George Zimmerman Charged With Second-Degree Murder: Fair or Foul?
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2012/04/12 13:00:00
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It took prosecutors a month and a half to charge George Zimmerman in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, but Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey announced the charge on Wednesday, just days after dismissing the grand jury. He's being charged with second-degree murder, and could face life in prison. This doesn't mean he's guilty, but it does mean he's in prison for the time being.
Zimmerman arrived at the Polk Correctional Facility in Florida Wednesday night after the 28-year-old surrendered to law enforcement. Lawyers on both sides of the case anticipate a long and arduous trial. Zimmerman's new lawyers says he is "not concerned about [Zimmerman's] mental well-being" and expects "justice in the end." Martin's mother just wants to "ask him if there were another way that he could have settled the confrontation." Do you think the charges against George Zimmerman sound fair -- or foul?
Zimmerman arrived at the Polk Correctional Facility in Florida Wednesday night after the 28-year-old surrendered to law enforcement. Lawyers on both sides of the case anticipate a long and arduous trial. Zimmerman's new lawyers says he is "not concerned about [Zimmerman's] mental well-being" and expects "justice in the end." Martin's mother just wants to "ask him if there were another way that he could have settled the confrontation." Do you think the charges against George Zimmerman sound fair -- or foul?
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+66Prosecutor will have to get all twelve jurors to vote to convict to get this silly murder charge upheld. She knows that is hopeless. The charge carries some lesser homicide charges as "included lesser charges" (like manslaughter) which they can compromise on. The hope would be that by asking for murder 2, they can get Zimmerman to agree to accept something like negligent homicide. If he does, he is being gullible, for they can never get twelve Floridians to agree he is culpable. Even if they get an all black jury, getting twelve of us to agree he did not have the right to defend himself just because his attacker is black would be very unlikely. Too many of us have had family or friends who have been attacked by young men like Trayvon. Having worked with victims of abuse for many years, my sympathy for the victim of the attack (Zimmerman) far outweighs my identification as a Florida black.
Zimmerman was driving from his own residence at the southwest end INSIDE the complex on Retreat View Circle, headed northbound to the main gate and observed Martin between the rows of condos.
The 6' partitions are on the back side of the condos where the porches are to provide some privacy although there is no enclosed fencing.
Kinda like the open stalls in a restroom.
Martin would have been able to use the partitions and all available landscaping to conceal his location while listening to Zimmerman's conversation with SPD.
you can't even imitate bugs bunny competently, who, by the way, would want nothing to do with the likes of you. bugs is from brooklyn, and one thing brooklynites cannot stand are people who are so full of crap.
Nor do I give a rat's ass about the Skittles & Ice tea.
Martin purposely ran the SECOND time after Zimmerman had gone back to his vehicle and Martin confronted him.
Just as he was well hidden while listening to the conversation, took a vantage point where he could attack Zimmerman from a location that wasn't visible from the street.
This will all come out during the expeditionary hearing and you blind followers of the race-baiting crowd will be eating crushed crow for quite a while.
You just said "Zimmerman had gone back to his vehicle"
Well doofus try to explain then how Martin's dead body was found hundreds of yards from Zimmerman's car.
Nor would Gilbreath take responsibility for the contents of the affidavit, saying only that it's contents were a collaborated effort by numerous individuals.
He also admits that he never asked for, nor has he seen the injury report from paramedics who treated Zimmerman at the scene and didn't take any of those facts in consideration while making a determination to file charges.
The state has no case for anything. Their entire charade hinges on Crump and Sharpton pushing a 'profiling' angle which there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim.
George Zimmerman is preparing to leave the jail at this moment, will be allowed to move at will from 6AM to 6PM being monitored by GPS. The Judge did not stipulate he must remain in Florida and said those details would be worked out by law enforcement.
O'Mara had the prosecution like putty in his hands and exposed them for the fools they are for even attempting to bring a charge of M2 to the table.
Their case just collapsed at a ...
