for houses, cars, college, retirement..... Coal mines are not the only industry under attack but I work in the energy industry and am seeing the effects of these new policies. A lot of good, hard working people are losing their livelihoods. I was alive and working before obarry turned the epa loose and the world doesn't seem any cleaner now and it wasn't so bad 4 years ago. I'm glad you have a way to make a living but you're endorsing the loss of many good jobs.
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