Even if people don't believe in God, there cannot be any sane person that can't say that the 10 commandments are bad.
Even if you don't believe in God, you have to have morals. Having morals is how we treat each other and raise families.
Even if you don't believe in God, you should be happy that some do.
God and Country and the Tea Party
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The New Jersey Tea Party Caucus will break new ground this Saturday. They will host what they hope to make an annual event: the God and Country Conference.
In the American War for Independence, American ministers carried muskets side-by-side with other Patriots. People called them "The Black Regiment." Make that the black-robed regiment. Says Chuck Baldwin:
In the American War for Independence, American ministers carried muskets side-by-side with other Patriots. People called them "The Black Regiment." Make that the black-robed regiment. Says Chuck Baldwin:
As a "regiment", they never once drilled together, yet the strategic impact of their highly disciplined attacks was overwhelming. As a unit, they never fought together on a particular field of battle, yet without question, their leadership provided the spark which ignited victory after victory.Today it's time for this Black Regiment to come back. The Tea Party calls on pastors everywhere to lay aside such notions of "pacifism" and "social justice" and get back to what the Bible really says about liberty. Before we all lose it.
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rightside 2012/09/27 15:21:36
Thanks for the post.......You rock!
A Republican (not the political party) form of government means that the people are self-governing. Two hundred years ago, the idea that a people could govern themselves was a novelty. For freedom to be sustained, the masses had to be willing to act morally and lawfully by their own volition or else society would crumble from within.
Isn't that is what is happening? We have sown the wind and we are now reaping the whirlwind. The more lawless and corrupt we become as a people, the more regulations and laws roll out of Washington. You can't legislate morality. We either are or are not a moral people. I say we aren't anymore. And we can thank the hand-wringing do-gooders who scream separation of state and religion.
Though I respect your heart, and agree with what you meant, Jerry.
Science is god, not god.
Which is why he not represented correctly in the evil book known as the Bible.
http://www.teapartypac.org/
Christian churches and the one God of the universe ... obviously. I'd call it a nice try but it wasn't really.
The Christian religion as we know it today is a mixture of Jewish and Pagan faiths so the answer to your question is yes that is what they are doing. They just do not realize it.
Step back and look at the whole. That's far more difficult. There were so many more FFs than the few you wierdos always resort to describe the definitive political landscape of the day. Thank you for your 'wisdom' and insight regarding your interpretation of the origins of Christianity. I've 'never' heard that before!
The answer is no ... that's not what they are doing. Any three-toed mongoloid with a double lobotomy ought to be able to see that plainly. Apparently you cannot.
"Step back and look at the whole."
When you step back and look at the whole it is more preposterous then when you take individual stories or books.
I was Christian for over three decades and it was careful and thorough studies that caused me to become Deist, not Atheist.
If you don't know that the God referred to in our Declaration and any subsequent associations is the God of the Israelites, you're either in denial, or are looking for a soapbox to advance some hodgepodge of blabbering you've cooked up.
Either way ... it will never serve to dissuade people of the vitality of Christ. It looks weak and hollow ... unlike Christ.
"Laws of Nature and of NATURE'S God" It does not say the God of Israel and the terms used come from the Deistic belief system.
"A phrase, associated with Deism, that is used in the United States Declaration of Independence: "...the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."
Five of the first seven Presidents were Deists as well as Free Masons. Thomas Paine, which had a major influence in the founding of our nation was a Deist. The God of Israel is just that, the God of Israel. But I will admit that people such as yourself and David Barton do a heck of a job trying to get people to believe otherwise. Unfortunately facts tell a different story.
This is not kosher according to the Christian Doctrines.
Always mad that God is loved, honored and obeyed like your puddle of mud never will be. In order to establish your doctrines across any nation you need to line up dissenters and slaughter them.
I am not mad and I am not spamming you with lots of graphics, just enough to demonstrate facts. If you want to believe in the tooth fairy, Big bad wolf or that the grass is blue and the sky is green, that is fine. But I will reserve the right to demonstrate that you are mistaken.
Any time one of you fools starts with the fable comparisons, you know you're f**ked, right? You just can't bring yourselves to acknowledge the truly massive and incredible advances made by simply getting government out of the way of society and letting our Christian vibe roll.
Christians made this country and that is indisputable. You're so easily taken. Not much of a scholar at all. I bet you're young. You seem unseasoned and raw.
