I guess being the dolt you are you can't read either. We haven't let God in school since 1962 because some loon thought it was a bad thing to pray. Go play in the UK area you don't belong here commenting on my country, yours is too phucked up to have any opinion that matters.
1) That you have to number your answers is telling.
2) God doesn't kill people moron, people kill people. He left us with free will, we are not robots, except for you. 3) That's why it's called faith 4) That it is, some more important than others, yours is worth zilch.
We never had any morals. The idea of morality, and the American way of life are just that, an Idea. I love the idea of America. I love the idea our forefathers stood for. What I dont love is what America is today.
All those saying things about god,
God is not christian. We know nothing about god. If we want to I sugest you put down your cryptic old texts written by men who were prone to halucinating in the desert heat and look to science, philosophy and reason. We will find and understand the mind of god by looking towards the cosmos.
We've slowly removing God from everything and inserted violent video games, porn houses, gangs, drug lords, incorporated with corrupt lieing politician wannabe dictators....
Fortunately there are still a lot of Americans who still cling to their guns and religion, and if you don't like it kiss it...........
Yes!!
Families are fading away. There are more single parents than there are married couples, and too many children growing up without one of their parents.
No one cares about anyone else anymore. Only out for themselves and kick as many people as they need to get ahead.
Too many people are concerned with what they can get instead of what they have.
This could go on and on...We're fading. We're going to kill each other.
I think that morals in America have definitely taken a slide, and in following the news it may even seem that they have taken the back seat in many people's lives if not kicked out of the car completely and left to hitch hike on it's own. I know that there are still many many decent people in the US, but more and more people are being told to be "tolerant" and adopt a live and let live attitude even when it's over things that America 50 years ago would have never tolerated or allowed.
The Earth has never been a place to find morality. There are a small portion of offenders and a small portion of defenders but those who do the most harm are those who just sit and watch. Our morals as a collective species hasn't degraded, they were never there in the first place.
I don't think there has ever been a generation that trumpted itself and morally superior to the good old days. But I think the reality is that things just go along. For the one loon kid, there were thousand, tens of thousands in that community that were heroic and good.
I don't see national indifference as one would expect from an amoral society. So on balance the evidence is pretty strong that we are pretty strong.
"Do not be decieved: Bad company corrupts good morals" Stern.
Not completely but there has been a definite decline in what we openly accept as the norm is lackluster at best concerning morals and behaviors.Keeping my bar set high in what my expectations of others demands and even higher of what I demand of myself is an absolute for me. Adding what we as a society are forced by government to not only accept but to monetarily support through our tax dollars and the role that plays effect.
Well wow.. this is a hot topic and I'm in another direction all together. I think that morals are taught at home, parents have to lead and teach by example. If you lead an immoral life chances are your children will emulate you and they will also lead an immoral life. Not in every case but usually. Its not always the parents fault when someone becomes a raving lunatic like this guy did in CT, but something somewhere went way wrong in his mind. I was raised by 2 parents that stuck together thru good and bad, and there was lots of each. I learned my morals from them, I'm no prude, not a goodie goodie, but I do have morals and I've tried to infuse those into my children as well. In the end, it depends on what a child chooses to do.You can teach a child 3 things, whats right, whats wrong and honesty. What they do with that information as an adult is up to them. If they have grown up with strong moral values they usually become pretty moral individuals... JMHO of course.
Cute little picture.....
How does it explain how your god's exclusion from school curriculum as the reason for violence........When a CHRISTIAN gunman....IN A CHURCH blew the head off a doctor during services?
Last I checked a church was supposedly the "house of god"......
From where I'm standing it looks like your god couldn't prevent a murder in his own house.
So you may take your theory back to the drawing board.
I beg your pardon? What stupidity are you about to entreat me with?
And just WHAT does it have to do with how having prayer (christian, of course) is going to prevent such things from happening, when your god has shown himself/itself to be unable to prevent a murder in a dedicated house OF prayer?
Unless you are trying to say your god favors "some" murders......dispite his 7th commandment.
"Thou shalt NOT murder"
Looks pretty simple to me......Didn't see any qualifiers. You saying there ARE qualifiers? Funny, you'd think your god would have forseen the need and had it written in right off the bat........
Well actually morals have begun in the ideals of religion. Every religion has rules regarding good behavior and bad. The problem I believe, in today's liberal mantra they preach to be tolerant of people who have less than good morals. In schools today the kids a programed to expect every outcome to be a good one, when in life we all know that is not how it works.
Well actually,....you're wrong.
Morals predate the monotheistic religions and the concept that "a god" provided them.
