George Zimmerman Accused of Molestation by Childhood Friend: Smear or Relevant?

by Fef Posted 2012/07/16 22:34:19

Related Topics: George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin, Murder, Racism, Sexual, Abuse, Zimmerman

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An unidentified female witness, better known as Witness 9, claims that George Zimmerman made sexual advances at her during their childhood. George Zimmerman faces a second-degree murder charge from the February 2012 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. So, what's the relevance?

Witness 9 says she knew George Zimmerman during his childhood and would stay with him and his family. She also said Zimmerman used his two-year age difference and bigger size to intimidate her and reported Zimmerman "would put his hands under my pants, under my underwear … I would try to push him off, but he was bigger and stronger and older."

The unidentified witness continued to say that she never witnessed any racism from Zimmerman or his family. Other than her experience with Zimmerman over two decades ago, she didn't add anything else to the case. Did prosecutors need to include her as a witness for character development? Or was it just an attempt to smear George Zimmerman?

RADARONLINE.COM reports:
A woman told prosecutors in the Trayvon Martin case that murder suspect George Zimmerman molested her for 10 years, RadarOnline.com has learned.

years radaronline learned prosecutor angela corey released information package included

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☆ElenaDiamond☆ 2012/07/16 23:04:56

Smear

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An 8 year old and a 6 year old playing dirty doctor is not child molestation. Its actually considered normal behavior by many psychiatrists.

It was two children. Not molestation. What kind of garbage is this?
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LOU to Proggy 2012/07/18 21:49:16

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Like most radical conservatives!

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Randy to LOU 2012/07/19 19:38:47

Only problem, Zimmerman is a registered Democrat in the state of Florida.

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LOU to Randy 2012/07/20 01:29:28

He might be but now that he killed a black child he is the new savior of the conservative party.
Your hero needs you.

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Randy to LOU 2012/07/20 09:49:59

Damn if he isn't still a registered Democrat!!!

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LOU to Randy 2012/07/20 12:34:56

Then you child should be put to death for making one mistake. His only mistake was to be in the same area as Zimmerman.

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Randy to LOU 2012/07/20 15:22:02

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Perhaps, I guess you could say that about anyone.

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Dogzebra 2012/07/18 19:16:28

Smear

Why should I care?

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XxXdead.princessXxX 2012/07/18 19:06:44

Smear

althought it proves that he is a bad person...

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Proggy to XxXdead... 2012/07/18 19:33:48

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Just as most murderers, they're bad people.

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XxXdead... to Proggy 2012/07/18 19:36:55

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I know it was kind of a captain obviouse moment but still it doesn't look good for him...

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donna.robinson.102 2012/07/18 18:41:29

Relevant

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The reason why i feel this is revelant is because this was not once or twice, the young lady was not a willing participant, this is when it is a problem, the female in stated he was aggressive as a child, and while some may want to dismiss it as childhood fun and games, sadly its not, this is why cells are holding some as young as eight years of age, because someone decided to dismiss it as a childhood game! It shows he was aggressive then and that nothing has changed, he's just as aggressive now, he would'nt even stop when the police tried to prevent him from acting aggressively toward his former girlfreind, no this needed to come out, he has a problem with aggression, his neighbors reported him also, once freed he's going to become cockier and worse!

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GuruA2J... to donna.r... 2012/07/18 20:54:50

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Not to mention the female in question was his COUSIN.

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teigan 2012/07/18 18:13:42

Relevant

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It's relevant to his charactor, just like lying to the judge is relevant to his creditability. Just as assaulting an officer is relevant to his aggressiveness.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/18 21:23:07

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But he's not on trial for being an unpleasant guy. The question is whether he committed murder, and whatever he did with this woman when they were kids (went on for 10 years and she never told her or his parents or anyone else to stop it? Seems unbelievable), it is not relevant to the question.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/18 22:08:06

When you're on trial for murder everything is relevant.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/21 05:51:58

No it isn't. Since he's not on trial for molesting a child or killing a child he might have molested, that woman's testimony is inadmissible in court. So what's the point of bringing up this unsubstantiated allegation other than to trash his name and poison the jury pool?

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/21 06:15:41

You'd be surprised at what they will use in court. Her testimony could be used as to his character, his creditability will also be in question. Remember there is no witness as to who actually attacked who. He damaged his own creditability when he lied to the court about his finances.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/21 06:21:34

If the judge is honest, this case will never get to court, certainly never get to a jury. There is no evidence to support a murder charge. If there were, the prosecutor would have used a grand jury to bring an indictment. In the famous words of a former NY State Court of Appeals chief judge (who later went to prison, btw), "a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich." That the prosecutor couldn't count on a grand jury to indict speaks volumes about the case, and her trotting out unrelated matters to smear his reputation tells me she knows she has no case. Granted, the likelihood of an honest judge is at best 50-50. I still say this assertion never makes it into a courtroom, and if it does and if they somehow get 12 people to convict him, it will get the conviction thrown out on appeal as irrelevant and prejudicial.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/21 06:47:33

First of all Florida uses grand juries in capital cases, this is not a capital case. I don't know why you would say that the judge is dishonest, he has done nothing to show that. I don't know any judge that wouldn't get pissed off when a defendent lies to him. Zimmerman made his own bed that and destroyed his own creditability. The special prosecuter is an experienced prosecuter (and a republican), prosecutors don't generally try to prosecute a case without feeling that they have the evidence to back it up. That's not a good career move.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/22 20:55:29

