Quantcast

GOP convention gets rowdy in rift over Ron Paul:Split in GOP ahead ?

Jeff King 2012/08/29 03:18:21
ron paul
GOP to stay intact
Undecided
You!
Add Photos & Videos
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-convention-gets-rowdy-rift-over-ron...
  • Convention in Tampa, Fla., on Tuesday, Aug. 28, 2012. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)


TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Feeling slighted, supporters of Texas Rep. Ron Paul's presidential bid chanted and booed Tuesday after Republican convention delegates adopted new rules that could impede insurgent candidates in the future.

The brief uproar was a rare unscripted moment in a carefully-choreographed convention that organizers hoped would showcase Republican harmony over nominee Mitt Romney. After the voice vote on the rules, the next speaker was quickly called in an attempt to limiting the amount of time Paul's supporters had to chant "Shame on you."

The rules are designed to limit the ability of insurgent presidential candidates to amass delegates to future Republican conventions. They will bind delegates to the outcome of presidential primaries and caucuses, preventing a candidate like Paul from pushing up their delegate counts at state conventions.

Paul delegates saw them as a power play by the Republican old guard.

"If you're trying to win a presidential campaign and put on a show, you shouldn't poke a sharp stick in the eye of conservative activists. That's what happened," said Colorado delegate Dudley Brown, who leads a gun rights organization back home.

Paul didn't win a single presidential primary but he got 190 delegate votes during the roll call of states that officially nominated Romney Tuesday. Romney got 2,061.

Paul briefly showed up on the convention floor, signing autographs and posing for photos. As he left the arena, he declined to say if he felt his delegates were being treated unfairly. "I'll let you know when it's over," he said.

Paul later said in a broadcast interview that he has no plans to endorse anyone for president.

"I am endorsing, you know, peace and prosperity and individual liberty, the Constitution, and I'm more intense on that than I am on the politics of it," Paul told Fox News.

Supporters of the new rules say voters expect the delegate count to reflect the outcome of state primaries and caucuses. The convention's rules committee made some late revisions to the new rules to placate party activists who weren't necessarily Paul backers.

The new rules originally allowed presidential candidates to choose which delegates would represent them at the convention — taking that power from state parties. However, in a concession to local activists, party leaders agreed to remove the language. Instead, the rules say that delegates who support candidates other than the one they are obligated to support shall have their votes deemed "null and void."

"These rules will provide a strong governing framework for our convention and for our party," said former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, who headed the rules committee.

Mississippi Republican National Committeeman Henry Barbour said delegates shouldn't let a fight over rules distract from the goal of beating Democratic President Barack Obama.

"None of us want a campaign overreaching," Barbour said. "We want bound delegates to live up to their commitment."GOP convention gets rowdy in rift over Ron Paul Split in GOP ahead

Add a comment above

Top Opinion

Sort By
  • Most Raves
  • Least Raves
  • Oldest
  • Newest
Opinions

  • Prairie Wind 2012/08/30 02:07:00
    GOP to stay intact
    Prairie Wind
    +1
    Paul fizzled. He couldn't sell himself and this Republic didn't choose him. At a minimum, shelf the ego, retire gracefully. He's fed his District well, but beyond there, he's a Volt.
  • LibertyCaroline 2012/08/29 15:25:16
    ron paul
    LibertyCaroline
  • Cat 2012/08/29 08:52:11
    GOP to stay intact
    Cat
    +1
    Republicans and Libertarians are different and each have their own party.
    Ron Paul entered the race as a member and candidate of the wrong party.
    Just like that, the Democrats need to kick the socialists out of their party. or change the name to Social Democrat or Communist, and let the few old line Democrats start a new Democratic Party.
  • historian 2012/08/29 08:09:45 (edited)
    ron paul
    historian
    +3
    The GOP is disintegrating. The primary substance of the party is made up of Neocons and oblivious default voters. If the dictatorial behavior of Romney's campaign and the RNC are any indication of a Presidency under him, it would be exchanging one despot for another.
  • TheTruth1313 2012/08/29 06:30:31
    GOP to stay intact
    TheTruth1313
    +1
    The most important issue is getting the lying socialist traitor Obama out of the White house. We must remain unified for that to happen.
  • moomoof 2012/08/29 06:06:53
    Undecided
    moomoof
    +1
    I saw how they booed a puerto rican congress lady for being you know not "merican" lol serves her right for going there
  • rightside 2012/08/29 04:30:21
    GOP to stay intact
    rightside
    +1
    Just shows you that you can disagree and still get along.
    Romney will win and everything will start working for the good of the country.
  • ConLibFraud 2012/08/29 04:09:37
    ron paul
    ConLibFraud
    +4
    The GOP neocons deserve 4 more years of Ofraud on their way to the fema camps.
  • Kane Fernau 2012/08/29 04:09:30
    GOP to stay intact
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    Getting less than 10% of the delegates doesn't win the nomination. Hell, Santorum and Gingrich had more delegates than Ron. Sore LOSERS!
  • Jackie G - Poker Playing Pa... 2012/08/29 04:01:26
    GOP to stay intact
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +2
    Ron Paul need a secure ward - he and his minions moved in very unethical ways circumventing the vote of the people - it did not work - he lost, he was not cheated, the people rejected him overwhelmingly - he got the same percentage of votes over the past 13 years - the people spoke and he lost, HE LOST. Time to move along
  • gregaj7 2012/08/29 04:00:54 (edited)
    ron paul
    gregaj7
    +7
    The rule changes are a direct effort to remove critical thinking and make the party much more top-down control than it already is. The effort makes official and memorializes what's already taken place against Ron Paul. To me, this means the death of the Republican party, and it is extremely well-deserved!

