Absolutely and they should.
"ANYTHING you say can be used against you"
This pompous idiot lied to the Judge in his own Murder Trial which is not only evidence but an actual part of the court record. Why should a jury believe him at all when he claims self defense?
George Zimmerman back to jail for 'falsehoods.' Will they influence trial?
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SANFORD, Fla. (AP) — The credibility of Trayvon Martin's shooter could be an issue at trial after a judge said that George Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court about their finances to obtain a bond, legal experts say.
That's because the case hinges on jurors believing his account of what happened the night the 17-year-old was killed. Zimmerman wasn't charged in the case until more than a month after the shooting, saying he shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's so-called stand your ground law. Protests were held across the nation, and the case spurred debate about race. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is from Peru.
The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine his credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McClean, who is a former prosecutor.
"The other key witness, unfortunately, is deceased," McClean said. "Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts. ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case."
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder for the February shooting. The neighborhood watch volunteer says he shot Martin in self-defense because the unarmed 17-year-old was beating him up after confronting Zimmerman about following him in a gated community outside Orlando.
Witness accounts of the rainy night Martin was shot are spotty. There is no video of the fight, though photos prosecutors have released showed Zimmerman with wounds to his face and the back of his head.
Zimmerman's credibility would be important if O'Mara tries to get a judge without the jury to dismiss the charges based on the law, said Orlando defense attorney David Hill.
"If he was in on something that was not truthfully revealed to the judge, when there is a 'stand your ground' hearing, of course you're going to second-guess him," Hill said.
Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. The hearing also was notable because Zimmerman took the stand and apologized to Martin's parents.
Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he set up, and they suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.
Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical — and has since been in hiding.
Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.
"Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead the court down the primrose path? That's the issue," Lester said. "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods."
The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit." His attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it wouldn't be a problem to bring Zimmerman back into custody by the deadline.
The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.
Police in Sanford did not immediately arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "stand your ground" law that gives wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat in a fight if people believe they are in danger of being killed or seriously injured.
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial, which O'Mara said he believed wouldn't be until next year.
Crump was asked if he thought that if Zimmerman would be willing to lie about his finances that he would be willing to lie about what happen the night Martin was killed.
"We fully expect that the special prosecutor will make George Zimmerman's credibility be front and center in this entire case," Crump said. "And whatever dishonesty that comes forth by George Zimmerman that they can prove, you can best believe it will become the issue of this case."
The revocation of Zimmerman's bond also puts pressure on O'Mara to not delay the trial, McClean said.
"When your client is out on bond, the pressure is much lighter to rush to trial ... because your client is sitting at home," he said. "When your client is sitting at the Seminole County Jail, your client is going to want this resolved."
That's because the case hinges on jurors believing his account of what happened the night the 17-year-old was killed. Zimmerman wasn't charged in the case until more than a month after the shooting, saying he shot Martin in self-defense under Florida's so-called stand your ground law. Protests were held across the nation, and the case spurred debate about race. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is from Peru.
The questioning of Zimmerman's truthfulness by the judge on Friday could undermine his credibility if it is brought up at trial. It also may complicate how his defense presents him as a witness, said Orlando-area attorney Randy McClean, who is a former prosecutor.
"The other key witness, unfortunately, is deceased," McClean said. "Basically, Zimmerman is going to be asking the jury to believe his version of the facts. ... As the case stands now, his credibility is absolutely critical to the case."
Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder for the February shooting. The neighborhood watch volunteer says he shot Martin in self-defense because the unarmed 17-year-old was beating him up after confronting Zimmerman about following him in a gated community outside Orlando.
Witness accounts of the rainy night Martin was shot are spotty. There is no video of the fight, though photos prosecutors have released showed Zimmerman with wounds to his face and the back of his head.
Zimmerman's credibility would be important if O'Mara tries to get a judge without the jury to dismiss the charges based on the law, said Orlando defense attorney David Hill.
"If he was in on something that was not truthfully revealed to the judge, when there is a 'stand your ground' hearing, of course you're going to second-guess him," Hill said.
Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.
Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. The hearing also was notable because Zimmerman took the stand and apologized to Martin's parents.
Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he set up, and they suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.
Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical — and has since been in hiding.
Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.
"Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead the court down the primrose path? That's the issue," Lester said. "He can't sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods."
The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit." His attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it wouldn't be a problem to bring Zimmerman back into custody by the deadline.
The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.
Police in Sanford did not immediately arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "stand your ground" law that gives wide latitude to use deadly force rather than retreat in a fight if people believe they are in danger of being killed or seriously injured.
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial, which O'Mara said he believed wouldn't be until next year.
Crump was asked if he thought that if Zimmerman would be willing to lie about his finances that he would be willing to lie about what happen the night Martin was killed.
"We fully expect that the special prosecutor will make George Zimmerman's credibility be front and center in this entire case," Crump said. "And whatever dishonesty that comes forth by George Zimmerman that they can prove, you can best believe it will become the issue of this case."
The revocation of Zimmerman's bond also puts pressure on O'Mara to not delay the trial, McClean said.
"When your client is out on bond, the pressure is much lighter to rush to trial ... because your client is sitting at home," he said. "When your client is sitting at the Seminole County Jail, your client is going to want this resolved."
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FAWKES' NOOSE ~ ΔTX 2012/06/02 18:33:49Yes






















"ANYTHING you say can be used against you"
This pompous idiot lied to the Judge in his own Murder Trial which is not only evidence but an actual part of the court record. Why should a jury believe him at all when he claims self defense?
The FACT remains, that the fb website specifically said the collected funds were to be utilized for his LEGAL FEES and living expenses.
Perhaps you have some spayshul dictionary that defines bail as legal fees?
Color me crazy but I'm fairly sure that a bond or bail is posted to secure one's freedom during the course of legal proceedings and a guarantee that one will be available for all court dates and comply with the terms of the court and said bondsman.
His Passport renewal is a non-issue considering he hadn't exhibited any intentions of fleeing during the months leading up to his arrest.
Fact is, the family did not have bail monies available to them and that is exactly what they testified to.
Mark O'Mara will argue the same and will completely shred DeeDee's coached testimony if she (or the prosecution) is stupid enough to take the stand and repeat her bullsh!t under oath.
The FACT remains, that the fb website specifically said the collected funds were to be utilized for his LEGAL FEES and living expenses.
OMG, fairy tells are more believable than the yarns you spin Why don't you do some research on this subject before you play judge here.did you even read the phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife it's all there in black and white.
They were talking about the transfer of funds. His wife was asked by the judge if she was aware of the account and she confirmed that she was, however, didn't know what the total amount was, which she didn't.
I understand that you thug supporters are grasping at any straw you can, considering the detective for the prosecution already admitted under oath that they have NO EVIDENCE showing that Zimmerman initiated the contact or that he wasn't returning to his vehicle as he stated.
Tuff titty said the kitty..... them's the breaks.
even the investigator said he did not believe Zimmerman was telling the truth.
the investigator, chris sorino did however also state that Zimmerman's head injuries where not conclusive of how he claims it was maid
Angela Corey clarified that during her glowing press conference when she announced the charge.
Yeah.... I guess Zimmerman had a sudden urge to bounce his skull off of any available object and the eye witness who identified Martin beating his head against the concrete was hallucinating.
Zimmerman's head got dribbled on the concrete, the witness described it as MMA style ground & pound. His detailed deposition says a lot more than what was revealed to the press in the heavily redacted pages.
because the police reports have all shown that no one saw Martin pounding Zimmerman's head on the concrete
Witness statements are a complete different thing and as I said.... wait & see.
He wasn't the first second third or tenth officer to respond on the scene.
One person;s opinion doesn't outweigh all others.
Besides, I'm sure he got that from Ayala, who was dispatched first but second to arrive because he sat on his ass for a minute before going enroute to respond.
