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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/14 15:03:29
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NASA is in the news again but this time for its scientists who have
proven they have a spine. Apparently 49 NASA scientists, many of them
astronauts, have strongly objected to those who use the Agency as a
political football. Their letter to the Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.,
NASA Administrator, denouncing global warming as bad science and
excoriating NASA for propounding the idea, appears at the end of this
article.


Global warming exposed

For those who don’t know or remember, my co-editor and co-founder of Conservative News and Views,
Terry Hurlbut, was the first journalist to report that the global
warming alarmists were deliberately misleading the public. Terry exposed the now famous emails that confirmed that the global warming theory was a first class scam.
Terry and those who insisted on empirical data to support the theory of
global warming have suffered much ridicule by the media elites. But now
those 49 scientists have vindicated them. In so vindicating, they have
confirmed something else that Terry found: that NASA had become America’s CRU.


The Hubert Lamb CRU headquarters, center for worldwide global warming alarmism

The
Hubert Lamb Building, headquarters of the Climatic Research Unit,
University of East Anglia, Norwich, England, UK. Photo: User
ChrisO/Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported License.


Whether or not global warming is happening, and if it is, whether
carbon dioxide emissions are causing it, is not the point of this
article. The point is that no one made non-political scientific
evaluations. Since the days of Galileo, we have known that politics and
science do not mix well. Ironically, “political scientists” have often
used the plight of Galileo to censor the quest to develop honest
scientific data that may or may not conflict with popular theories.
Nowhere is this irony more clear than in the Evolution/Creation battle.
Using Galileo as their poster boy against creation science,
evolutionists have successfully censored the contradictions to their
theory from public classrooms. They have taken this tactic so far as to
fight to keep known scientific errors in textbooks – the most notable is
Haeckels’ embryo drawings, which reputable biologists have known to be
fraudulent since the late 1800s.


As if scientific censorship isn’t bad enough, political agendas have added to this hysteria. Globalists and those trying to usher in
a New World Order have seized upon the global warming theory to propel
their hidden agendas. The most noteworthy is UN Agenda 21. If
successful, Agenda 21 will swallow up our national sovereignty and
subject us to a one world order – all in the name of sustaining the
environment and protecting it from global warming.


The Letter

Don’t take my word for it, read the letter below and draw your own conclusions.


March 28, 2012


The Honorable Charles Bolden, Jr.

NASA Administrator

NASA Headquarters

Washington, D.C. 20546-0001


Dear Charlie,


We, the undersigned, respectfully request that NASA and the Goddard
Institute for Space Studies (GISS) refrain from including unproven
remarks in public releases and websites. We believe the claims by NASA
and GISS, that man-made carbon dioxide is having a catastrophic impact
on global climate change are not substantiated, especially when
considering thousands of years of empirical data. With hundreds of
well-known climate scientists and tens of thousands of other scientists
publicly declaring their disbelief in the catastrophic forecasts, coming
particularly from the GISS leadership, it is clear that the science is
NOT settled.


The unbridled advocacy of CO2 being the major cause of climate change
is unbecoming of NASA’s history of making an objective assessment of
all available scientific data prior to making decisions or public
statements.


As former NASA employees, we feel that NASA’s advocacy of an extreme
position, prior to a thorough study of the possible overwhelming impact
of natural climate drivers is inappropriate. We request that NASA
refrain from including unproven and unsupported remarks in its future
releases and websites on this subject. At risk is damage to the
exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and
employees, and even the reputation of science itself.


For additional information regarding the science behind our concern,
we recommend that you contact Harrison Schmitt or Walter Cunningham, or
others they can recommend to you.


Thank you for considering this request.


