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GOVERNMENT GONE AMOK #2. Does the rain that fall on your property belong to you or the GOVERNMENT? YES? NO?

GINGERBREAD 2012/07/30 11:34:49
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The state of OREGON says that it belongs to the government. They are putting a man in jail for 30 days because he decided to trap the rain water that fell on his property, and put it in a pond. The state says that water belongs to the government. When are we going to stand up to all these UNCONSTITUTIONAL "RULES" & "REGULATIONS"? What about the food you grow in your property? Does it belong to the government or does it belong to you? What about the improvements you put in your property? Does it belong to the government or you?
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  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/07/30 12:58:44
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    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
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    This clown was cited and jailed for building 3 massive reservoirs on his property without the proper permits. Harrington stored and used water illegally by placing dams across channels on his property and preventing the flow of water out of these artificial reservoirs without obtaining a water right permit. The height of each dam varies; two dams stand about ten feet tall and the third stands about 20 feet tall. The total amount of water collected behind these dams totals about 40 acre feet; enough to fill almost 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools. These man-made reservoirs feature boat docks, boats, and were stocked by Harrington with trout and Bluegill for recreational fishing.
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  • Boo 2012/08/27 21:21:02
    YES! it belongs to you and the government has no rights to anything in your p...
    Boo
    +1
    The Oregon state government is looney toons. How long before the libtards who elected them wake up? Hopefully by November!

    If I own the property and God blesses me with rain, it's mine! Next they will want to tax the air we breath, or make breathing illegal.
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  • flaca BN-0 2012/08/27 03:50:01
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    flaca BN-0
    Let's say a small river runs through your land and you decide to redirect it and dam it to create a lake (you might have thousands of acres). That might cause problems. OK the scale is different, but the premise is pretty much the same.
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  • GINGERB... flaca BN-0 2012/08/27 14:24:10
    GINGERBREAD
    +1
    We are talking about the RAIN that has fallen on his land. According to the Oregon government, that "RAIN" belongs to the government. What about the food that he grows on his land, does that belong to the government also? And don't forget the air that is in his property? Yeah, instead of letting it run off, he collected the rain, so that he can use it to improve his property.
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  • mike j 2012/08/27 02:27:48
    NO! The government owns everything. It owns you, your children and everything...
    mike j
    +1
    Folks be realistic with yourselves , unless you get your state legislatures to change the law, the property you reside on , even if you have paid off all legal debts to the bank , and any leins and the debts against the property are clear , Then remember all you have done is pay for the improvements to the land , the land was never yours at all , if you dont think so then just dont pay your Property Taxes and see who comes to move you off of that property ,Property taxes are the rent you will pay forever without end to the Government.And the real owner of the real estate will tell the Stakeholder what he can and cannot do on the Governments property. Remember folks unless you can get the law to change , the best you can say that you are is a Stakeholder on that property. Folks I suggest if you are not a property Stakeholder now , then just settle for renting , you can always move and that is one tax that you will not be liable for and you will not suffer the problems of Stakeholding and being in a poor negociating position because the Government is the land owner and never the Stakeholder.
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  • abubincrazy 2012/07/30 18:44:23
    YES! it belongs to you and the government has no rights to anything in your p...
    abubincrazy
    +3
    Private property rights are the foundation of a free society.
    It seems ALL levels of government have been greatly abusing their power lately.
    Anyway, Oregon needs a serious bitch-slapping.
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  • Swampdog 2012/07/30 18:30:19
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    Swampdog
    +3
    Who owns the air you breath? When you "buy" property in the U.S. you never really own that property, what you do is purchase the right to pay taxes on that property. If you think you own the property, stop paying taxes on it and see how fast the government sells "your" land for back taxes!
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  • Nonpart... Swampdog 2012/07/30 18:38:08
    Nonpartisan
    +1
    Exactly the point that my Campaign has been making for over 50 years. Property Taxes are an obsolete and incorrect way to pay for anything, much less our schools.

