Genetic engineering: The world's greatest scam? From Greenpeace

I'm familiar with the story of the tragedy of the commons, it's pure propaganda published by governments and corporations to demonize egalitarian societies, actually all of the world's pollution has been produced by governments, and corporations, NOT by egalitarian societies at all, egalitarian societies manage their resources ultra efficiently, and do not ever pollute their environment, that's why I am a firm believer in public ownership, and management of resources, and equal access to the means of production, my position is very clear, the only thing one should be allowed to exclude others from is their residence, and that's it! When you talk about the Tragedy of the Commons you're talking about a creation of governments, and corporations, not of the people of those egalitarians societies, I have looked into that thoroughly, way beyond what's been written in the mainstream publications, that's why I don't accept what's been written by the mainstream news sources about that, because I know it's a crock, like 99% of everything the mainstream media reports.

Another thing that puts a hole in your theory is I don't own my apartment, I am just a renter, and I don't pollute my apartment, nor do I damage anything in my apartment, not only for my own self interest, eventually I will move out of this apartment, and It would not be right of me to cause financial burdens for the next tenant who gets this apartment by doing things like damaging the telephone line which is not covered by the management. I am very consciousness of how I use the plumbing, the light fixtures, phone jacks, cable jacks, etc because it would not be right of me to create hassle for the next tenant when I leave especially by damaging things that are not covered by the management like the phone jacks, or cable jacks.

Though I am just a renter, I treat this apartment as if it were a condo, and I was an owner. We all need to wrap our heads around the fact that the best interest of our fellow humans is our own best interest.

I forgot to address one of your points. The egalitarian societies you talk about did not suffer from the tragedy of the commons because they did not own land in common. They were primitive hunter/gatherers, so they didn't raise livestock on common land or farm common land. They didn't have the technology to create pollution, either. It was technological progress to a way to grow more food than was needed right away that led to common ownership of land, long before governments and corporations existed.

In a world where scarcity of resources and lack of technology keeps the population so small and widely dispersed, there is no need for more than the simplest property rights--the right to one's person and direct products of one's labor, which are easily negotiated in a small clan or tribe. It is when the population becomes larger and more dense and complex that property rights provide the order that customary law provides the small egalitarian community. Customary law is consensus law, even more so than the "common law" which arose as technology allowed the human species to progress to an agricultural rather than hunter/gatherer society.

Unfortunately, when people learned how to produce more than they consumed, some people learned how to use force to appropriate the resources produced by farmers. The banditry of gangs that preyed on agricultural communities was the beginning of "government," but it was thousands of years before the bandits figured out how to convince the producers that they had the right to steal the resources because of their status as government. We certainly don't want getting rid of government's monopoly on legalized violence to return our society to an egalitarian, hunter/gatherer society where population is kept small by starvation. The miracle of technology means dense population where only respect for property rights prevents people from fighting over resources.

I know you think that technology can solve the problem of scarcity, but more resources available to more people means growing population. Unless you plan to depopulate the planet, like Bill Gates wants to do, the best we can hope for realistically is for technology to keep up with population growth so humans can eventually populate more planets.

I forgot to address one of your points. The egalitarian societies you talk about did not suffer from the tragedy of the commons because they did not own land in common. They were primitive hunter/gatherers, so they didn't raise livestock on common land or farm common land. They didn't have the technology to create pollution, either. It was technological progress to a way to grow more food than was needed right away that led to common ownership of land, long before governments and corporations existed.

In a world where scarcity of resources and lack of technology keeps the population so small and widely dispersed, there is no need for more than the simplest property rights--the right to one's person and direct products of one's labor, which are easily negotiated in a small clan or tribe. It is when the population becomes larger and more dense and complex that property rights provide the order that customary law provides the small egalitarian community. Customary law is consensus law, even more so than the "common law" which arose as technology allowed the human species to progress to an agricultural rather than hunter/gatherer society.

Unfortunately, when people learned how to produce more than they consumed, some people learned how to use force to appropriate the resources produced by farmers. The banditry of gangs that preyed on agricultural communities was the beginning of "government," but it was thousands of years before the bandits figured out how to convince the producers that they had the right to steal the resources because of their status as government. We certainly don't want getting rid of government's monopoly on legalized violence to return our society to an egalitarian, hunter/gatherer society where population is kept small by starvation. The miracle of technology means dense population where only respect for property rights prevents people from fighting over resources.

I know you think that technology can solve the problem of scarcity, but more resources available to more people means growing population. Unless you plan to depopulate the planet, like Bill Gates wants to do, the best we can hope for realistically is for technology to keep up with population growth so humans can eventually populate more planets.