Sincerely,


(Attached signatures)

CC: Mr. John Grunsfeld, Associate Administrator for Science


CC: Mr. Chris Scolese, Director, Goddard Space Flight Center


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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/04/14 15:13:40
    Scam
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +14
    That "journalist" who "exposed the now-famous e-mails that confirmed that the global warming theory was a first-class scam" was *I*. I broke this on November 19, 2009. Google News indexed it, and it rocketed to the top. And then the page views rolled in and didn't stop rolling in. 35,000 views later, Phil Jones ("I just completed Mike's Nature trick of grafting the real-time temps onto the proxy series to hide the decline") had admitted that he'd been caught, and he was on his way out. Next month, the Copenhagen Confab ended in total, abject failure.

    But Jim Hansen at NASA couldn't leave it alone. So now 49 astronauts and other scientists have written in. Their message is plain: "KNOCK IT OFF!"

    And those global warming alarmists are such hypocrites. And fools, too. Why hold a conference in Copenhagen, in that snowy weather? And why rent out every chauffeured limousine on the entire continent, and whisk in there with 1400 business jets? This from the sort of people who want to meter your WATER in your HOTEL to save energy!

    If that were my conference, I'd book it in Tel Aviv, which is as close to an aviation centroid of the world as you can get. Then I would tell people to get to the nearest airport served by El Al, by train or bus or minivan, and then fly El Al, by special c...



    That "journalist" who "exposed the now-famous e-mails that confirmed that the global warming theory was a first-class scam" was *I*. I broke this on November 19, 2009. Google News indexed it, and it rocketed to the top. And then the page views rolled in and didn't stop rolling in. 35,000 views later, Phil Jones ("I just completed Mike's Nature trick of grafting the real-time temps onto the proxy series to hide the decline") had admitted that he'd been caught, and he was on his way out. Next month, the Copenhagen Confab ended in total, abject failure.

    But Jim Hansen at NASA couldn't leave it alone. So now 49 astronauts and other scientists have written in. Their message is plain: "KNOCK IT OFF!"

    And those global warming alarmists are such hypocrites. And fools, too. Why hold a conference in Copenhagen, in that snowy weather? And why rent out every chauffeured limousine on the entire continent, and whisk in there with 1400 business jets? This from the sort of people who want to meter your WATER in your HOTEL to save energy!

    If that were my conference, I'd book it in Tel Aviv, which is as close to an aviation centroid of the world as you can get. Then I would tell people to get to the nearest airport served by El Al, by train or bus or minivan, and then fly El Al, by special charter if we have to, instead of buzzing in with all those corporate jets. And once they'd landed, I'd have buses waiting for them to take them to their hotels. I've been there. It would be the perfect place. You could even ask the Israelis, who live with drought nine months out of every twelve, what it's like, and how they cope.

    But NO-OOOO. You saw what they did instead. And even then, why didn't they lay on some special trains to take the conferees to downtown Copenhagen? And in a city that means "bicycles," why didn't they arrange bicycle tours of Copenhagen? The fact of the matter is that that conference had the biggest carbon footprint that they could possibly have had, in direct contradiction to their stated object.

    But we know what their real object is: control. And that means "Do as we say, not as we do." The conference blew up after the Chinese didn't get a big enough bribe.
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  • Tombo 2014/01/24 18:50:24
    Scam
    Tombo
    +1
    Scam but Al Gore's 200 Million is real.

  • DoxieDad 2012/04/22 14:22:36
    Undecided
    DoxieDad
    +2
    Well, it is a fact that the earth is warming but a scam that man is the cause of it.
    Please don't hit me with the UN/International study that has been proven to have been played with and the numbers a skewed to prove a mindset not a fact.
  • PeaceLoveHappiness 2012/04/21 22:22:34
    Undecided
    PeaceLoveHappiness
    +2
    Not enough information to determine if it is caused by mankind or just another life cycle in the earth's biosphere.
  • Rich 2012/04/21 00:19:31
    Real and world-threatening
    Rich
    +1
    I cannot believe "scam" is well out in front. Another blow struck against science.
  • trentinafur 2012/04/20 23:03:42
    Real and world-threatening
    trentinafur
    +1
    It ain't old age or embarrassment that's causing polar ice caps to visibly shrink over the past 30 years:

    Ice cap shrinkage

    http://globalwarmingsiren.com...
  • Temlako... trentin... 2012/04/20 23:05:04
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    You forgot that the glaciers in the Himalaya chain are lengthening and enlarging.
  • trentin... Temlako... 2012/04/21 02:42:57 (edited)
    trentinafur
    +1
    Yehhh....not really skull-dude:

    "New satellite data reveals that Himalayan glaciers are melting far more SLOWLY than predicted"

    "Previously, it had been claimed that Himalayan glaciers would have melted to a fifth of current levels by 2035, leading to sea level rises and drought."

    "Those predictions used ground-based measurements, whereas the new study measured the effect of gravity on twin Nasa satellites to give an accurate measure of the mass of ice being lost.

    ‘The results in this region really were a surprise,’ said Wahr.
    ‘One possible explanation is that previous estimates were based on measurements taken primarily from some of the lower, more accessible glaciers in Asia and were extrapolated to infer the behavior of higher glaciers.'

    'But unlike the lower glaciers, many of the high glaciers would still be too cold to lose mass, even in the presence of atmospheric warming.’
    *****************
    Shouldn't someone who "claims" to have an advanced degree be just a tad better at researching - before posting such compost? Or...perhaps it was an online degree? C'mon, skeletor- - surely you can do better than that.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sc...
  • Tombo trentin... 2014/01/24 18:51:36
  • toxic_phantom 2012/04/19 23:05:44
    Real and world-threatening
    toxic_phantom
    whether its world threatening right now or not, (which it is) we need to prevent even more catastrophic problems from happening in the future while we still can.
  • Robin B 2012/04/18 16:17:23
    Scam
    Robin B
    +1
    More and more the truth is being exposed showing how the frauds screwed the "science" to prove the lies they where pushing. Where is Gore now?
  • Sam Nielsen 2012/04/18 07:39:03
  • BoJay 2012/04/18 00:59:23
    Scam
    BoJay
    +1
    Its been proven to be one the biggest Government money scams of our time, hell just ask Berry?
    Al Gore Scam SOLINDRA
  • wrwheelerjr 2012/04/17 21:41:35
    Scam
    wrwheelerjr
    +1
    Whenever government and science come together there is corruption in play. Science depends on government grants for funding and therefore are obligated to deliver the results that governments desire for justifying tax increases and enabling social engineering. That is what Global warming today and cooling in the 70s is all about. Scientist are finally getting a chance to voice the truth in spite of government strong arming.
  • Stacy F 2012/04/17 16:37:56
    Scam
    Stacy F
    +1
    Scam!

    "Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming
    By Noel Sheppard | March 02, 2007 | 10:58

    As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, there are huge dollars to be made from global warming alarmism. However, conceivably no one is better positioned to financially benefit from this scam than Dr. Global Warming himself, former Vice President Al Gore, a fact that the media will surely not share with Americans any time soon.

    Yet, if America’s press would take some time out of their busy schedules covering the earth-shattering details surrounding Anna Nicole Smith’s demise, they might find a deliciously inconvenient truth about the soon-to-be-Dr. Gore that is significantly more fascinating and diabolical than anything likely to emerge from that courtroom in Broward County, Florida.

    As reported by Dan Riehl (emphasis mine throughout):

    Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Cli...














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    Scam!

    "Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming
    By Noel Sheppard | March 02, 2007 | 10:58

    As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, there are huge dollars to be made from global warming alarmism. However, conceivably no one is better positioned to financially benefit from this scam than Dr. Global Warming himself, former Vice President Al Gore, a fact that the media will surely not share with Americans any time soon.

    Yet, if America’s press would take some time out of their busy schedules covering the earth-shattering details surrounding Anna Nicole Smith’s demise, they might find a deliciously inconvenient truth about the soon-to-be-Dr. Gore that is significantly more fascinating and diabolical than anything likely to emerge from that courtroom in Broward County, Florida.