Nor would Gilbreath take responsibility for the contents of the affidavit, saying only that it's contents were a collaborated effort by numerous individuals.
He also admits that he never asked for, nor has he seen the injury report from paramedics who treated Zimmerman at the scene and didn't take any of those facts in consideration while making a determination to file charges.
The state has no case for anything. Their entire charade hinges on Crump and Sharpton pushing a 'profiling' angle which there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim.
George Zimmerman is preparing to leave the jail at this moment, will be allowed to move at will from 6AM to 6PM being monitored by GPS. The Judge did not stipulate he must remain in Florida and said those details would be worked out by law enforcement.
O'Mara had the prosecution like putty in his hands and exposed them for the fools they are for even attempting to bring a charge of M2 to the table.
Their case just collapsed at a freakin' bond hearing. Prosecution tried to bring up Zimmerman's past arrest and TPO numerous times and the Juidge was not impressed.
Zimmerman never said he was 'chasing' anyone and on the audio he replies 'late teens' when asked how old the subject appeared.
Slice, dice, spin & paint it all you want but these little inconsequential items you grasp at with nubbed fingernails don't make a damn bit of difference.
Obviously, the prosecution has given themselves a nightmare and will rue the day they fell into the lynch-mob mentality without a case and possibly facing a lawsuit for wrongful detention.
The idiots have admitted they don't have the pertinent conflicting evidence that backs up ANY charges.
Zimmerman will be on a private jet outta there as soon as arrangements are completed.
Zimm told the dispatcher to have the cops turn left PAST the clubhouse, go PAST the mailboxes, and they'd see his truck. He couldn't give the dispatcher an address because there was a "cut-through." Look at the map again. Zimm is on the inside street (I don't remember the name), NOT R'view Circle, and sees Trayvon ambling along, probably not far past the clubhouse. Zimm parks -- I think a bit S. of the cut-through because you have to allow for Trayvon to have space to walk toward him, then take off into the cut-through. I'm assuming that's where he went because Zimm doesn't say "He's running AWAY." They're at the path at the N. end of the buildings; there's a row of TH's perpendicular to the row on the street where Zimm parks.
IF he hadn't gone a fair way from his truck, he wouldn't have worried about where Trayvon was because he would have KNOWN Trayvon couldn't come back toward the truck AFTER running into the cut-through without being seen. ZIMM has gone into the courtyard too -- and a good distance in, using the length of time on the tape he's running. Which is why he's worried about giving out personal info.
Now DeeDee's statement (not saying it's "evidence," but she said it so it's out there): Trayvon told her "the guy's following" him AGAIN. ...
Zimm told the dispatcher to have the cops turn left PAST the clubhouse, go PAST the mailboxes, and they'd see his truck. He couldn't give the dispatcher an address because there was a "cut-through." Look at the map again. Zimm is on the inside street (I don't remember the name), NOT R'view Circle, and sees Trayvon ambling along, probably not far past the clubhouse. Zimm parks -- I think a bit S. of the cut-through because you have to allow for Trayvon to have space to walk toward him, then take off into the cut-through. I'm assuming that's where he went because Zimm doesn't say "He's running AWAY." They're at the path at the N. end of the buildings; there's a row of TH's perpendicular to the row on the street where Zimm parks.
IF he hadn't gone a fair way from his truck, he wouldn't have worried about where Trayvon was because he would have KNOWN Trayvon couldn't come back toward the truck AFTER running into the cut-through without being seen. ZIMM has gone into the courtyard too -- and a good distance in, using the length of time on the tape he's running. Which is why he's worried about giving out personal info.
Now DeeDee's statement (not saying it's "evidence," but she said it so it's out there): Trayvon told her "the guy's following" him AGAIN. Which implies that Zimm is behind Trayvon when he comes out of wherever he's been. Yes, he had to be out of sight somewhere because he had time to run home from when Zimm told the dispatcher "He's running" till the end of the call.