    http://www.myspace.com/dwight...
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  • Swampdog Nonpart... 2012/07/30 18:40:32
    Swampdog
    I agree.
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  • GINGERB... Nonpart... 2012/07/30 18:45:14
    GINGERBREAD
    Again, who caused all of these problems? Yep, the US voters. How do we fix it? Elect people that will listen to us, instead of just making rules of the least resistance.
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  • abubinc... Nonpart... 2012/07/30 20:13:41
    abubincrazy
    In places like Pa, where they tax your taxes, there is an actual "school tax".
    Regardless of whether you have children or own property, you pay.
    Bad idea.
    What's yours?
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  • Nonpart... abubinc... 2012/07/31 15:11:24
    Nonpartisan
    +1
    According to my Economics Professor at the University all taxes should be "real time" and paid only when there is a transaction in which value is exchanged for value. That is the basis of my proposal for real tax reform. When it is implemented at the State level it would eliminate large amounts of wasteful bureaucracy and pay for everything that is being paid for now. Yes it would also pay for schools even though some people do not have children, which is being done now in various ways anyway. A large part of the dilemma of paying for schools and other Government services by guessing how much property is worth and taxing the owner on that value is well illustrated in the current economy where school systems and communities are going bankrupt due to declining property values and declining property tax revenues.

    Why should I have to pay the Government based on their guess about something that I own? It might have made sense in Colonial America when they had no other logical way to pay for Government services. It has not made sense in over a century, and if I make a mistake and miss a tax payment the Government confiscates my property and sells it to the lowest bidder, yes I have seen valuable property sold for next to nothing and the "owner" is kicked out without any recourse.

    If...

    According to my Economics Professor at the University all taxes should be "real time" and paid only when there is a transaction in which value is exchanged for value. That is the basis of my proposal for real tax reform. When it is implemented at the State level it would eliminate large amounts of wasteful bureaucracy and pay for everything that is being paid for now. Yes it would also pay for schools even though some people do not have children, which is being done now in various ways anyway. A large part of the dilemma of paying for schools and other Government services by guessing how much property is worth and taxing the owner on that value is well illustrated in the current economy where school systems and communities are going bankrupt due to declining property values and declining property tax revenues.

    Why should I have to pay the Government based on their guess about something that I own? It might have made sense in Colonial America when they had no other logical way to pay for Government services. It has not made sense in over a century, and if I make a mistake and miss a tax payment the Government confiscates my property and sells it to the lowest bidder, yes I have seen valuable property sold for next to nothing and the "owner" is kicked out without any recourse.

    If you want to know about my proposal for Real Tax Reform it can be found in my Blog on Taxes on MySpace at the following address:

    http://www.myspace.com/dwight...
    (more)
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  • abubinc... Nonpart... 2012/08/01 01:45:52
    abubincrazy
    I assume you have heard of it, and I know the odds are long to get government influence-peddlers to implement it, but check out Fairtax.org.
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  • Nonpart... abubinc... 2012/08/01 14:01:51
    Nonpartisan
    If you have read my Blog you would know that real Economists would never support a ridiculous plan which unfairly taxes everyone except the very poor and the very rich as does the so called "fairtax".
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  • abubinc... Nonpart... 2012/08/02 03:37:35
    abubincrazy
    +1
    I haven't read your blog.
    The Fairtax taxes everyone based on their spending. The very poor spend little, and the very rich tend to spend more.
    Economists helped develop it.
    The BEST part is, government couldn't pimp tax law to peddle influence.
    The People would be hugely empowered, and every business on Earth would want to be based in America.
    Our economy would explode.(in a very good way)
    You should consult someone else's blog.
    Fairtax.org
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  • GINGERB... Nonpart... 2012/08/27 03:26:14
    GINGERBREAD
    You know what will get these politicians off our backs? Make the payment of taxes one week before we elect them in November. I'm willing to bet that these politicians would be singing a different tune.
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  • GINGERB... Swampdog 2012/07/30 18:42:18
    GINGERBREAD
    Again, who caused these problems? The politicians? Nope, because the politicians will do what we allow them to get away with. These problems were caused by US, the voters. We keep re-electing these politicians without realising that they are there mainly to screw us. When we demand from our politicians our freedoms, they will listen to us or they won't have a job.
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  • Swampdog GINGERB... 2012/07/30 19:57:03
    Swampdog
    I never remember voting to raise my taxes, or put my social security in the general fund,or taking $5 trillion to waste on government bail outs for auto unions, or countless other crap our elected officials have done.
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  • GINGERB... Swampdog 2012/07/31 00:19:46
    GINGERBREAD
    +1
    Do you really believe these pussyfied politicians in Washington give a rats ass what you think? The only time that the pretend to kiss our asses is during election time. After that, we are screwed again and again, until the next election time runs around.
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  • Swampdog GINGERB... 2012/07/31 01:02:10
    Swampdog
    When a freshman congressman gets to D.C. they are still idealistic, however once they find out all the perks they can get they ALL become infected with the "I have to be re-elected virus".
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  • Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA 2012/07/30 18:24:30
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    Pedro Doller ~POTL-PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Oregon should spend it's efforts cleaning up radioactive debris from their beeches
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  • ~*PoliceGirl*~ (>^-^)> 2012/07/30 16:35:14
    NO! The government owns everything. It owns you, your children and everything...
    ~*PoliceGirl*~ (>^-^)>
    That's the government for you...though it should be ours
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  • Sebastianchocolatebeargiles 2012/07/30 15:52:37
    Undecided
    Sebastianchocolatebeargiles
    The current government does not own a damn thing. They don't own anything unless we give it to them. Which we nearly did... we're starting to take it back but honestly the public should really consider dropping this current system and going for one that suits everyone better. Honestly, just for me, i prefer the barter system. I give you something and you give me something in return. Everyone get's something! and i hate to say it but i don't like how addicted we are to serving these corporations who are a huge part of the problem (as far as greed and a total lack of humanity is concerned). But i must say things are changing indeed!
    A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
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  • GINGERB... Sebasti... 2012/07/30 18:37:31
    GINGERBREAD
    +2
    Sorry, but our problem is not with corporations, our problem is with the GOVERNMENT! We have allowed this government to completely run our lives, and now we are paying for it. How about this idea, have the government leave us alone. We do not need all these "RULES" & "REGULATIONS" being heap on us by unelected bureaucrats in Washington. My thoughts are that we demand our politicians to either curb all of these bureaucrats or completely do away with 3/4 of all these alphabet agencies that these people have saddled us with
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  • Sebasti... GINGERB... 2012/07/30 19:29:08
    Sebastianchocolatebeargiles
    i'll give you that. Our problems aren't with the corps. but i still don't think this old way of doing things is a good idea either.
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  • abubinc... Sebasti... 2012/07/30 20:18:38
    abubincrazy
    A corporation is any group of people who incorporate a business.
    It is intended to lower tax and personal liability.(you must know this, right?)
    Other than corporations, there are proprietorships and the government.
    That's all.
    I'll take a corporation over the government any day.
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  • Bastion abubinc... 2012/08/01 14:31:57
  • GINGERB... Bastion 2012/08/01 15:53:54
    GINGERBREAD
    Am I to understand that you would prefer the SOVIET SYSTEM? I'm assuming that you've never lived under the USSR, am I right?
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  • Bastion GINGERB... 2012/08/01 17:30:37
    Bastion
    "Am I to understand"

    No, you are not to understand.

