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Over then next few days, we should individually ripped this piece of garbage apart.

http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/factcheck?id=0107

Health Insurance Reform Daily Mythbuster: 'Constitutionality of Health Insurance Reform'
09/16/2009
Reform opponents continue to spread myths about components of America’s Affordable Health Choices Act, including the nonsensical claim that the federal government has no constitutionally valid role in reforming our health care system—apparently ignoring the validity of Medicare and other popular federal health reforms.

MYTH:"Health insurance reform could be unconstitutional…or violate the 10th amendment."

FACT: As with Medicare and Medicaid, the federal government has the Constitutional power to reform our health care system.

The 10th amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that the powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states … or to the people. But the Constitution gives Congress broad power to regulate activities that have an effect on interstate commerce. Congress has used this authority to regulate many aspects of American life, from labor relations to education to health care to agricultural production. Since virtually every aspect of the heath care system has an effect on interstate commerce, the power of Congress to regulate health care is essentially unlimited.

The 10th amendment does not authorize states to constrict Congress’ power under the commerce clause. As the Supreme Court has held, Congress can bar racial discrimination in Ollie’s Barbeque in Alabama (Katzenbach v. McClung) or the growing and sale of medical marijuana in California (Gonzales v. Raich), even in the face of state laws permitting such behavior.

The 10th amendment does place one significant limit on Congress and the federal government: Congress cannot “commandeer” state officials to administer programs. It must get the consent of state officials who are asked, e.g., to run health programs for the poor or to help build highways. Typically, Congress obtains that consent by providing financial support to the states. A state is free to refuse the support and refuse to assist the federal government in administering the program, but Congress can authorize the federal government to administer the program on its own. Thus, Congress cannot force a state to administer a health insurance exchange, but it can authorize the federal government to administer such an exchange in any state that declines to do so.

One of the myth’s most highly visible proponents has now "backed away from earlier statements" here in an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos:

STEPHANOPOULOS: So just to be clear, are you suggesting that any parts of the plan as the President has laid it out are unconstitutional?

Gov. PAWLENTY (R-Minnesota): Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a legal issue. I was raising it as much as a practical matter, that there are some things that the federal government shouldn't do, doesn't do well, and should leave to the states."

On the shared responsibility requirement in the House health insurance reform bill, which operates like auto insurance in most states, individuals must either purchase coverage (and non-exempt employers must purchase coverage for their workers)—or pay a modest penalty for not doing so. The bill uses the tax code to provide a strong incentive for Americans to have insurance coverage and not pass their emergency health costs onto other Americans—but it allows them a way to pay their way out of that obligation. There is no constitutional problem with these provisions.
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  • +1 raves
    Silverback November 02, 2009 18:34:06
    Silverback
    Nancy, Nancy, Nancy, shut your ugly face.
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    WannaBe... Silverback November 02, 2009 19:50:36
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    bruHA HA HA! You almost made me spew beer, SB. lol
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    Breeze October 30, 2009 16:04:40
    Breeze
    Article on "general welfare"
    http://www.sobran.com/columns...
  • WannaBe... Breeze October 31, 2009 10:02:41
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    A very good dissertation on the subject. Thank you, Breeze.
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    Breeze October 30, 2009 15:40:49 (edited)
    Breeze
    You may wish to listen to the judge and two constitutional experts.

    and regulate does not mean create from whole cloth and run
  • WannaBe... Breeze October 31, 2009 10:07:04
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    The Statists will always make War on Liberty. That is what they live for.
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    Patti October 30, 2009 10:54:58 (edited)
    Patti
    Good post wanna. I know my husband needs healthcare and in order for me to put him on my insurance, they literally, without exxageration, want HALF my income. so from that I say, reform is definitely needed.

    As far as pelosi, do you know how to tell when she is lying. when she opens her mouth.
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    WannaBe... Patti October 31, 2009 10:11:23
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    Agreed. I think the Government needs to end it's 50 plus years of manipulation of the market.
    I ride motorcycles. In those States where I have lived that do NOT require MC insurance, my premiums are cheap. In other States where I have lived where insurance is mandatory, it easily jumped up 150-200 %.
    Low prices come from competition, not government manipulation.
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    Patti WannaBe... November 01, 2009 12:32:08
    Patti
    in order for that to happen wanna, they need to put regulations back in place. Insurance and pharma with no regulations, is like saying kill kill kill them all. They exploit and when bush took away regulations, they put it to us all.
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    WannaBe... Patti November 01, 2009 12:47:25
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    Nothing Bush did was good.
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    Dwight Mann October 30, 2009 09:11:50
    Dwight Mann
    The Pelosi Puppet Show

    pelosi puppet
  • WannaBe... Dwight ... October 31, 2009 10:12:04
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    You can even see her strings, sometimes.
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    ɟʇʇoɔs October 30, 2009 06:01:12
    ɟʇʇoɔs


    From nancy pelosi?
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    Howard Beale II October 30, 2009 04:57:15
    Howard Beale II
    We need a Constitutional Amendment that defines the precise meaining of "Commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states..." as per Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3. This clause has become the universal loophole, to which these scoundrels claim that the Constitution gives them the power to do anything they damn well please. It is time to just say no, and force a clear cut definition of the commerce that warrants regulation under this clause.

    If the current interpretation by Pelosi and gang stands, the 10th Amendment is totally meaningless. But another way of looking at it is this: *IF* the interstate commerce clause is interpreted as meaning that congress has the authority to do whatever it wants, the 10th Amendment repeals and supercedes that authority. What think?
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    WannaBe... Howard ... October 30, 2009 05:31:50
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    Lemme get my glasses...
    Agreed, first paragraph. Socialists have mutated this clause far beyond it's original meaning... thus "Living Document".

    Reading from http://www.law.cornell.edu/co...
    "Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

    General welfare... that is where the problem begins, imho. The modern interpretation of welfare has everything to do with free money or financial assistance, as oppose to liberation from even such benign controls as this. When you are a ward of the State, Federal or otherwise, personal liberty is the first thing you must abdicate.
    The General Welfare is not enhanced by having millions of dependents sucking on the teat of the Feds... am I correct in that judgment?
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    Breeze WannaBe... October 30, 2009 15:47:12
    Breeze
    Where they go wrong is that the opening paragraph that you stated has 17 distict parts that make up the commerce/general welfare clause and even though it gives the power of regulation, it does not give the power to start and run a univeral health system.

    Where they have power and are failing, is the limitations by states on how many companies operate within those states. The fed could insist tommorrow that all insurance companies be allowed to operate in all 50 states, thus increasing competition.
  • WannaBe... Breeze October 31, 2009 10:13:23
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    I think you are absolutely correct. This not being able to across State lines is killing us... literally!
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    Breeze WannaBe... October 31, 2009 14:27:57
    Breeze
    Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:

    “ [The Congress shall have power] To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; ”

    Since Roosevelt packed the court they have misused this part of the commerce clause. It has done irreparable damage to this nation and until it is used correctly nothing changes.
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    WannaBe... Breeze October 31, 2009 21:29:46
    WannaBeRSC the Contrarian SOB
    Your assessment is accepted in toto.
    Now, Monday is coming up soon, and I expect every American to call Senators and Congresscritters and voice opposition to Cap and trade and ObamaCare.
    I figure my budget for the phone is already blown so I'll call like a banshee. :-)
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    Breeze WannaBe... November 01, 2009 02:06:52
    Breeze
    with you all the way

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