Hiding isn't a crime either. I don't think Zimm could have passed where Trayvon was hiding because Trayvon wouldn't have come out (or he would have known where Zimm was). So it's hard to see how Zimm was going BACK to his truck. The way you tell it, Trayvon had to follow Zimm back, deck him, and run back into the courtyard, and Zimm follows him.
Zimm, who was afraid of being overheard by a guy hiding in the courtyard, has now been accosted at his truck, so he naturally follows T BACK into the same courtyard? That is Darwin-Award-level STUPID.
AND, even if that happened the way you say (which is a joke), Zimm is ignoring the dispatcher's saying "We don't need you to do that." He does what the dispatcher says and then un-does it? Wtf?
The real issue is whether 2 butterflies and a band-aid on your nose justify lethal force. I've had worse-looking bumps falling off my bike. Easy enough to put a few band-aids on YOURSELF.
Neither did Zimmerman get taken to any hospitial. There's no band-aids seen anywhen on Zimmerman on the official police tape 34 minutes after the shooting.
If "witnesses" saw Zimmerman AFTER THE FACT after police released him and on the next day with this bozo walking around for effect with a band-aid on, that obviously was Zimmerman's own doing and justmore role playing in some feeble attempt to play the role of victim and trying to build his defense.
Now, I'm not passing judgement and declaring him guilty. Maybe he was wearing ScotchGuard clothes. Maybe he's got excessive platelets. Maybe he is muy macho. I don't know. But his defenders might want to tone down their shouts of his innocence until after his trial.
The police should have treated him as a suspect, rather than a guest. At no time in the entire police video do you once see any of the three cops put their hands on Zimmerman to forcefully escort him around as is always done with a suspect, especially one suspected of a capital crime.
Sandford police done none of that and treated Zimmerman more as a guest, a friend, one of their pals and not a murder suspect. Disgusting,shameful, substandard and very sloppy police work.
The most revolting action goes to the first DA that leaped out of his bed at 4AM and in less than a handful of hours decided on his own to release Zimmerman. Obviously the Sanford police and DA are jokes and a mockery to the justice system.
Why are you guys standing up for a blatant liar, and if this murderer had butter fly clamps on his face the next day, it stands to reason that there would be blood and clamps on his face 45 minns after the killing, are you guys this damn dumb?
Now, I'm not passing judgement and declaring him guilty. Maybe he was wearing ScotchGuard clothes. Maybe he's got excessive platelets. Maybe he is muy macho. I don't know. Maybe he is magic and can defy the laws of gravity and physics.
He very well could have accomplished his task by using the sidewalk as a weapon, but didn't figure that his target would be armed.
tsk tsk
No, I don't have an ounce of compassion for someone who attacks another because they're pissed off that he dropped the dime on him.
FACT, if Martin was merely be-boppin' with his Skittles, he would have been to Brandy's condo long before Zimmerman ended his call.
According to the SPD audio, there is no gunshot prior to 7:13:41.
I don't supposed the info you have access to includes the times of the residents' 911 calls? Not their duration, the start and end times of each. I won't hold it against you if you don't, especially now that they've been pulled. I'm just curious because they complete the timeline.
Call #2 - 7:16:41 - caller says the guy on top has a white T-shirt, cannot see victim.
Call #3 - 7:17:06 - caller heard yelling 'help help' and gunshot
Call #4 - 7:17:15 - heard screaming - help - heard single gunshot
Call #5 - 7:17:54 - kids were outside heard gunshot
Call #6 - 7:18:00 - They were wrestling right in the back of my porch - the guy was yelling for help and I wasn't going outside - heard shot
So none of them is the guy who walked by and said "I'm calling 911"? Which is the one that went on for nearly 15 minutes because the caller (a woman) got nearly hysterical?
First it was "he was going for my gun." Then it was "he was banging my head on the ground." What's next? "He was giving me the Evil Eye?" "He was performing the Vulcan Mind Meld to learn about my secret vulnerability to Kryptonite?"