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Has the OBAMA PRESIDENCY been a BIG, HUGE SCAM ON YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE???

Drue-AFCL 2012/06/10 19:04:39
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  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/12 13:30:42 (edited)
    Stoner
    well he lies about it first then was caught so had to tell the truth,you would think anyway
    http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/...
  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/12 13:33:14 (edited)
  • YouSirName Stoner 2012/06/14 19:25:42
    YouSirName
    +1
    This exemption was designed for groups like the Amish, who do not pay social security taxes and do not collect social security benefits. Muslims have never been exempted from social security and would not likely be exempted from universal health insurance.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 19:32:02
    Stoner
    so what your saying is that they get something they didnt pay for
  • YouSirName Stoner 2012/06/14 19:39:45
    YouSirName
    "They" being the Amish? So now you are claiming that the President is Amish?

    As stated most Muslims do pay social security taxes and purchase insurance and would have to be covered by health insurance like everyone else.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 19:57:45
    Stoner
    Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 19:59:24
    Stoner
    Amish or Muslim who is a US citizen can apply for exclusion, but those who are green card holding US residents are not permitted to apply for exclusion.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 19:43:39
    Stoner
    Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill.
  • YouSirName Stoner 2012/06/14 20:05:17
    YouSirName
    That is not true for most Muslims in this country, who accept insurance where the law requires it. For example - buying houses, auto insurance, etc. So this is NOT a special exemption for Muslims.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 20:15:25
    Stoner
    United States Constitution! I can not find any where in the document where it gives Congress or a President the right to mandate health care. Or anything else which does not require involvement by each State.
    Why are we fighting and dying in Islamic Countries and then come home to our own country only to find Muslims exempt from United States Constitutional Law.
    Whose freedom are our Soldiers fighting for? Everyone but United States Citizens?
    If mandated health care is good for everyone by Federal Law then every U.S.Citizen should be involved in National Health Care.
    When Congress, Special case religions and others exempt themselves from this health care I see a problem. Either we all do it or no one should be involved.
    My own opinion! National Health Care is a National SCAM!
    Our United States Constitution is not a Law of confusion. The Constitution was carefully designed to protect the rights of U.S.Citizens. Today you can look at every line of the Constitution and then find Laws signed by Presidents which ignore the document.
    I do not understand why the entire country is not in an uproar over the hostile take over of our country by POLITICIANS who are self serving. Who do not represent the people, but only what financial gain they can receive by passing laws.
    The American People ar...
    United States Constitution! I can not find any where in the document where it gives Congress or a President the right to mandate health care. Or anything else which does not require involvement by each State.
    Why are we fighting and dying in Islamic Countries and then come home to our own country only to find Muslims exempt from United States Constitutional Law.
    Whose freedom are our Soldiers fighting for? Everyone but United States Citizens?
    If mandated health care is good for everyone by Federal Law then every U.S.Citizen should be involved in National Health Care.
    When Congress, Special case religions and others exempt themselves from this health care I see a problem. Either we all do it or no one should be involved.
    My own opinion! National Health Care is a National SCAM!
    Our United States Constitution is not a Law of confusion. The Constitution was carefully designed to protect the rights of U.S.Citizens. Today you can look at every line of the Constitution and then find Laws signed by Presidents which ignore the document.
    I do not understand why the entire country is not in an uproar over the hostile take over of our country by POLITICIANS who are self serving. Who do not represent the people, but only what financial gain they can receive by passing laws.
    The American People are so hung up on Political Parties that the people as a whole do not see what POLITICIANS are doing to us. It won’t be long and we will have as many illegal immigrants as true Citizens in the U.S., the Constitution says the Federal Government is responsible to protect each State from invasion. But what is going on? Our President is suing States who try to stop illegal immigration.
    Politicians are paid out of an Entitlement System they do not contribute to. Politicians not representing U.S.Citizens should all be drug tested and evaluated annually. If found not representing U.S.Citizens they should be FIRED by the U.S.Citizens they represent!
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  • YouSirName Stoner 2012/06/14 20:27:18
    YouSirName
    Glad to discuss substantive points rather than lists. It is still a question whether the Commerce Clause gives the government the power to require health insurance. That is what the Supreme Court is deciding. You do realize it is universal INSURANCE, not universal healthcare, and that insurance is not government insurance, but private?

    As pointed out, Muslims are NOT exempt from the healthcare law. But I agree with your questioning regarding why we are fighting and dying in other countries. The answer is that the neocons and George Bush pushed us into the war, because their corporate backers make billions from the american taxpayer when we go to war.

    Again, it isn't mandated healthcare, it is mandated health insurance. The reason for it is that those who don't have health insurance are free-loading off the rest of us that do because they don't pay their healthcare bills and that pushes costs up for everyone.

    Agree that most politicians are self-serving. The biggest thing we could do to change this is to institute strict term limits. Incumbents will continue to get re-elected at >90% - that is a function of our two-party system.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 20:37:47
    Stoner
    i dont believe he thinks about America before himself
  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/14 20:34:41
  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/14 20:47:28
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 20:42:28
  • YouSirName Stoner 2012/06/14 20:55:47
    YouSirName
    Seriously? So you think that when he was 15, and living in Hawaii (or do you deny that as well?) Obama didn't apply for a SSN, which he could have easily obtained, but instead started listing a fake number?

