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Has Social Security Always Been a Government Run Scam?

Kiki 2010/02/20 14:16:00
Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
No. The government is just trying to help people.
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When Social Security was enacted in 1937 and required that workers pay into the fund for the entirety of their working years until retirement at age 65, the average life expectancy in the US was 61.7 years. For Blacks the life expectancy was 53.1 years. Was Social Security enacted as, yet another, means to strip the income from hard working Americans and prevent them from acquiring personal wealth?
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  • Ripped1X... 2010/02/20 15:36:23 (edited)
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Ripped1X...
    +12
    SS is the biggest ponze scheme, it's makes Bernie Maddoff look like a boy scout. Anyone remember Enron? What they did with their employees retirement funds were the same thing the US government has been doing with SS, the only difference is there is a different set of laws for our legislators than there is for the rest of us. This has been going on for 30+ years and did not start with Clinton but it went over the cliff with him.

    Do you know why the Republicans let the Democrats get away with telling this lie?

    Because they controlled Congress and voted in favor of this sh!t too.

    Bill Clinton and Deficit Reduction

    Bill Clinton claimed the deficit was reduced more than since the Civil War and that his balanced budget would protect Medicare, Medicaid, education and the environment.

    On the surface it might appear he reduced the deficit, but the problem was the deceptive way Clinton accomplished this "sleight of hand" deficit reduction. It's called "cooking the books."

    You see, the government keeps two sets of books... One set showed the rosy picture Clinton wanted to paint for the American public. The other set showed the actual mess that really existed for our national debt and deficit reduction. What President Clinton failed to say was his deficit-reduction package would run up alm...











    SS is the biggest ponze scheme, it's makes Bernie Maddoff look like a boy scout. Anyone remember Enron? What they did with their employees retirement funds were the same thing the US government has been doing with SS, the only difference is there is a different set of laws for our legislators than there is for the rest of us. This has been going on for 30+ years and did not start with Clinton but it went over the cliff with him.

    Do you know why the Republicans let the Democrats get away with telling this lie?

    Because they controlled Congress and voted in favor of this sh!t too.

    Bill Clinton and Deficit Reduction

    Bill Clinton claimed the deficit was reduced more than since the Civil War and that his balanced budget would protect Medicare, Medicaid, education and the environment.

    On the surface it might appear he reduced the deficit, but the problem was the deceptive way Clinton accomplished this "sleight of hand" deficit reduction. It's called "cooking the books."

    You see, the government keeps two sets of books... One set showed the rosy picture Clinton wanted to paint for the American public. The other set showed the actual mess that really existed for our national debt and deficit reduction. What President Clinton failed to say was his deficit-reduction package would run up almost 1$ trillion in federal debt. This is because the reported deficit does not include monies "borrowed" from trust funds. This despicable gimmick used by the White House and Congress to cover up the huge federal budget deficit was the looting of the Social Security Trust Fund, Medicaid, Civil Service and military retirements funds. This money may very well not be available to many of us when we grow old.

    As for protecting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, he robbed those coffers to make his deficit appear lower. To make the deficit "appear" lower, the Clinton administration "borrowed" from the Social Security Trust Fund, and borrowed big. The fund dried up years and years ago. Now they borrow directly from your FICA payments to make the deficit appear lower. Futhermore, Clinton dipped into the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) to help reduce the deficit.

    deficit futhermore clinton dipped federal employees retirement fers reduce deficit

    Hillary Clinton continued to repeat the lie in her bid for president, frequently noting that her husband left the White House with the nation enjoying record budget surpluses that Bush has turned into record deficits.