    As reported by Dan Riehl (emphasis mine throughout):

    Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.
    Think Katie, Charlie, or Brian will be all over this tonight? Regardless, that was just the tip of the questionably melting iceberg as reported by Bill Hobbs in Nashville, Tennessee:

    [H]ow Gore buys his "carbon offsets," as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper's report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:
    Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe...
    Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.
    Fascinating. So, as Dr. Global Warming travels the world in his private jet while spending 20 times the average American on energy for his home, all the time telling us its okay because he’s buying carbon offsets, he’s actually purchasing these investments from himself.

    Furthermore, and maybe more important, Gore stands to benefit financially in a potentially huge way if more and more people buy into this junk science.

    Isn’t that special?

    Yet, it is not clear that Gore’s money is going to purchase carbon offsets at all. Riehl reported:

    Here's a list indicating what it takes to make money along with Al. Funds associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars under Al Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, Gore's selection for the US President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.
    AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO BLACKBAUD INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC - LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP - NUVEEN INVTS INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH INC - WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC
    According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy companies poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns.
    Putting this in perspective, for years the left and their media minions have posited that George W. Bush started war with Iraq to benefit the company Vice President Dick Cheney used to run, Halliburton, as well as Bush’s oil tycoon friends. In fact, there have been times when you couldn’t swing a dead cat in any pressroom in this nation without hitting a reporter working on such a story.

    Yet, as the former Vice President continues to plug global warming as a coming crisis in need of immediate attention, the same media completely ignore his obvious financial conflicts of interest.

    No liberal media bias there.

    However, as Riehl pointed out, this story is even juicier:

    To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.
    Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial, lawyer, Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign Manager for President Clinton's successful re-election in 1996, is President of Generation U.S.
    This would be him: Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide
    Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager in connection with office building development in nation's capital; such an investigation could have led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities of Knight, who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.
    Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in stock turned up in an account for Knight's then 13 year old child.
    Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary Knight, 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman in 1996, who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of Molten Metal Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father was named chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in any impropriety; photo
    Riehl accurately asked:

    If Gore's motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic, was it really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a multi-million dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of Gore and Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of the world economy at the same time they're lining their pockets because of our much smaller carbon footprints?
    Riehl marvelously concluded:

    If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his cronies are going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only green in this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore trucks around on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with misrepresented science that doesn't deserve to be called science at all.
    Meanwhile, a complacent media, rather than hounding Gore over his financial conflicts of interest, continue to shill for this conman’s junk science.

    When you add it all up, this is a flimflam of epic proportions:

    First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism
    Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population
    Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn't immediately act
    Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore's views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists
    Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore's group has already invested in
    Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens
    America -- what a country!"

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/node/1...

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  • Clyde 2012/04/17 13:53:33
    Scam
    Clyde
    +1
    The greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind and many should be locked up for a long long time.
  • Pug For Huck 2012/04/17 10:19:32
    Scam
    Pug For Huck
    +1
    To think this is a man-made event makes for interesting movies but that's it.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/04/16 19:48:56
    Undecided
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    I'm not convinced that global warming is a man made event because there is too much contrary information written both for and against it. When we thought we had hard evidence, we later learned was a fraud.

    I'm also not convinced that our scientific methods of determining the age in years of fossils, bones etc is an exact science.

    However, I'm more inclined to think of global warming as a hoax.
  • V~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/04/16 19:17:12 (edited)
    Undecided
    V~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Money is the life blood of politics. But it serves the same purpose in research. Get the "right" results and you get more grants. When people search for a cure for some terrible disease, everyone is on the same side. Getting the right result means the same thing to everyone.

    If Microsoft funds a study in search of "The Best PC Operating System", is it any surprise that the winner is Microsoft? Did anyone not know this before the first dollar was spent? If Apple funds an equivalent study at the same time and Apple wins, is anyone really surprised? Will the people conducting the research keep their jobs if they can't match their findings with the expectations of their sponsors?

