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George Zimmerman's Bond Revoked?

~ The Rebel ~ 2012/06/01 21:40:15

A judge revoked bond today for
George Zimmerman,
who is accused of killing a Florida teenager in his gated community, and
ordered the neighborhood
watch
captain to surrender himself in 48 hours.


Prosecutors had filed a motion today to
revoke his bond, accusing Zimmerman of "deceiving" the court about his finances
and his possession of a second passport, which he apparently acquired two weeks
after the shooting.


"The court was led to believe that they
didn't have a single penny," said prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda. "If this [the
money] wasn't relevant to bond then why did they lie about it? I don't know what
other words to use besides that it was a blatant lie."


In recordings of conversations released
today during a court hearing, Zimmerman and his wife cryptically talk about his
second passport in a safety deposit box they shared.

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  • Schläue~© 2012/06/01 22:18:21
    Schläue~©
    +2
    So the race-baiters couldn't leave well enough alone and instead of accepting they got their trail, had to stir the pot once again?

    Zimmerman's fb account was specifically set up to collect donations for his LEGAL FEES, living expenses and said those exact words on the website.
    NOWHERE did it mention monies for posting bail, which has nothing to do with LEGAL FEES, paying court costs or living expenses.

    Posting bail allows the person their freedom during the course of the proceedings and is a bond saying they will show up for all related court dates..... THAT'S IT.
    Had Zimmerman used the money collected on that website to pay for his release from jail, he could have been charged with setting up the account under false pretense.

    Sounds like there's yet another Florida 'official' who has caved to public pressure and forgot about upholding the rule of law.
    I sincerely hope that Mark O'Mara makes him look like a total jackass at the next hearing.

    Another point. Ability to pay is NOT supposed to be a factor when considering what bail amount is set. It is based on the crime itself and what the flight risks are.
    Zimmerman had not exhibited any indication that he was a flight risk and the detective for the prosecution admitted under oath that they had no evidence that showed Zimme...



    So the race-baiters couldn't leave well enough alone and instead of accepting they got their trail, had to stir the pot once again?

    Zimmerman's fb account was specifically set up to collect donations for his LEGAL FEES, living expenses and said those exact words on the website.
    NOWHERE did it mention monies for posting bail, which has nothing to do with LEGAL FEES, paying court costs or living expenses.

    Posting bail allows the person their freedom during the course of the proceedings and is a bond saying they will show up for all related court dates..... THAT'S IT.
    Had Zimmerman used the money collected on that website to pay for his release from jail, he could have been charged with setting up the account under false pretense.

    Sounds like there's yet another Florida 'official' who has caved to public pressure and forgot about upholding the rule of law.
    I sincerely hope that Mark O'Mara makes him look like a total jackass at the next hearing.

    Another point. Ability to pay is NOT supposed to be a factor when considering what bail amount is set. It is based on the crime itself and what the flight risks are.
    Zimmerman had not exhibited any indication that he was a flight risk and the detective for the prosecution admitted under oath that they had no evidence that showed Zimmerman started the altercation or that he wasn't retuning to his vehicle when attacked.

    That right there should have alerted the Judge that the prosecution's case was way overcharged and a bail amount for a second degree murder count was unwarranted.

    Regardless, the bond was secured, bail posted and he was released without any attempt to flee since. This is ridiculous that this so-called judge would even entertain such nonsense.
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  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 03:14:41
    prayer warrior
    Well unless you have a degree in law let the experts decide what is right and wrong not the media or the right or theleft. There are laws for murder and points of probable cause to hold and try a person. The points being proved then he must stand trial. But he is innocent until proven guilty.
    If the facts are as they were presented when he first shot the teen I would have arrested him unless there is more to it.
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 03:39:57
    Schläue~©
    +1
    First of all, you have to understand Florida statute for the crime of stalking, which was never met.


    Code Section - 784.048
    Stalking Defined as

    "Willful, malicious, and repeated following or harassing. (704.048(2)); Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury; or willfully, maliciously, repeatedly follows or harasses minor under 16; or after injunction for protection or any court-imposed prohibition of conduct, knowingly, willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another person."

    The arrest warrant affidavit, erroneously left out all key details in Zimmerman's favor that were known at the time, such as the indication of Zimmerman's injuries and condition on the police report, photographic evidence of such, paramedics report, eye witness statements, the admission by Tracy Martin that it was not his Son's voice (screaming) on the 911 tape, and lack of evidence Zimmerman had initiated the altercation.

    All of that plays into the self defense argument which is all consistent and corroborates Zimmerman's sworn statement.

    Under Florida statute of Stand Your Ground, Zimmerman also had the legal right to use deadly force in that situation.

    ...

    First of all, you have to understand Florida statute for the crime of stalking, which was never met.


    Code Section - 784.048
    Stalking Defined as

    "Willful, malicious, and repeated following or harassing. (704.048(2)); Aggravated stalking: willful, malicious and repeated following or harassing another with credible threats with the intent to place person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury; or willfully, maliciously, repeatedly follows or harasses minor under 16; or after injunction for protection or any court-imposed prohibition of conduct, knowingly, willfully, maliciously and repeatedly follows or harasses another person."