    For me, both main parties can totally rot in the Lake of Fire (Hell). I've Lawfully changed jurisdictions without physically moving.
  • Gracie - Proud Conservative 2012/08/29 03:53:07
    GOP to stay intact
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +1
    Sour grapes by people who just refuse to lose. I've been told over and over on here that Ron Paul would be the nominee although he didn't win a state. I saw where delegates for Ron Paul were taking seats that belonged to Romney. If Ron Paul doesn't want to be a Republican, go be an Independent.
  • Dan ☮ R... Gracie ... 2012/08/29 04:01:15
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    The only sour grapes here are those that changed the rules to favor Romney. Also Ron Paul won several states, and had the majority of delegates in over a dozen states. That was until the GOP decided they would cheat, change the rules, and just simply refuse to seat delegates chosen by the people.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:04:47
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    The people voted and he lost, his unethical play did not work - He lost. just that simple
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 04:08:43 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    Unethical play? Hypocrite. If you want to call playing by the rules unethical, but changing them to fit your candidate ethical, then you are nothing buy a hypocrite.

    But I suppose "anything to win" is fine, but only if its your candidate.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:21:02
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    UNETHICAL let me say that one more time, TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY UNETHICAL. No honest person would ever use the rules to void the peoples vote - ethics are doing what is right, not what you can get away with. He and his minions did what they could get away with - they voided the peoples will, they ignored the people and they took pride in doing it. UNETHICAL is the kindest word I can think of for this disgusting un-American behavior.

    Hypocrite - yes, Ron Paul is a hypocrite of the worst kind; wraps himself in the Constitution while voiding the peoples vote. He can sink no lower. My only concern is that he has managed to dirty his son with his hypocritical behavior - Rand seems to have a good head on his shoulders at this point.
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 04:23:15
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    So its not unethical to change the rules and silence the voice of the people?
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:25:49
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    They secured the voice of the people -- the people who voted and had the right to expect that their votes would be honored. Thank God, I was worried that they would try to placate Paul and ignore the voters themselves. They did not, to their credit.

    Later, this is tiresome, Paul lost and we can thank God
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 04:28:01
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    So in other words, its fine to break the rules in favor of the fake rigged strawpolls, and ignore the results of the 100% open and honest conventions?
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:39:47
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +1
    You will not sell me on ignoring the vote of the people - not now and not ever.

    Just stop, you are defending the indefensible.
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 04:42:57
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    Youre defending numbers counted behind closed doors, many which were clearly fraudulent. They couldnt even count right in Iowa (yeah, who was the real winner there anyway? First Romney, then Santorum then... It just keeps on changing), and in Maine they kept the details on the tallies completely secret and only gave out a final tally with only 84% and Paul and Romney neck and neck.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:57:23
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    Live in that fantasy land if you chose to - he lost, just that simple. There was not a snowballs chance in hell he would ever win - that is fact. You can pretend, you can whine, you can even believe that he was robbed - fact is, he was rejected . Nothing more than that.