    Climate research is hopelessly tainted by money on both sides. Depending on where your money comes from, the "right" results are 180 degrees apart. On one side we have governments (and the UN) drooling over carbon taxes and redistribution of wealth. On the other side we have industries that generate CO2. Follow the money behind any study on climate change and it leads back to sources that are as predictable as my example of Microsoft and Apple.

    Maybe global warming is man-made and can be controlled, maybe it isn't or it can't. Either way, expect zero cooperation from the developing world. Any C...

    Money is the life blood of politics. But it serves the same purpose in research. Get the "right" results and you get more grants. When people search for a cure for some terrible disease, everyone is on the same side. Getting the right result means the same thing to everyone.

    If Microsoft funds a study in search of "The Best PC Operating System", is it any surprise that the winner is Microsoft? Did anyone not know this before the first dollar was spent? If Apple funds an equivalent study at the same time and Apple wins, is anyone really surprised? Will the people conducting the research keep their jobs if they can't match their findings with the expectations of their sponsors?

    Climate research is hopelessly tainted by money on both sides. Depending on where your money comes from, the "right" results are 180 degrees apart. On one side we have governments (and the UN) drooling over carbon taxes and redistribution of wealth. On the other side we have industries that generate CO2. Follow the money behind any study on climate change and it leads back to sources that are as predictable as my example of Microsoft and Apple.

    Maybe global warming is man-made and can be controlled, maybe it isn't or it can't. Either way, expect zero cooperation from the developing world. Any CO2 output that is cut in the US will magically reappear somewhere else. The number one (and fastest growing) producer of CO2 is China. They are building over 50 new coal-fired electric plants every year. That's roughly one per WEEK! Does anyone really think that a government that had to impose rolling blackouts in Beijing so Olympic athletes could breathe is really interested in limiting their carbon emissions?

    I like to think that global warming is a scam. Because if it isn't, someone has to do something about China and it's just not going to happen.
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  • CHUCK 2012/04/16 18:22:52
    Undecided
    CHUCK
    +1
    REAL ,BUT THERE ARE THOSE THAT MAKE IT A SCAM..

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  • Doc 2012/04/16 16:36:32
    Scam
    Doc
    +3
    There's a couple of little tidbits that politically motivated scientists seem to neglect.
    In the middle ages, the earth was warmer than it is now.

    And one other little thing. In order to have a greenhouse effect, CO2 MUST be greater than 5% of the atmosphere. But CO2 is less than 1% of the atmosphere
  • Warren ... Doc 2012/04/16 22:31:46
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +2
    What makes you think the greenhouse effect only kicks in above 5% CO2? I'm curious where you heard this.
  • Doc Warren ... 2012/04/22 16:33:09
    Doc
    +1
    Personal studies with an enclosed evironment while I attended college. CO2 needs to be at 50K ppm.
  • Warren ... Doc 2012/04/23 19:11:13
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    Did you try to publish a paper demonstrating your findings? If so, please send me a link to these journal papers, I would be very insterested. They would pretty much overturn our entire understanding of radiation physics, never mind climate science. You would surely earn a Nobel Prize.
  • Doc Warren ... 2012/05/02 21:38:40
    Doc
    +1
    Think as you wish, since this is an opinion site.
    Belittle the truth as well. As for radiation physics, why does CO2 reflect heat onto the earth, but not back into space? Does CO2 line up in the atmosphere like little soldiers to create a one way mirror?

    CO2 is negligible when it comes to the greenhouse effect. What really causes it is water vapor. However, I'm sure you already knew that.

    :-) Have a nice day
  • Warren ... Doc 2012/05/02 22:24:40
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    OK.. Wow... Where do I start?