    The arrest warrant affidavit, erroneously left out all key details in Zimmerman's favor that were known at the time, such as the indication of Zimmerman's injuries and condition on the police report, photographic evidence of such, paramedics report, eye witness statements, the admission by Tracy Martin that it was not his Son's voice (screaming) on the 911 tape, and lack of evidence Zimmerman had initiated the altercation.

    All of that plays into the self defense argument which is all consistent and corroborates Zimmerman's sworn statement.

    Under Florida statute of Stand Your Ground, Zimmerman also had the legal right to use deadly force in that situation.

    Bottom line, the Sanford Police were 100% correct in not arresting him pending an investigation and the Seminole County prosecutors office was correct in not filing any charges before a thorough investigation showed probable cause.

    There's a good chance that Zimmerman will have a grounds for filing a lawsuit against Seminole County after this is dismissed.
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  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 13:45:15 (edited)
    prayer warrior
    Actually when death occurs you arrest the person and by doing so you can note the injuries in the report which would have exonerated Zimmerman. There was probable cause that a crime was committed and the police are not allowed to be judge and jury on the street. The fact that he was released shows that they acted in that manner. Therefore the prosecutor invesitigated the case and thus a warrant was issued for his arrest.

    How can you determine that Zimmerman 's case met the critera you pointed out without a proper investigation and interview ? The officer on scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but his superior released him.

    I have never heard of releasing a suspect without a proper investigation. If you are not a prosecutor or have ever been a police officer your opinion is just that an opinion. I say that they were not 100 % correct since I do know police procedure. The supervisor screwed up. ie the arrest of Zimmerman therefore those condition you talk about were not met.
    It is up to the court to determine if self defense was met without further investigation we will not know.
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 14:41:36
    Schläue~©
    +1
    Wrong. If you think there is an arrest made merely because a death occurred, you're been watching far too much TV. Zimmerman was handcuffed and taken to the SPD for 3-4 hours of interviews while the 911 tapes were being reviewed, witness statements read and his injuries were well documented by paramedics and listed on Officer Smith's incident report .... him being the first responder and the one who took Zimmerman into custody.

    According to all the evidence they had, and reviewed by the Seminole County prosecutor, Zimmerman was released without any charges filed. There was nothing to show he had not acted in self defense after being attacked.
    There has to be evidence that he committed a crime to make an arrest, file charges and there was no indication of such.

    As soon as Martin was pronounced dead by paramedics at 7:30 PM, (19:30:00) it became a crime scene, the area was cordoned off and turned over to detectives from the Major Crimes unit. The investigation began that evening.... not a month later as the media lied. Angela Corey even stated this during her infamous press conference when she announced that charges would be filed.

    It sounds like you're regurgitating the media rendition and aren't aware of the actual facts of the case.
    The officer on scene as you mentioned, who wa...








    Wrong. If you think there is an arrest made merely because a death occurred, you're been watching far too much TV. Zimmerman was handcuffed and taken to the SPD for 3-4 hours of interviews while the 911 tapes were being reviewed, witness statements read and his injuries were well documented by paramedics and listed on Officer Smith's incident report .... him being the first responder and the one who took Zimmerman into custody.

    According to all the evidence they had, and reviewed by the Seminole County prosecutor, Zimmerman was released without any charges filed. There was nothing to show he had not acted in self defense after being attacked.
    There has to be evidence that he committed a crime to make an arrest, file charges and there was no indication of such.

    As soon as Martin was pronounced dead by paramedics at 7:30 PM, (19:30:00) it became a crime scene, the area was cordoned off and turned over to detectives from the Major Crimes unit. The investigation began that evening.... not a month later as the media lied. Angela Corey even stated this during her infamous press conference when she announced that charges would be filed.

    It sounds like you're regurgitating the media rendition and aren't aware of the actual facts of the case.
    The officer on scene as you mentioned, who wanted to arrest him was NOT the first responder although he should have been. That would be Officer Ayala, who was first dispatched at 19:11:17 and waited for a full minute before going en-route. Zimmerman's call began at 19:09:34. Officer Smith was dispatched at 19:13:27 (2:10 after Ayala) yet he was the first to arrive on scene at 19:17:11, just as he received notification that shots were fired.

    Ayala doesn't arrive until after Zimmerman is secured in handcuffs by Smith which would have been sometime after 19:17:11, but he failed to report his arrival so the exact time is not noted on the radio log.

    I'm quite sure that Ayala was feeling just a bit guilty knowing, had he gone en-route immediately when he first received the call, that he very well could have arrived in time to intervene before the shot was fired at 19:16:56.
    That crucial minute he waited, would have put him there ahead of Smith, possibly around 19:16:30.

    Yeah.... there's a reason Ayala was the ONLY officer on scene who included a charge of Manslaughter on his report the following day.