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Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence
Religious Affiliation --- # of signers --- % of signers
Episcopalian/Anglican --- 32 --- 57.1%
Congregationalist --- 13 --- 23.2%
Presbyterian --- 12 --- 21.4%
Quaker --- 2 --- 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist --- 2 --- 3.6%
Catholic --- 1 --- 1.8%
~~~~~ TOTAL 56 --- 100% ~~~~~
~ Name of Signer - State - Religious Affiliation ~
Charles Carroll - Maryland - Catholic
Samuel Huntington - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Roger Sherman - Connecticut - Congregationalist
William Williams - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Lyman Hall - Georgia - Congregationalist
Samuel Adams - Massachusetts - Congregationalist
J...
Any time one of you fools starts with the fable comparisons, you know you're f**ked, right? You just can't bring yourselves to acknowledge the truly massive and incredible advances made by simply getting government out of the way of society and letting our Christian vibe roll.
Christians made this country and that is indisputable. You're so easily taken. Not much of a scholar at all. I bet you're young. You seem unseasoned and raw.
--- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---
Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence
Religious Affiliation --- # of signers --- % of signers
Episcopalian/Anglican --- 32 --- 57.1%
Congregationalist --- 13 --- 23.2%
Presbyterian --- 12 --- 21.4%
Quaker --- 2 --- 3.6%
Unitarian or Universalist --- 2 --- 3.6%
Catholic --- 1 --- 1.8%
~~~~~ TOTAL 56 --- 100% ~~~~~
~ Name of Signer - State - Religious Affiliation ~
Charles Carroll - Maryland - Catholic
Samuel Huntington - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Roger Sherman - Connecticut - Congregationalist
William Williams - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Oliver Wolcott - Connecticut - Congregationalist
Lyman Hall - Georgia - Congregationalist
Samuel Adams - Massachusetts - Congregationalist
John Hancock - Massachusetts - Congregationalist
Josiah Bartlett - New Hampshire - Congregationalist
William Whipple - New Hampshire - Congregationalist
William Ellery - Rhode Island - Congregationalist
John Adams - Massachusetts - Congregationalist; Unitarian
Robert Treat Paine - Massachusetts - Congregationalist; Unitarian
George Walton - Georgia - Episcopalian
John Penn - North Carolina - Episcopalian
George Ross - Pennsylvania - Episcopalian
Thomas Heyward Jr. - South Carolina - Episcopalian
Thomas Lynch Jr. - South Carolina - Episcopalian
Arthur Middleton - South Carolina - Episcopalian
Edward Rutledge - South Carolina - Episcopalian
Francis Lightfoot Lee - Virginia - Episcopalian
Richard Henry Lee - Virginia - Episcopalian
George Read - Delaware - Episcopalian
Caesar Rodney - Delaware - Episcopalian
Samuel Chase - Maryland - Episcopalian
William Paca - Maryland - Episcopalian
Thomas Stone - Maryland - Episcopalian
Elbridge Gerry - Massachusetts - Episcopalian
Francis Hopkinson - New Jersey - Episcopalian
Francis Lewis - New York - Episcopalian
Lewis Morris - New York - Episcopalian
William Hooper - North Carolina - Episcopalian
Robert Morris - Pennsylvania - Episcopalian
John Morton - Pennsylvania - Episcopalian
Stephen Hopkins - Rhode Island - Episcopalian
Carter Braxton - Virginia - Episcopalian
Benjamin Harrison - Virginia - Episcopalian
Thomas Nelson Jr. - Virginia - Episcopalian
George Wythe - Virginia - Episcopalian
Thomas Jefferson - Virginia - Episcopalian (Deist)
Benjamin Franklin - Pennsylvania - Episcopalian (Deist)
Button Gwinnett - Georgia - Episcopalian; Congregationalist
James Wilson - Pennsylvania - Episcopalian; Presbyterian
Joseph Hewes - North Carolina - Quaker, Episcopalian
George Clymer - Pennsylvania - Quaker, Episcopalian
Thomas McKean - Delaware - Presbyterian
Matthew Thornton - New Hampshire - Presbyterian
Abraham Clark - New Jersey - Presbyterian
John Hart - New Jersey - Presbyterian
Richard Stockton - New Jersey - Presbyterian
John Witherspoon - New Jersey - Presbyterian
William Floyd - New York - Presbyterian
Philip Livingston - New York - Presbyterian
James Smith - Pennsylvania - Presbyterian
George Taylor - Pennsylvania - Presbyterian
Benjamin Rush - Pennsylvania - Presbyterian
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You're going to find near identical distributions for the signers of the 'Constitution of the United Sates' and the signers of the 'Articles of Confederation'
Can't you see how bloody selective you are? And what a disingenuous service to truth you represent.