    If you used the same bogus math to do your taxes that the government uses to spend your taxes, you'd go to jail. If private sector trust funds were handled this way, those responsible would be behind bars.

    spend taxes jail private sector trust funds handled responsible bars

    When will we hold the government just as accountable in spending our taxes as they hold us in paying our taxes? This lying has to stop. The budget was NOT balanced during the Clinton years, and saying otherwise is both irresponsible and dangerous.
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  • Bitwise Operator 2010/11/09 21:08:54
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Bitwise Operator
    Yes, Social Security has always been a tool to provide security to those promoting a left centered social agenda.
  • EClair 2010/05/02 17:19:30
    No. The government is just trying to help people.
    EClair
    +1
    What happened to other? I believe it began with good intention, but somehow the govt decided it was their slush fund.
  • Kiki EClair 2010/05/02 18:30:29
    Kiki
    +1
    When people forcibly take your money/income and do not do with it what they had agreed to do, otherwise, squander your money, does it really matter what were their original intentions? Think about it, Bernard Madoff did not start out taking people's money and not investing it and for years, EVERYONE made/had income. The trouble came, just like with social security, when people wanted to take out more of their money than other people were putting into the scam.
  • EClair Kiki 2010/05/02 18:35:36
    EClair
    The trouble also came with the government using the monies for their own devices instead of realizing that it is our money. There are many things that start out in this world as good and become corrupted by human greed.
    But I agree, the money should not be forcibly taken from us. It should have been on a voluntary basis.
  • tomem 2010/02/28 03:10:41
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    tomem
    +1
    It was, and is, the longest running scam in history.
  • Malachi 2010/02/26 01:48:45
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Malachi
    +1
    Good question.
  • thefatguy 2010/02/23 06:22:13
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    thefatguy
    +1
    Another government boondoggle to defraud the American people while simultaneously increasing the power of the Federal government.
  • shadow 2010/02/22 22:01:33
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    shadow
    +2
    Few people understand or remember what Social Security was originally designed for...

    http://www.network-democracy....

    14.1 What was the original intent of Social Security? What additional programs have been added?

    The original intent of Social Security was to provide a monthly benefit for workers who retired at age 65 financed by contributions these workers made over their career. The program has expanded over the years by, among other changes, extending benefits to the retiree's family, the survivors of deceased workers, providing benefits for the disabled, allowing retirement at age 62,. and providing cost-of-living increases.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The original Social Security Act[1] (1935) and the current version of the Act, as amended[2] encompass several social welfare and social insurance programs. The larger and better known programs are:
    • Federal Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance
    • Unemployment benefits
    • Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
    • Health Insurance for Aged and Disabled (Medicare)
    • Grants to States for Medical Assistance Programs (Medicaid)
    • State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
    • Supplemental Security Income (SSI)

    U.S. Social Security is a social insurance program funded through dedicated payroll taxes called F...

















    Few people understand or remember what Social Security was originally designed for...

    http://www.network-democracy....

    14.1 What was the original intent of Social Security? What additional programs have been added?

    The original intent of Social Security was to provide a monthly benefit for workers who retired at age 65 financed by contributions these workers made over their career. The program has expanded over the years by, among other changes, extending benefits to the retiree's family, the survivors of deceased workers, providing benefits for the disabled, allowing retirement at age 62,. and providing cost-of-living increases.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The original Social Security Act[1] (1935) and the current version of the Act, as amended[2] encompass several social welfare and social insurance programs. The larger and better known programs are:
    • Federal Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance
    • Unemployment benefits
    • Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
    • Health Insurance for Aged and Disabled (Medicare)
    • Grants to States for Medical Assistance Programs (Medicaid)
    • State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
    • Supplemental Security Income (SSI)

    U.S. Social Security is a social insurance program funded through dedicated payroll taxes called Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA). Tax deposits are formally entrusted to[3] the Federal Old-Age and Survivors Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Disability Insurance Trust Fund, the Federal Hospital Insurance Trust Fund, or the Federal Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund. The main part of the program is sometimes abbreviated OASDI (Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance) or RSDI (Retirement, Survivors, and Disability Insurance). When initially signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1935 as part of his New Deal, the term Social Security covered unemployment insurance as well. The term, in everyday speech, is used to refer only to the benefits for retirement, disability, survivorship, and death, which are the four main benefits provided by traditional private-sector pension plans.