    1) CO2 does not reflect heat, it absorbs infrared radiation from the Earth at specific frequencies. As it absorbs infrared radiation, it gets warmer, and reemits radiation according to the Boltzmann distribution. It radiates equally in all directions. But it blocks infrared radiation from the Earth from reaching outer space, preventing Earth from cooling as effectively.



    2) Before you can say CO2 is negligible to the greenhouse effect, you need to understand what the greenhouse effect is. CO2 is transparent to solar radiation, but has a big absorption band smack in the middle of the frequency band where terrestrial objects emit. By definition, it is a greenhouse gas.

    3) H2O is a more powerful greenhouse gas because it is more plentiful, that is true. But H2O is in equilibrium in the atmosphere over a time period of weeks thanks to the hydrological cycle. CO2, on the other hand accumulates over time. The CO2 cycle involves ocean circulation and plate subduction and takes millions of years to reach equilibrium. That's why adding H2O to the atmosphere has no effect on the global climate, but adding CO2 does.

    4) Just because this is an opinion site, doesn't mean that 2+2=5 just because you like it that way.

    CO2 spectrum blackbody
  • Doc Warren ... 2012/05/07 20:45:07
    Doc
    +1
    I'm glad you didn't fall for the CO2 reflection trap.

    CO2 is not a more powerful greenhouse gas than H2O vapor.

    Have you ever done any experimentation yourself?
  • Warren ... Doc 2012/05/07 21:12:31
    Warren - Novus Ordo Seclorum
    +1
    I stated that H2O is the more powerful greenhouse gas. For those who don't understand the vastly different time scales involved with the global hydrological and carbon cycles, however, this might intuitively seem more significant than it really is.

    carbon cycle

    hydrological cycle

    I do some infrared spectroscopy as part of my job, so I am familiar with the CO2 and H2O infrared spectral bands and what happens when test chambers are not adequately purged to remove the air. So yes, I have hands on familiarity with how these gases interact with temperature and infrared radiation.
  • rikonjohn 2012/04/16 05:37:00
    Real and world-threatening
    rikonjohn
    +2
    I finally checked out the signatures attached to the letter that showed the specialties of this particular group. Many are astronauts, many are engineers specializing in structural components or propulsion, some are in logistics, materials, motion simulators, avionics, flight crew training and the like. A few are actually scientists, but I couldn't find a single one in the list that had much to do with meteorology or climactic systems.

    Oh wait! There's a meteorologist listed - at the very bottom. I almost missed him. The only one in the group who might actually know something about climate systems work and they list him at the bottom AND he's only got five years on the job.

    You'd think they could do better than that, but then if there are any climatologists working for NASA perhaps they had a reason for not including their names with this letter.
  • Doc rikonjohn 2012/04/16 16:39:43
    Doc
    +2
    That's like saying that a person without kids knows more about child-raising than an actual parent, as long as they have the degree.
    Isaac Newton, who invented the calculus, did not have a degree in math.

    By your standards, unless you have a degree in climatology or the like, you are not even qualified to comment.
  • rikonjohn Doc 2012/04/22 09:58:23
    rikonjohn
    +1
    Reply to the problem with your question. Thanks.
  • Doc rikonjohn 2012/04/22 16:35:08
    Doc
    +1
    Lol!

    Good response
  • rikonjohn Doc 2012/04/22 23:40:23
    rikonjohn
    +1
    My main point is these guys are expressing an opinion outside their area of expertise. Those climatologists working for NASA declined to put their names on that letter.

    That kind of sends a message.
  • Doc rikonjohn 2012/04/23 15:46:49
    Doc
    +1
    It would, except for one little thing. If you are a climatologist as NASA and are against the administrations plank of global warming, you'll need to get another job.