LMAO!!!!
"Christians made this country and that is indisputable. You're so easily taken. Not much of a scholar at all."
Easily taken? The Declaration of Independence was primarily written by Jefferson. You can see the influence of Paine in the writings and it was even stated that had it not been for the pen of Paine the sword of Washington would have been lifted in vain.
Oh, I agree there was a Christian influence present. They changed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording was, "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable." Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." But which Creator is not specified. But you can see that the Christians changed the document to support slavery and things of this nature. Something to be proud of.
"Can't you see how bloody selective you are?"
You speak of how selective I am when there are more Pagan Idols, monuments and symbolism in Washington then any ot...
LMAO!!!!
"Christians made this country and that is indisputable. You're so easily taken. Not much of a scholar at all."
Easily taken? The Declaration of Independence was primarily written by Jefferson. You can see the influence of Paine in the writings and it was even stated that had it not been for the pen of Paine the sword of Washington would have been lifted in vain.
Oh, I agree there was a Christian influence present. They changed Thomas Jefferson's words that condemned the practice of slavery in the colonies, they also altered his wording regarding equal rights. His original wording was, "All men are created equal and independent. From that equal creation they derive rights inherent and inalienable." Congress changed that phrase, increasing its religious overtones: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." But which Creator is not specified. But you can see that the Christians changed the document to support slavery and things of this nature. Something to be proud of.
"Can't you see how bloody selective you are?"
You speak of how selective I am when there are more Pagan Idols, monuments and symbolism in Washington then any other place on earth (Well the Vatican may come close? ). Then we have:
So tell me exactly what kind of Christians were they? All of these idols and monuments etc.. are forbidden in the bible. The representation of multiple gods and temples to them is forbidden in the Holy Hate manual. I guess your "Christian" Founding Fathers
were like the good little Christians in Washington today. Religious on Sunday or when necessary, FTW the rest of the week.LOL
You believe what they say they were and for many it was Christianity they claimed. I will look at what they practiced were because the evidence is undeniable.
Your photoshopped thing is intended to support what? .... a refutal of the net benefit of Chritianity to the world? I suppose your potition would be that Christianity is inherently cruel, violent and nasty? The positive advances made under the peaceful stability of Christianity would bury any net detriments.
Nice that you agree there was a Christian presence there. In fact there was an overwhelming Christian presence there. I like your insinuation tieing Christians to slavery. Quite an assumtion. You should educate yourself on how British and American Christian leaders brought an end to slavery. Your insinuation is cheap and disingenuous at best.
The rest of your post seethes with vitriol. Your logic turns absolutely idiotic ... too funny! You assert that the presence of non-Christian statues etc, illustrates Christian leadership's hypocrisy, I suppose. What you appear to be oblivious to is the clear meaning and intent of the First Ammendment. Christians were and are cool with keeping Government out of the Church. To have symbols and statues from other parts of the world doesn't lessen the overwhelming Christian impact and make-up of the FF and nearly all the lesser officials. It just means we'...
Your photoshopped thing is intended to support what? .... a refutal of the net benefit of Chritianity to the world? I suppose your potition would be that Christianity is inherently cruel, violent and nasty? The positive advances made under the peaceful stability of Christianity would bury any net detriments.
Nice that you agree there was a Christian presence there. In fact there was an overwhelming Christian presence there. I like your insinuation tieing Christians to slavery. Quite an assumtion. You should educate yourself on how British and American Christian leaders brought an end to slavery. Your insinuation is cheap and disingenuous at best.
The rest of your post seethes with vitriol. Your logic turns absolutely idiotic ... too funny! You assert that the presence of non-Christian statues etc, illustrates Christian leadership's hypocrisy, I suppose. What you appear to be oblivious to is the clear meaning and intent of the First Ammendment. Christians were and are cool with keeping Government out of the Church. To have symbols and statues from other parts of the world doesn't lessen the overwhelming Christian impact and make-up of the FF and nearly all the lesser officials. It just means we're hospitable.
You really reveal your bitter, angry atheist heart when you refer to the Bible as the holy hate manual. I think it must drive you atheists nuts when the proof of Christian influence stands bold and apparent in the vitality, power and presence of the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
You offer up the names of Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson in support of your Christian hatred. You use them to justify your own bitter bile. Do you suppose they were of the same loathing? Not at all.
They, like many Classical Liberals of the day, loved and adored Jesus Christ. Jefferson, in particular, despised the elements of perversion within the established Anglican church, the official Church of England, but adored the sublime beauty and truth of Jesus. That's a vital fact to keep in mind.