    And yes, I am a former LEO, both military and civilian, have a degree in Criminal Justice and I'll just leave it at that.
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  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 18:52:57
    prayer warrior
    So you are a prosecutor ? I hate to tell you I also have taken criminal justice and am former LEO. I also say if he would have kept his butt inthe car we would not be having this discussion and we need to let it play out in court.
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 19:08:00
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 19:14:26
    prayer warrior
    This not the court but if it makes you feel good have at it. Like I said keep me abreast cup cake!!!
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 13:51:56
    prayer warrior
    When Zimmerman was in his vechicle how did Martin drag him out of the vehicle ? Therefore if there was an altercation it was initiated by Zimmerman common sense. Many people when they want to play police and have a gun feel that they are big man on the blockI have seen it before.
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 14:50:19
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 18:55:56
    prayer warrior
    Fact Zimmerman followed him. Fact he was told to leave him alone Fact if he would not have confronted Martin the kid would still be alive fact let the courts decided his innocence or guilt.
    I never state that it was wrong for him to drive around but itwas wrong for him to exit his vehicle and confront someone bigger just because he had a gun and felt like Billy bad ass
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 19:10:50
    Schläue~©
    +1
    OK..... now you've slipped from the ridiculous and entered the sublimely inane babbling.
  • ~ The Rebel ~ 2012/06/01 21:44:04
    ~ The Rebel ~
    Zimmerman must surrender; bond revoked

    http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerm...
  • ~ The R... ~ The R... 2012/06/01 21:45:00
    ~ The Rebel ~
    A judge on Friday revoked the bond of the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with murdering Trayvon Martin and ordered him returned to jail within 48 hours, saying George Zimmerman and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available when his bond was set at $150,000.

    Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up. Zimmerman's wife, Shellie, testified at the bond hearing in April that they had limited funds available since she was a nursing student and Zimmerman wasn't working.

    "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods," said Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester when he made his ruling.

    Defense attorney Mark O'Mara said the fact that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything indicated "there was no deceit."

    http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerm...
  • Son Of Anubis™ 2012/06/01 21:42:45
    Son Of Anubis™
    +1
    So what...he's still innocent in the shooting!
  • prayer ... Son Of ... 2012/06/02 03:07:45
    prayer warrior
    +1
    He is guilty of the shooting now whether it is justfiable is another story. He is considered innocent util proven guity but he has also being lying. He had gun and is alive the biy was walking and had no weapon. No matter the race he needs to go to trial.
    But lying about the passport does not look good for him.
  • Son Of ... prayer ... 2012/06/04 15:45:51
    Son Of Anubis™
    True but I still think it was justifiable then again no one outside the court or the lawyers have all the info on this case so EVERYTHING said is just opinion and speculation...as we all have the right to our opinion I think the shooting was justified and others don't....we will have to wait fo the verdict to finally be decided.
  • Jiorgia 2012/06/01 21:42:04
    Jiorgia
    +1
    its a good thing that his bond was revoked then, doesn't really sound like a completely innocent man to me.
  • Schläue~© Jiorgia 2012/06/01 22:19:24
    Schläue~©
    +2
    Haven't been exposed to any of the facts in the case?
  • Jiorgia Schläue~© 2012/06/01 22:28:15
    Jiorgia
    +1
    if 2 weeks after the shooting (before the media upraw) he was buying a second passport, that sounds fishy, does it not?
    lying to the judge and saying that you have no money when you do, also sounds fishy.

    in any other case people would be saying that the man had plans to run.

    facts so far released about the case aside, why would a *completely* innocent man buy a second passport 2 weeks after killing someone, before there was even an allegation against him?
  • Schläue~© Jiorgia 2012/06/01 22:40:02
    Schläue~©
    +2
    He didn't 'buy' anything. He applied for the second Passport because his first one (which was lost or stolen) was due to expire in May.
    That's standard procedure for people who have Passports, to apply for a renewal or replacement before the other one expires.
    Otherwise, you have to go through the complete process all over.

    He didn't lie to the Judge. The money in the fb account was specifically designated for legal fees, which have nothing to do with Bond nor Bail. People who donated, did so thinking those funds would be used to pay for his attorney and living expenses..... NOT to post bail.
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 03:10:18
    prayer warrior
    +1
    Well the judge thinks he lied that is why he has been revoked.
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 03:42:57
    Schläue~©
    +2
    The judge caved to pressure and he knows the fund was set up for future legal fees and not for bail. Those are two completely separate, unrelated items.
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 13:49:00
    prayer warrior
    When you get a law degree maybe we can say what the judge did was legal or not I don't have the degree do you ? Again this is your opinion why not have Zimmerman exonorated by the court ?
  • Schläue~© prayer ... 2012/06/02 14:42:47
    Schläue~©
    +1
    The case will be tossed before it goes to full trial.
  • prayer ... Schläue~© 2012/06/02 18:58:03
    prayer warrior
    We will see please keep me informed in case I miss it. I don't know all the facts and neither do you let it play out in the courts and I have said that from the very beginning. But all of the arm chair judges are saying he will be let go.
  • prayer ... Jiorgia 2012/06/02 03:09:14
    prayer warrior
    +1
    Good points
  • prayer ... Jiorgia 2012/06/02 03:08:31
    prayer warrior
    +1
    you are correct innocent people have no reason to lie.

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