    In 2004 the U.S. Social Security system paid out almost $500 billion in benefits.[4] By dollars paid, the U.S. Social Security program is the largest government program in the world and the single greatest expenditure in the federal budget, with 20.8% for social security, compared to 20.5% for discretionary defense and 20.1% for Medicare/Medicaid.[5] Social Security is currently the largest social insurance program in the U.S., constituting 37% of government expenditure and 7% of the gross domestic product[6] and is currently estimated to keep roughly 40% of all Americans age 65 or older out of poverty.[7] The Social Security Administration is headquartered in Woodlawn, Maryland, just to the west of Baltimore.

    Social Security privatization became a major political issue for more than three decades during the presidencies of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush.

    History
    A limited form of the Social Security program began as a measure to implement "social insurance" during the Great Depression of the 1930s, when poverty rates among senior citizens exceeded 50%.[8]

    Creation: The Social Security Act
    The Social Security Act was drafted by Gov. Robert Moran Jr.'s committee on economic security, under Frances Perkins, and passed by Congress as part of the New Deal. The act was an attempt to limit what were seen as dangers in the modern American life, including old age, poverty, unemployment, and the burdens of widows and fatherless children. By signing this act on August 14, 1935, President Roosevelt became the first president to advocate the protection of the elderly.[10]

    Provisions of the Act
    The Act is formally cited as the Social Security Act, ch. 531, 49 Stat. 620, now codified as 42 U.S.C. ch.7. The Act provided benefits to retirees and the unemployed, and a lump-sum benefit at death. Payments to current retirees were (and continue to be) financed by a payroll tax on current workers' wages, half directly as a payroll tax and half paid by the employer. The act also allocated money to states to provide assistance to aged individuals (Title I), for unemployment insurance (Title III), Aid to Families with Dependent Children (Title IV), Maternal and Child Welfare (Title V), public health services (Title VI), and the blind (Title X).[10]

    Controversy
    Social Security was controversial when originally proposed, with one point of opposition being that it would cause a loss of jobs. However, proponents argued that there was in fact an advantage: it would encourage older workers to retire, thereby creating opportunities for younger people to find jobs, which would lower the unemployment rate.

    I want my money back along with the money that all of my employers contributed on my behalf.... and I want it now!
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  • JCD aka... shadow 2010/02/23 08:58:12
    JCD aka "biz"
    +1
    Thank you for this very detailed description of the various Social Security programs .
    So, the cost of publicly-run SS is 7% of the GDP. The cost of the mostly privately-run health care system is 17% of your GDP, vs. 8-10% in other rich countries, which all have universal health care. Why waste so much money?
  • Kiki JCD aka... 2010/02/23 14:42:20
    Kiki
    +1
    There are two very good reasons to not have government mandated healthcare.
    1. Personal freedom
    2. We can't afford it.

    Social Security is BROKE.
    Medicare is BROKE.
    Medicaid is BROKE.
    United States Post Office is BROKE.
    Amtrak is BROKE.

    The United States Government is BROKE.
    (Interest on the National Debt is approximately $500,000,000/5 hundred million per day. There are currently approx. 300 million people in the U.S. That means each person needs to pay $1.67 per day just to pay the interest on the debt.) Yep! The U.S. is BROKE.

    How can anyone, in their right mind, want to hand over something else for the U.S. Government to BREAK.
  • JCD aka... Kiki 2010/02/23 16:31:10
    JCD aka "biz"
    1) You can certainly afford to "pay $1.67 per day just to pay the interest on the debt". The US is not Haiti.
    2) According to Paul Krugman, close to half the budget deficit is caused by the Bush-era tax cuts. Isn't time to review at least some of these tax cuts?
    3) Universal health care is not just a form of "compassionate Conservatism (or Liberalism)", it is also far less expensive than your for-profit health care system, according to OECD statistics.
  • Kiki JCD aka... 2010/02/23 16:46:49 (edited)
    Kiki
    +1
    Provide links to VALID sources. I showed you mine, show me yours.