    Also,; how does Al Gore know more about this than onyone else?
  • Dan (Po... rikonjohn 2012/04/18 00:57:21
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +2
    Tell you what, you can pay carbon taxes to ALGore and the U.N. and you can ride a bicycle. The rest of us will be driving cars and always.
  • rikonjohn Dan (Po... 2012/04/22 09:58:46
    rikonjohn
    I'd rather pay carbon taxes to Verizon. Thanks.
  • Dan (Po... rikonjohn 2012/04/22 10:44:19
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    Do you ride a bicycle or drive a tiny car that gets blown around like a leaf when there is a breeze also? Shame, you need to pay ALGORE also and the U.N. Since they want to benifit from the Global Warming scam. I hope you do not use electricity. Because it takes those mean evil coal plants to generate it. Make sure God forbid you should go to a hospital and are on an operating table, The it is Solar Powered or wind powered. Pray that it isn't night time or that there is a good breeze. Cn't have it powered that any mean evil coal plants, no no no.
    Don't forget to pay ALGORE or the U.N. also. They want thier cut.
  • rikonjohn Dan (Po... 2012/04/22 10:52:57
    rikonjohn
    Make your replies coherent and readable. Blindly replying incoherently just gets you ignored..
  • Dan (Po... rikonjohn 2012/04/22 10:58:45
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    LOL, Be honest, you just can't reply.
  • rikonjohn Dan (Po... 2012/04/22 12:22:21
    rikonjohn
    My reply would be that an ever increasing number of Americans are having second thoughts about their doubts concerning global warming.

    That's because a huge number of Americans live in Red States. A huge number of Red States are powered by coal. A huge number of Red States powered by coal have sustained terrible onslaughts of really bad weather including tornadoes, thunderstorms, lightning, hail, excessive rain, flooding, snow, and other weather related phenomenon apparently due to too much moisture in the atmosphere. How's the Mississippi Valley doing these days?

    Too much moisture in the atmosphere comes from too much evaporation over the oceans that comes from a bit more carbon in the atmosphere trapping a tad more heat than the oceans are used to.

    I suspect those folks living in the Red States who five years ago would never have given credence to the idea of man-made global warming are now changing their minds.

    They are, after all, the direct recipients of the Hammer of God. And it's going to get worse. A lot worse.

    They are farmers and ranchers and farmers and ranchers have to adapt to the weather. The weather won't adapt to them. They don't like what's happening and will go their graves before admitting we've done this to ourselves, but they will adapt. They will do so...



    My reply would be that an ever increasing number of Americans are having second thoughts about their doubts concerning global warming.

    That's because a huge number of Americans live in Red States. A huge number of Red States are powered by coal. A huge number of Red States powered by coal have sustained terrible onslaughts of really bad weather including tornadoes, thunderstorms, lightning, hail, excessive rain, flooding, snow, and other weather related phenomenon apparently due to too much moisture in the atmosphere. How's the Mississippi Valley doing these days?

    Too much moisture in the atmosphere comes from too much evaporation over the oceans that comes from a bit more carbon in the atmosphere trapping a tad more heat than the oceans are used to.

    I suspect those folks living in the Red States who five years ago would never have given credence to the idea of man-made global warming are now changing their minds.

    They are, after all, the direct recipients of the Hammer of God. And it's going to get worse. A lot worse.

    They are farmers and ranchers and farmers and ranchers have to adapt to the weather. The weather won't adapt to them. They don't like what's happening and will go their graves before admitting we've done this to ourselves, but they will adapt. They will do so without EVER admitting man-made climate change because their religious beliefs preclude the idea man can intrude on God's workings.

    They're getting the idea that there may be something to this. Probably too late to do any good, but they're getting the idea.

    They will adapt. Too late for them probably. But how about you?
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  • Dan (Po... rikonjohn 2012/04/22 12:46:18
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +1
    So the SUN has nothing what so ever to do with it? By the way, the atmosphere only has .3% CO2 and plants live on it, the more CO2 the more plants and trees. Your Globl Warming alarmist Bullcrap is just that. It's morons lke you that ALGORE and the U.N. like. They like sheeple like you because they can steal from you and control your lives. Over a LIE!
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