~~ " I forgot to observe, when speaking of the New Testament, that you should read all the histories of Christ, as well of those whom a council of ecclesiastics have decided for us, to be Pseudo-evangelists, as those they named Evangelists. Because these Pseudo-evangelists pretended to inspiration, as much as the others, and you are to judge their pretensions by your own reason, and not by the reason of those ecclesiastics." ~~
... Thomas Jefferson
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In writing to his friend, Charles Thomson, January 9, 1816:
~~ " I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials, which I call the ~Philosophy of Jesus~; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its author never said nor saw. ~~
... Thomas Jefferson
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In writing to John Adams, April 11, 1823:
~~ "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors. (meaning Jesus)
So much for your quotation of Calvin's `mon dieu! jusqu'a quand' in which, when addressed to the God of Jesus, and our God, I join you cordially, and await his time and will with more readiness than reluctance. May we meet there again, in Congress, with our antient Colleagues, and recieve with them the seal of approbation `Well done, good and faithful servants.' " ~~
... Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson was a Christian and knew exactly what John Adams meant when he(Adams, in his letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts) said ~"...Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge and licentiousness would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."~
It was Jefferson's as well as most Founding Fathers' desire that the American people learn and emulate the Jesus code, and not necessarily the codes of humans acting in the name of Jesus. It is the precise reason the First Ammendment was designed to bar the Federal government from ever establishing a sect or a general religion as the religion of state, but was not designed to keep the doctrines of Christ from being expressed and lived by the leaders of the people and the people themselves.
For the most part I would say no, but this only because most Christians do not have a clue what the Bible says nor do they take it seriously.
"I like your insinuation tieing Christians to slavery. "
It is not an insinuation it is fact. But slavery is found in both the Old and New Testament so the behavior was justified.
"You assert that the presence of non-Christian statues etc, illustrates Christian leadership's hypocrisy, I suppose."
This goes to prove my point. You do not understand that the Bible rails against pagan idols / statues / Gods, etc... throughout the texts. From the Ten Commandments all the way to the end of the book. These practices were forbidden and your "Christian Founding fathers" relished in these things.
"You offer up the names of Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson in support of your Christian hatred."
These fine men disregarded the vast majority of the biblical texts and completely ignored the supernatural aspects of the writings. They, just as I, saw Jesus as a MAN, that was trying to reform a pathetic, cruel religion. This is why Jefferson took a razor to the N.T. and cut out the parts he felt were real. He compiled this into a book which came to be known as the Jeff...
For the most part I would say no, but this only because most Christians do not have a clue what the Bible says nor do they take it seriously.
"I like your insinuation tieing Christians to slavery. "
It is not an insinuation it is fact. But slavery is found in both the Old and New Testament so the behavior was justified.
"You assert that the presence of non-Christian statues etc, illustrates Christian leadership's hypocrisy, I suppose."
This goes to prove my point. You do not understand that the Bible rails against pagan idols / statues / Gods, etc... throughout the texts. From the Ten Commandments all the way to the end of the book. These practices were forbidden and your "Christian Founding fathers" relished in these things.
"You offer up the names of Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson in support of your Christian hatred."
These fine men disregarded the vast majority of the biblical texts and completely ignored the supernatural aspects of the writings. They, just as I, saw Jesus as a MAN, that was trying to reform a pathetic, cruel religion. This is why Jefferson took a razor to the N.T. and cut out the parts he felt were real. He compiled this into a book which came to be known as the Jefferson Bible and it was only 46 pages in length.
"Do you suppose they were of the same loathing?"
It's probably why America is so great ... :-) Like it or not ..... it's the fact.
You have yet to admit, your focus is on spoiling, sullying, and degrading Christianity itself .... in any way you can. You should grow up. Focus on your nothingness and how it pleases you. Or offer an enlightened vision of the universe and how it works and try to persuade people to think like you. Your constant angry, puss-filled, seething fury is apparent and is ultimately more debilitating to yourself than any one else.
Be like Thomas Jeferson and adore God and Christ !
I will agree that diversity is what has made this nation great. It makes it easy to "Think outside the box" when we are not all from the same one.
"You have yet to admit, your focus is on spoiling, sullying, and degrading Christianity itself .."
No it is not Christianity per se, but all three Abrahamic Myths, I mean religions. ;-)
"Be like Thomas Jeferson and adore God and Christ !"
Oh, I adore the CREATOR and rank Jesus up there with Gandhi and a few other good men. I just wish he had written a book so we knew for certain what was on his mind.