    BTW...The $1.67 per day is per PERSON in the US...That includes all men, women, newborns, retirees who are among the 200 million people NOT in the work force. Based on the fact there are approximately 100 million workers in the US that means each worker pays over $5.00 per day just to cover the cost of the INTEREST. I don't know about you but paying $150. dollars a month in interest is not a way to get out of debt.
  • JCD aka... Kiki 2010/02/23 16:58:52
    JCD aka "biz"
    1) Paul Krugman, "The Bankruptcy Boys", "The International Herald Tribune", global edition of the New York Times, Feb. 23, 2010, (global.nytimes.com)
    2) OECD stats are easy to find, if you have a problem, just let me know.
  • Kiki JCD aka... 2010/02/23 17:03:22
    Kiki
    +1
    Provide LINKS...It's not up to me to search your sources.
  • imotley JCD aka... 2010/02/25 13:32:10
    imotley
    +1
    I hardly think Paul Krugman is a valid source.
  • JCD aka... imotley 2010/02/25 13:33:35
    JCD aka "biz"
    Can you be more specific?
  • imotley JCD aka... 2010/02/25 17:00:16
    imotley
    +1
    I would prefer sources that are fairly well balanced, not leaning toward one party or the other. Mr. Klugman does not fit that definition.
  • Kiki imotley 2010/02/25 13:51:37
    Kiki
    Make note, bizutage failed to provide links to their "sources." It always happens when someone spews crap about which they know nothing.
  • imotley Kiki 2010/02/25 17:02:18
    imotley
    +1
    I had noticed no sources has been given... and I can't give a specific on Mr. Klugman, other than his rabid partisanship...which makes me discount what he says.
  • JCD aka... imotley 2010/02/26 12:14:48
    JCD aka "biz"
    Paul KRugman is the name. I gave the reference, and I'm now trying to provide the link.
  • imotley JCD aka... 2010/02/26 13:20:06
    imotley
    +1
    I understand that.... my point is that I don't consider Klugman as a source because he is such an ideolog (I probably spelled that wrong). I like to use sources that are more balanced and sometimes they are hard to find.... so I take multiple sources and try to glean the truth from them. I'm not one of those who demands someone always show their sources, but they do help. If I can look at the sources you provide and learn something, then that is a plus...
  • Kiki imotley 2010/02/26 14:26:36
    Kiki
    Anytime someone throws down numbers as the reason for their opinion, I require sources.
  • imotley Kiki 2010/02/26 16:07:17
    imotley
    +1
    I understand when numbers are involved...So many numbers are thrown around that sourcing is seriously needed, you have to have something in front of you to compare. I don't worry about it when names or pundits are mentioned.
  • Ms. Mom - profits employ, t... 2010/02/22 21:55:29
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Ms. Mom - profits employ, taxes destroy
    +1
    That is exactly what it did. Also, over time SS has become a slush fund for pseudo-welfare payments - in the form of new "benefits" !! The biggest ponzi scheme ever!
  • WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB 2010/02/22 13:49:19
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +1
    Yes. Now we wait for the "Government" to raid our 401's, annuities and other such retirement plans... and yes, just such is now in the works.
  • Kiki WannaBe... 2010/02/22 15:05:05
    Kiki
    +2
    How insane is it that Obama and his Czars want to REQUIRE private citizens to include US Treasury Bonds as a significant percentage of their retirement portfolio. It's not bad enough the government runs up dept that taxpayers are required to pay the government is scheming to REQUIRE citizens to buy US dept.