    What you wrote has no relation to my comment whatsoever, so, apparently, you are not to understand anything.
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  • GINGERB... Bastion 2012/08/01 20:17:18
    GINGERBREAD
    We either have corporations to create jobs or government, one of the two. Since you don't like corporations, what else am I to think?
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  • Bastion GINGERB... 2012/08/01 20:24:57
    Bastion
    Perhaps if your two-sentence question started with a premise that made sense, I could answer. But your statement "We either have corporations to create jobs or government", has so much wrong with it that I don't know where to start.
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  • GINGERB... Bastion 2012/08/01 20:38:27
    GINGERBREAD
    What else is there? Big government will only lead to bigger government. With corporations, you have a choice or doing business with them or not. Let's see what biog government has given us. We have unelected bureaucrats making the "RULES" & "REGULATIONS" for us, and they have police powers. They have already sent in swat teams into business establishments and their homes. I don't see any corporations doing that. The IRS can pick and choose which people they audit. As of this writing, they have yet to audit those people in government. I don't see corporations doing that. I think I've explained myself enough
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  • Sebasti... GINGERB... 2012/08/02 00:05:56
    Sebastianchocolatebeargiles
    the thing is corporations will do whatever means necessary to get what they want.... same with the government. Power and Greed. You can play in the system and let those two be your only choices or stop plugging in and look outside the standard stream of information and make your own choices. Which is of course always within you... billions of times per second actually. lol
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  • GINGERB... Sebasti... 2012/08/02 17:04:09
    GINGERBREAD
    +2
    millions of people every day get into the action, by starting their own business. That's called "FREE ENTERPRISE". What is demolishing the "FREE ENTERPRISE" system are the "RULES" & "REGULATIONS" being put on by these unelected bureaucrats. In MY perfect world, I would eliminate 3/4 of all these alphabet government agencies. It will not only save one hell of a lot of tax money, we would be free-er.
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  • Bastion 2012/07/30 14:57:43
    Undecided
    Bastion
    +3
    Is it worse for a local government to preserve a common resource for all, or for a corporate entity like Pepsi to be allowed to bottle and sell the same scarce common resource out of the Great Lakes water table?
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  • abubinc... Bastion 2012/07/30 20:22:39
    abubincrazy
    PEPSI! PEPSI! PEPSI!
    You are quite the collectivist, aren't you? borg
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  • Bastion abubinc... 2012/08/01 14:24:24
    Bastion
    No, I'm a Magna Carta / Bill of Rights SubLibertarian, who believes in evil.

    What's with the "pepsi pepsi" thing? Are you a corporate apologist? In case you didn't know, water is not a commodity, it's a common resource, gauranteed by the Magna Carta to be owned by ALL the people, not some corporate entity.
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  • Nonpartisan 2012/07/30 14:54:16
    Undecided
    Nonpartisan
    +2
    Draining wetlands that previously existed or building new wetlands are something that many local state and federal laws deal with for good and practical reasons. As I understand it he was doing much more than just collecting rain water, he was making massive ponds which did not previously exist, something for which permits are generally required.

    My Campaign has always supported the elimination of property taxes (an obsolete form of renting the property which you own from the Government) as a means of financing anything, however that is a separate, and unrelated, issue.

    http://www.myspace.com/dwight...
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  • Vijay Pawar 2012/07/30 14:41:06
    NO! The government owns everything. It owns you, your children and everything...
    Vijay Pawar
    This is the way it is normally said these days..... may it be any state in the world.... the ownership of your land is also a few meter's in the land..... then it's all GOVT.... that's why we have to take permission for digging while building tall building's.....
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  • JMCC 2012/07/30 13:35:53
    Undecided
    JMCC
    +2
    I have never seen an American property deed, but given that the laws of the US are broadly based on those of the UK I cannot believe that they are too dissimilar.

    It is a common myth in the UK that when you own a property freehold then it is entirely yours, when the truth is that it is only yours to do with as long as the Queen and her government permit you ownership. At any time, should it feel needed, the deed can be revoked and ownership devolve back to the power that be, the only provision being that the government must recompense any investment that has been made into the property in question.

    At no time in history have water rights been included in the deed of property (although there have been many court cases attempting to make them so) as water is so essential to life that special laws were set up a very long time ago to ensure that nobody but the government could control access to it. This was put into place to ensure that a person could not divert or otherwise deny water to neighbours further downstream.
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  • FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/07/30 12:58:44
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    FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX
    +4
    This clown was cited and jailed for building 3 massive reservoirs on his property without the proper permits. Harrington stored and used water illegally by placing dams across channels on his property and preventing the flow of water out of these artificial reservoirs without obtaining a water right permit. The height of each dam varies; two dams stand about ten feet tall and the third stands about 20 feet tall. The total amount of water collected behind these dams totals about 40 acre feet; enough to fill almost 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools. These man-made reservoirs feature boat docks, boats, and were stocked by Harrington with trout and Bluegill for recreational fishing.
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