    Give it up, it just looks foolish now
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 05:37:57
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +3
    The only thing foolish is to deny the truth. To believe that this rigged system will give us any favorable results.

    Also I'm not about to just back down to someone that has constantly lied to me about romney's stances, even claiming he would support auditing the fed when he's never taken such a position. You're in no position to say anyone is in a fantasy land.
  • historian Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 08:14:08
    historian
    +3
    These people are traitors that want to exchange one dictator for another. They are the destroyers of this nation, and we will all suffer for their ignorance.
  • Jackie ... historian 2012/08/29 12:57:37
  • historian Jackie ... 2012/08/29 16:21:38
    historian
    +1
    I'll "can the drama" when you traitors stop canning the Republic. Hypocrites.
  • Liberty... historian 2012/08/29 15:28:12
    LibertyCaroline
    +1
    I agree.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 13:01:47
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    No I have not, your last stand; the personal attack on those that disagree with you. Rather like the Ozombies don't you think.

    It is indeed a fantasy to think he could ever have won, he could not. He has been rejected by the voters for 13 years at this level. He lost, it is over for him and it was over when he started; there was no doubt.

    Now, stop just stop - it is over for Paul. There is no reason for this at all, none. Have a good day
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 19:49:46
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Nope. Obama zombies simply defend Obama and attack republicans for the exact same stances, like how they attacked Bush for the war, tarp and so on, but they will defend Obama on those stances. Just like how you defend Romney on every stance in which he is similar, like the NDAA, Patriot Act, TARP, Gun control and so on. You even go as far as to flat out lie to defend Romney.

    Rejected by voters? Or simply rejected by an establishment that changes rules and procedures in reaction to overwhelming popularity to a candidate in order to rig the election against him? Considering the fact that Even Iowa had its rules changed from the most open and honest of all caucuses to counting everything in secret, and all of this while Republicans heads were exploding in fear of a Paul victory inclines me to believe the later.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 20:40:48
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    He won not one single state - that is rejection by the voters by any standard

    Done with this nonsense
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 22:04:05 (edited)
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    According to the straw polls counted in secret.

    He won open and honest conventions.

    Open and honest conventions are a more reliable indicator of the will of the people as the votes cant be manipulated.

    As Stalin said " those that cast the vote decide nothing. Those that count the votes decide everything". The GOP proved that.
  • Jackie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 22:11:24
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    He won nothing, not a single state anywhere in the nation.

    and you can continue to believe this crap but he is a loser.
  • Dan ☮ R... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 22:28:56
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +1
    Stop lying. You've been shown the proof a million times.
  • Gracie ... Jackie ... 2012/08/29 04:10:21
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +3
    Thank you, Jackie! I saw Ron Paul delegates that should have belonged to Romney. They say the GOP cheated but in fact, they cheated and they know it! If Ron Paul doesn't want to be a Republican, go it alone!
  • Dan ☮ R... Gracie ... 2012/08/29 04:16:13
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    In 2008 the RNC legal council stated that no delegates are bound. None belonged to Romney.
  • Gracie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:17:55
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    So, you guys jumped on that and stole delegates because of that technicality? You find that ethical?
  • Dan ☮ R... Gracie ... 2012/08/29 04:20:55
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +5
    That is not a technicality. Those are the rules. The same rules the GOP wont follow.

    Now why should I vote for a party that violates its own rules? Why should I vote for a candidate who's campaign actively worked to oust delegates? why should I vote for a party that has no respect for what the voters have to say?
  • Gracie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:22:56
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    You'd be freaking out if some candidate with such a low amount of the vote tried to take the majority of the delegates. Try being HONEST instead of so loyal!
  • Dan ☮ R... Gracie ... 2012/08/29 04:29:56
    Dan ☮ R P ☮ 2012 ☮
    +4
    I am being honest. The GOP isnt when they hide the details of the caucuses and primaries, and wont let the precincts even double check the tallies.
  • Gracie ... Dan ☮ R... 2012/08/29 04:34:06
    Gracie - Proud Conservative
    +2
    You guys congregated at the caucuses because they didn't go by votes! 10% Dan, maybe they were wrong? Newt Gingrich got more votes than Ron Paul and he's not being a sore loser!

See Votes by State

The map above displays the winning answer by region.

News & Politics

2013/05/25 02:46:20

Hot Questions on SodaHead
More Hot Questions

More Community More Originals