    I'm waiting for legislation that will deny SS benefits to people who've paid into SS for decades but who have also built their own retirement portfolio.
  • WannaBe... Kiki 2010/02/22 15:18:44
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +3
    Kiber, the so called political process is completely broken AND out of control. That there is still a large contingent out running free, who actually believe that "Government" can do a positive for one person without causing harm to another, is beyond me.
  • Kiki WannaBe... 2010/02/22 20:33:03 (edited)
    Kiki
    +3
    There will always be those people who would rather eat the crumbs from the government's table than do what it takes to get their own steak.
  • WannaBe... Kiki 2010/02/23 11:38:57
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    +2
    Crumbs...
    To heck with crumbs, I'm going out for steak, medium well with a baked potato.
  • Ms. Mom... Kiki 2010/02/22 21:52:51
    Ms. Mom - profits employ, taxes destroy
    +1
    exactly - reward irresponsibility.
  • Donald 2010/02/22 11:58:10
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Donald
    +2
    There was no intent for SS to provide retirement benefits. It was intended as government catastrophic care in the event of injury or illness that prevented the bread winner to work. For those few who lived past 65, SS provided some money to supplement what they had saved for over the years. What the government advertised is a retirement plan and that is what America signed up for. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can easily see that retirement is not the purpose of SS and never was. Tell those politicians who claim to represent you that their little BS gig is up.
  • Kiki Donald 2010/02/22 21:33:12
    Kiki
    EDUCATE YOURSELF....Social Security was ALWAYS intended to provide retirement for people over the age of 65. The full name for what people call SS is "Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance"

    The Act has always provided benefits to retirees and the unemployed, and a lump-sum benefit at death. Payments to current retirees were (and continue to be) financed by a payroll tax on current workers' wages, half directly as a payroll tax and half paid by the employer.

    Source
  • Sanibel 2010/02/21 23:44:20
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    Sanibel
    +2
    How about stimulus money going to social ecurity to pay back to the citizens what was stolen from them.
  • Donald Sanibel 2010/02/22 12:01:23
    Donald
    +2
    How about someone show me one red cent of "stimulus money". My little town got $2.7 million but the mayor and city council don't know anything about it. I bet you can check and find out the same thing. The stimulus money seems to be on another set of books or did it simply go to pay off campaign debts and to pay back votes purchased with the blood of patriots?
  • Kiki Donald 2010/02/22 15:18:48
    Kiki
    +1
    Here's a link to the map that will allow you to determine EXACTLY where the Stimulus money went in your zip code and any other zip code. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that your city officials know where the money went. If they don't know, you need to elect people who are informed and capable of working for your best interest.

    Just a note about the map. Let the map load, type in your zip code or state. Click on the little blue dots. There is a link at the bottom of each little box that will give full details of the Stimulus dispersement.
  • Headhun... Kiki 2010/05/02 15:24:40
    Headhunter 13
    +1
    Love this. My county/zip code got almost 33 million dollars and created 16.48 jobs. Not bad (very sarcastically and cynically) about 2 million dollars for each job created.

    Now if I had 2 million input in to my small business I could create about 10 jobs maybe more and because it is an employment/placement company that would potentially put more people to work or at the least give a lot of people better jobs and include tax revenue and true economic stimulus.
  • Kiki Headhun... 2010/05/02 16:36:28 (edited)
    Kiki
    +1
    ...*deeep breath preceding rant in the style of a Lunatic Leftist Liberal.*....

    Oh no you don't, Mister...There will be NO growth of capitalism during the Reign of Obama. ONLY government growth and government intervention shall prevail during the time of The One.

    ...*back to sanity*...

    Your plan would never be accepted because IT WOULD WORK and BENEFIT the U.S. and AMERICANS. Obama and The Czars count on the fact that most Americans are unaware of the fact that government jobs, regardless of there being city, county, state and/or federal, do not add to the GDP of the US and GDP is what establishes the wealth of a nation.
  • Headhun... Kiki 2010/05/02 16:55:33 (edited)
    Headhunter 13
    +1
    Of course why actually do something productive and truly progressive (maybe one day maybe these so called progressives/uber liberals will learn that the word means to progress not stagnate) like investing in the economy and the people.
  • OLD CRACKER 2010/02/21 21:44:13
    Yes. It's just another way for the Government to get our money.
    OLD CRACKER
    +1
    SS would be OK if the GD politicians would stop spending our contributions on PORK.
  • Kiki OLD CRA... 2010/02/21 21:48:59 (edited)
    Kiki
    +1
    Not really. Currently, there are only 3 contributors for every recipient of SS.
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