The special prosecutor had the option to use a grand jury. She opted against it. The political pressure was on her to bring charges. Had she said "there's no case here," there would have been riots. She is a politician before anything else, and saying there were no charges worth bringing (or charging for something minor) would have destroyed her political future. As for the judge, I didn't say he was corrupt. I don't know whether he is. Most judges, I believe, make decisions based on either their personal politics or what will be best for their careers, at least in high profile cases. I have virtually no confidence in anyone involved in our "justice" system.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/22 22:41:26

I don't have alot of confidence in our justice system either. But I do believe that this case should go to a jury to decide.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/24 14:33:02

It probably will, though there is a standard that is supposed to be met before the jury is even allowed to consider it. So far, the prosecution seems to have speculation and innuendo, but no real evidence of murder.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/24 15:33:28

I doubt very much that we have seen all the evidence.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/27 21:34:11

I'm positive that we haven't seen all the evidence. What the prosecution has released so far is totally unimpressive. Maybe it has something else that it's saving for trial. If not, the prosecutor should be disbarred for wasting everyone's time.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/28 04:28:22

You know, I don't know if Zimmerman is guilty or not. But he just launched another website asking for more donations. His father and mother also launched a new website asking for money to help them relocate. It seems the only people not asking for money are the parents Tryvon Martin.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/31 18:17:17

So don't contribute. I didn't. I'm sure his legal fees will be in the hundreds of thousands and he wasn't wealthy. Plus all the death threats by liberal whack jobs are forcing his family to move. As for Trayvon's parents, they're undoubtedly waiting for Zimmerman's conviction, or have been counseled not to go for any money because it will make them look bad.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/08/02 16:40:25

I see, Tryvons parents can't possibly be just looking for justice for their son. They must be gold diggers. It's nice that Zimmerman collected enough money to pay off all this debts though.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/08/02 19:49:07

You seem to enjoy criticizing arguments that haven't been made. I'm sure they're waiting to see what the criminal trial will result in. If there's a conviction, I assume they'll sue Zimmerman to get whatever he has left. I also suspect that they have any civil case on hold pending the criminal trial to make the criminal case stronger. You have decided that Trayvon's parents are saints, as was Trayvon. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with you.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/08/03 05:54:58

LOL

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GuruA2J... to Bunk11 2012/07/19 00:36:37

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That woman is HIS COUSIN. Fef left that piece of information out of the article. It took 10 years for her to get the courage to tell her parents what he'd been doing to her all them years.

Jorge Zimmerman is a PREDATOR!

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Bunk11 to GuruA2J... 2012/07/21 05:56:14

There is an unsubstantiated allegation. While I can believe that she said nothing at age 6, I cannot believe it took her 10 years to tell her parents and that she made no other effort to stop him, resist him, or tell someone. Maybe it's true, but until I see more evidence, I cannot draw any conclusions from a single accusation.

That she is his cousin is not relevant. Lots of young kids fool around with cousins, AIUI. For that matter, a significant number of cousins molest cousins. Virtually none of them ever kill anyone, so what he may or may not have done with this woman - 25+ years ago - has no relevance to the situation at hand.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/21 06:19:28

Actually it was only 10+ years ago. George is only 28.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/21 06:25:06

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Oh, I thought he was older. He sure looks it. Even so, what he did as a juvenile would be inadmissible and irrelevant even if he had been convicted. Since it's an unsupported accusation 10+ years after the most recent alleged event and 20+ years after the first, I can't see any reason for bringing this up other than to trash him in the court of public opinion.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/21 06:49:25

The use of character witnesses is a common everyday occurance in trials.

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/22 20:59:47

She was not brought as a witness at trial to prove or disprove a particular point. She was brought before the media in order to trash his character. Whether he molested this woman 10-20 years ago when he was a child and then a teen is not even remotely relevant to whether his shooting of Trevon Martin was justifiable homicide, manslaughter, or murder.

There was no reason to have this woman appear in public other than to poison public opinion and the jury pool against Zimmerman. If Trevon Martin were white or if Zimmerman's name were Sanchez (making it more obvious that he's Hispanic, though it's pretty clear if you look at him), then I doubt this stuff would have been done. And if it were, many of the same people supporting it would be opposing it for trying the case in public rather than in the court.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/23 00:09:25

I see no difference in this case than any other case that releases information to the public. I know of no private trials. The judge can seal information at the request of the defendents attorneys. Hell every case that is made national releases all kinds of things. We do prefer open government to closed government. This case is not being treated any different than say, OJ Simpsons murder case. We may not like what we see or agree with what is made public, but it is what it is. Should Zimmerman be stopped from presenting his case to the public through interviews?

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Bunk11 to teigan 2012/07/24 14:34:25

My point is the type of information being released. What he did or didn't do with his cousin is not relevant to the question of why he killed Trayvon Martin.

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teigan to Bunk11 2012/07/24 15:32:52

A persons character is always in question in a trial. Fair maybe not, but that's they way it is. Even in a civil trial, every speeding or parking ticket will be thrown out there whether it has anything to do with the case or not.

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GuruA2J... to Bunk11 2012/07/23 02:17:38

You might wanna speak to molestation victims. You could learn a thing or two from them. Some are afraid to speak out until the perpetrator is dead. Especially if they're a close family friend (let alone a family member).

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Bunk11 to GuruA2J... 2012/07/24 14:38:30

How do you know I haven't? I know several molestation victims and what you say usually applies when the molestor is significantly older. Often, the victims tell someone and aren't believed and then keep quiet. No indication that this happened. There are other problems with the cousin's story too, but I don't want to write a whole dissertation on responses of molestation victims. In any event, as I noted, this whole topic is simply not relevant to the case. No indication he tried to kill the cousin.

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