Going to Rome, Greece, and further to the Sumerian civilizations. Law, justice, and the guiding morals developed in mankind without a god to provide them. And the polytheistic pantheons didn't include a god for morality.
Then there's the people who have developed in seclusion from the rest of humankind and amazingly enough, have very well developed morals.
Polytheism is the worship or belief in multiple deities usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own religions and rituals.
Polytheism is a type of theism. Within theism, it contrasts with monotheism, the belief in a singular God. Polytheists do not always worship all the gods equally, but can be henotheists, specializing in the worship of one particular deity. Other polytheists can be kathenotheists, worshiping different deities at different times. That brainiac, is a religion.
No kiddin......
My point, that you so adroitly sidestepped was that in said polytheistic religions, none of the gods provided an overall moral code.
You worshipped your patron god/goddess and made whatever sacrifices were deemed necessary, and were either favored or not.
The religion did not provide the morals.
Yet both the Greek and Roman civilizations left behind MOUNTAINS of evidence to their highly developed morality and ethics.
While the zealots who worshiped deities were busy sacrificing people and animals tot their gods, people like Socrates were discovering morality. Morality comes through reasoning not through blind faith
To play devil's advocate here, the worst school massacre wasn't even within the last 20 years and it didn't even involve guns. It was in 1927. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
2) God doesn't kill people moron, people kill people. He left us with free will, we are not robots, except for you.
3) That's why it's called faith
4) That it is, some more important than others, yours is worth zilch.
All those saying things about god,
God is not christian. We know nothing about god. If we want to I sugest you put down your cryptic old texts written by men who were prone to halucinating in the desert heat and look to science, philosophy and reason. We will find and understand the mind of god by looking towards the cosmos.
Fortunately there are still a lot of Americans who still cling to their guns and religion, and if you don't like it kiss it...........
Families are fading away. There are more single parents than there are married couples, and too many children growing up without one of their parents.
No one cares about anyone else anymore. Only out for themselves and kick as many people as they need to get ahead.
Too many people are concerned with what they can get instead of what they have.
This could go on and on...We're fading. We're going to kill each other.
I don't see national indifference as one would expect from an amoral society. So on balance the evidence is pretty strong that we are pretty strong.
Not completely but there has been a definite decline in what we openly accept as the norm is lackluster at best concerning morals and behaviors.Keeping my bar set high in what my expectations of others demands and even higher of what I demand of myself is an absolute for me. Adding what we as a society are forced by government to not only accept but to monetarily support through our tax dollars and the role that plays effect.
Cute little picture.....
How does it explain how your god's exclusion from school curriculum as the reason for violence........When a CHRISTIAN gunman....IN A CHURCH blew the head off a doctor during services?
Last I checked a church was supposedly the "house of god"......
From where I'm standing it looks like your god couldn't prevent a murder in his own house.
So you may take your theory back to the drawing board.
What stupidity are you about to entreat me with?
And just WHAT does it have to do with how having prayer (christian, of course) is going to prevent such things from happening, when your god has shown himself/itself to be unable to prevent a murder in a dedicated house OF prayer?
Unless you are trying to say your god favors "some" murders......dispite his 7th commandment.
"Thou shalt NOT murder"
Looks pretty simple to me......Didn't see any qualifiers.
You saying there ARE qualifiers? Funny, you'd think your god would have forseen the need and had it written in right off the bat........
You have shown that you can repeat yourself.
Now show that you can back your statement up.
I'll be here not holding my breath.
Morals predate the monotheistic religions and the concept that "a god" provided them.
Going to Rome, Greece, and further to the Sumerian civilizations. Law, justice, and the guiding morals developed in mankind without a god to provide them. And the polytheistic pantheons didn't include a god for morality.
Then there's the people who have developed in seclusion from the rest of humankind and amazingly enough, have very well developed morals.
Polytheism is a type of theism. Within theism, it contrasts with monotheism, the belief in a singular God. Polytheists do not always worship all the gods equally, but can be henotheists, specializing in the worship of one particular deity. Other polytheists can be kathenotheists, worshiping different deities at different times.
That brainiac, is a religion.
My point, that you so adroitly sidestepped was that in said polytheistic religions, none of the gods provided an overall moral code.
You worshipped your patron god/goddess and made whatever sacrifices were deemed necessary, and were either favored or not.
The religion did not provide the morals.
Yet both the Greek and Roman civilizations left behind MOUNTAINS of evidence to their highly developed morality and ethics.
So......you were saying?
And I have just used pre-christian history to refute your assertion.
Anything else?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...