I'm sure he was feeling a bit guilty knowing had he got his ass in gear he would have arrived around 7:16:30, would have heard the screams and had a chance to intervene before the shot was fired at 7:16:56.
I'll bet Martin wishes he would have.
How do they develop something that has already occurred? They can attempt to recreate the unknown events and that's about it.
First responding officer is perhaps the most vital key in the entire investigation. He was the first one to see the scene as fresh as it gets, since there was nobody who actually witnessed the the initial confrontation or the shot being fired.
The position of both Martin & Zimmerman, Zim's demeanor, injuries, are critical to ascertain what the most likely scenario was. Detectives can take all the ear-witness and scant eye witness depositions they want but will never have the same picture as what Officer Smith observed.
Of course, the autopsy shows angle of entry and travel but doesn't confirm the position of the two subjects when the round went off, only what angle the weapon was at, in relation to Martin's wound. And of course, the approximate distance.
I'm talking about this particular case. Try to keep up.
If Corey doesn't withdraw charged or the Judge doesn't dismiss on lack of evidence, O'Mara will devastate them in a jury trial which will not be able to produce a unanimous verdict beyond reasonable doubt.
By all means, keep your head firmly implanted but I will guarantee you that they will NEVER get any type of conviction on this case.
Mark O'Mara had every chance to explain Zimmerman's use or non use of his funds before his bond was revoked and DIDN'T but of course he isn't you who will spin any story as long as long as Zimmerman comes out smelling like a rose, unfortunately the only thing that smells here is Zimmerman's continued lies.
Zimmerman claimed his passport was lost or stolen, when in fact he new very well that it was in a safety deposit box the he and his wife where speaking in code about.
It sounds to me like a person who was prepared to run if things didnt go down the way he hoped they would in court.
Zimmerman and his wife also had access to the funds at all times.
That's a fairly common thing for Passport holders to do so they don't have to re-apply from scratch all over again.
He had plenty of time to bolt before the case became publicized, before he turned himself in and after he bonded out.
The fb Paypal account SPECIFICALLY stated that ALL funds collected were to be used ONLY for living expenses and LEGAL FEES.
Legal fees have nothing to do with posting bail.
A bond has no influence on the outcome of the litigation and is merely a guarantee that one will show up for all subsequent court appearances and abide by the terms of release.
This case has turned into a circus, and we can put a lot of blame on the Sanford police department for not doing their job in the first place. At this point, everyone from the Democrats, Republicans, Black Panthers, the NRA have turn this into a Political issue; when it should have been about finding justice.
Finally, if Zimmerman only knew about National guidelines for a Neighborhood watch, this entire issue wouldn't have happen. You never confront a person, you never patrol alone, and you never carry a weapon. I don't believe Zimmerman will not be given a murder verdict, but a manslaughter because he didn't follow the rules, and listen to law enforcement.
Not to mention, Zimmerman didn't listen to his attorney in the first place, so his excuse of not knowing if that paypal was usable is irrelevant. If you don't listen and don't answer your attorneys calls, what the heck.
This entire situation has become a tragedy for two families
How did the SPD not do their job? The area was declared a crime scene immediately after paramedics pronounced Martin dead, the investigation began with detectives from their Major Crimes unit and witness statements were collected.
Zimmerman was taken to the police station, interviewed for 3-4 hours, 911 calls reviewed, and his injuries were documented.
Zimmerman was on his way to the store and wasn't on any type of 'patrol' when he observed Martin loitering around the buildings. He wasn't part of any sanctioned neighborhood watch and not bound to any book of rules. He was acting in the capacity of a concerned citizen.
Who said he confronted Martin? Zimmerman was talking to the dispatcher on the phone for over 4 minutes.
When did Zimmerman not listen to law enforcement? The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that", and Zimmerman replied with "OK"... and continued his conversation.
Zimmerman was under no obligation to take the advice of the attorney's he had before being charged. Fact is, the fb account was set up for specific uses and BAIL was not one of them.
Where was Martin all that time? Where was he hiding for 4 minutes & 31 seconds?