    Stoner...step away from the weed.
  • Stoner YouSirName 2012/06/14 20:58:32
    Stoner
    prove he didnt o sorry all his files are seal;ed for a reason he LIES!
  • Jim YouSirName 2012/06/11 23:56:36
    Jim
    +1
    Typical Lib; deny, distort, change the subject, blame Bush or play the race card.
  • YouSirName Jim 2012/06/12 00:01:41
    YouSirName
    Actually, if you read the links (I know that is a tough assignment) you will see that the list by Stoner is a pack of lies. But I guess providing evidence of the truth is somehow distortion, changing the subject, blaming bush and playing the race card.

    Again, I don't expect reality to make any difference...
  • Jim YouSirName 2012/06/12 00:08:01
    Jim
    +1
    Reality is: your guy had the best of both worlds for his first two years in office with Pelosi in the House and Harry Reid in the Senate, yet they still have not balanced the budget. Your guy only knows borrowing and spending money we don't have with no checks or balances and no positive results for any of it. He is inept, incompetent, a fish out of water and in a pay grade way over his ability.
  • YouSirName Jim 2012/06/12 00:57:30
    YouSirName
    Oh, right, balance the budget in 2 years on top of the housing/Wall street financial crash / Iraq War. I do agree that Obama squandered the opportunity of the first two years because they vastly underestimated how much the Republicans are willing to destroy the country in order to try to defeat the President. Oh, and the rise in Federal spending is much slower under Obama than under Bush. The deficit is rising principally because of (a) military spending in Iraq & Afghanistan, (b) Bush tax cuts, and (c) recession legacy.
  • Nestofa... YouSirName 2012/06/14 01:17:34
  • wale63 YouSirName 2012/07/06 14:51:38
    wale63
    to the lefty loons;
    What was the Unemployment rate in 2008, 2012?
    What were the prices of gas 2008, 2012?
    What was the deficit in 2008, 2012?
    What was the debt in 2008, 2012?
    what were the average prices for food 2008, 2012?
    do you loons REALLY want a real scrutiny of the Imam's record?
    Imam Obama ran in 2008 stating that the 'hole' we faced in 2008 was too BIG and HE was the man who could fix the hole. He has only made the hole BIGGER and doesn't deserve a second term.
    Imam Obama had TWO YEARS with a complete democratic congress to push whatever he wanted. They did, despite the objections of the majority of citizens.
    In 2008, voters voted for "Change".
    In 2010, voters didn't like the direction of the 2008 change, so they voted for change again.
    In 2012, they will fulfill and complete Imam Obama's desire for change by changing presidents once again.
    FACTS DO MATTER.
    Andy
  • Hayley ... Stoner 2012/06/12 05:15:50
    Hayley Callaway
    +3
    Half of those things are good.

    I think Afghanistan deserved an apology seeing as we killed more civilians than terrorists over there. (84)

    And most of those are simply words. There is no proof behind any of these statements.

    Next time, I'd try for quality over quantity. Because, despite your tiring number of arguments, they are not even arguments.
  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/14 20:20:41
    Stoner
    reshearch is your chioce
  • Stoner Hayley ... 2012/06/14 20:23:43
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 18:43:05
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    LMAO.....
    You see, if these things were completely true, you conservatives might have a point but they're not.
    You have no proof Obama was born anywhere but America, still you hang on to that lie.
    The credit downgrade was not obama's fault, it was the republicans playing games and instead of holding them accountable you let it slide so you can blame Obama.
    The expense of the India trip was spin and you know it
    It goes on and on.
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 19:06:31
    Stoner
    im more worried about this(executive order 13575) instead of where he was born..if so prove instead of being ashamed of it
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 19:11:05
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    Wait... what about the lies you've already posted??

    I'm sorry the ONLY place I see this executive order are right-wing websites. Do you have a legitimate website I can look at???
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 19:23:31
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 20:10:22
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    I listed a couple.... you want to pretend you didnt see them go ahead.
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 20:27:24
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 20:45:12
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    That is someones blog and its riddle with inaccurate information.

    Are you so simple to believe all your so-called proof (which has been debunked) slipped passed the likes of the opposing party???
    They could have EASILY used this information to get rid of President Obama BEFORE he even started.... whats the matter with you???
    I NEVER thought I'd say this but back away from the gaunga...
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 20:53:41
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    It was posted.... give me proof its NOT the real BC???
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 20:55:12
    Stoner
    SS is what i meant
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 20:56:35
    Stoner
    but like i said those are the least important ones on the list those hurt him the rest hurt America!!
  • Wilde~M... Stoner 2012/06/12 20:53:55
    Wilde~MoonChild ™
    we're done here birther
  • Stoner Wilde~M... 2012/06/12 20:53:03
    Stoner
    ok if you say so
  • Birthpangs 2012/06/11 21:26:53
  • Rhio2k Birthpangs 2012/12/25 12:49:29
    Rhio2k
    +2
    This just proves that ANY idiot, regardless of race, can become president if his Grammy is rich and hangs out with the right radical socialists...who are inevitably pulling the strings of the democrat party.

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