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FRANKLIN GRAHAM SAYS THAT "OBAMA IS SHAKING FIST AT GOD" DO YOU AGREE?

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  • Pat 2012/05/11 01:03:32
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    Pat
    +11
    No, if anyone is shaking their fist at their "God", it's the Republicans. They are bound and determined to hurt the most vulnerable among us, the poor, the disabled, the elderly and so many others who need help. It goes against everything Jesus spoke about caring for the poorest among us. They are Hypocrites.

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  • Pam smilinbobs 2012/05/11 01:48:26
    Pam
    +1
    Obama is just weird with some of the things he does. I don't really think he is atheist. I don't he likes God all that much though. He doesn't sing the national anthem, or put his heart to his chest when singing the national anthem, and when he spoke at a church he had someone cover the statue of Jesus. He is the first president to have ever done any of these strange things. I find him weird is all.
  • smilinbobs Pam 2012/05/11 02:22:20
    smilinbobs
    Fair enough, I think it is just part of the political deceit to make you think that he is a christian if you are christian or agnostic if you are not religious. It is all part of politics honest politicians are not successful normally
  • gvc smilinbobs 2012/05/11 02:01:20
    gvc
    Well luckily for us you are a minority.
  • smilinbobs gvc 2012/05/11 02:39:28
    smilinbobs
    Religion has no place in government but if we could go to Biblical law vs the current system maybe I could get me a couple of slaves. because biblical law has a greater morality.
  • gvc smilinbobs 2012/05/11 02:54:21
    gvc
    Religious people have every right to participate in government. Where in the world would you get the idea they shouldn't?
    Yeah I understand, Democrats loved slaves and no doubt would take us back to that era given the opportunity.
  • smilinbobs gvc 2012/05/11 03:13:50
    smilinbobs
    Religious people okay as long as they aren't trying to impose their religious values and beliefs on others.
  • gvc smilinbobs 2012/05/11 03:50:11
    gvc
    Know what Bob....you can't do a thing about it. Awwww too bad for you!
  • smilinbobs gvc 2012/05/11 03:57:22
    smilinbobs
    I have learned to live with things the way they are and I'm still smilinbob.
  • gvc smilinbobs 2012/05/11 03:59:08
    gvc
    +1
    For that I applaud you!
  • fisherman Pam 2012/05/11 01:17:51
    fisherman
    not much more of shock than his antics the first four years , only differnce is if he gets four more he will be able to set his dictatorship in stone . the only one gonna be surprised are his loyal followers .
  • James R... smilinbobs 2012/05/11 01:25:05
    James Rowntree
    +1
    I suspect that Hussein Obama has a much more crazy, greedy, spoilt lifestyle than Franklin Graham. Obama is stealing the money and lives of truly ignorant poor folks with zero remorse. Being a Narcisisst means never having to think of anyone else.
  • smilinbobs James R... 2012/05/11 01:46:50
    smilinbobs
    +1
    I don't see that perspective please explain! I see the usual politician sitting in the White House no better no worse. He claimed hope and change but we got the same old party affiliated politician.
  • James R... smilinbobs 2012/05/11 02:00:13
    James Rowntree
    Which part of my comment do you not understand?
    Anti-Christian folks are bashing Franklin Graham and falsely accusing him of taking money from the poor and ignorant to finance his rich lifestyle.
    That is just plain untrue. Obama, however, has run his whole political career on deceiving ignorant and poor folks and living the good life as much as he can on their backs. Obama supports gay anything. Graham does not. God does not.
    So Obama is going to get the response he is provoking from God.
  • smilinbobs James R... 2012/05/11 02:53:07
    smilinbobs
    Franklin Graham has a salary of 1.2 million a year plus the perks If supporting homosexuality would bring him more money you can bet he would be more supportive. You don't know that God is opposed to homosexuality. Jesus was most likely gay and you follow him as a religious leader. How ironic is that?
  • MorbidC... smilinbobs 2012/05/11 08:00:04
    MorbidCynic
    Jesus was asexual, perverted moron.
  • James R... MorbidC... 2012/05/11 19:24:53
    James Rowntree
    No, actually the Bible tells us that Jesus was fully man and fully God.
    He was a man, and so had the same, normal interest in women as any man.
    Difference is, Jesus did not sin.
  • MorbidC... James R... 2012/05/12 06:35:53
    MorbidCynic
    But he didn't do anything sexual with women.
  • James R... MorbidC... 2012/05/13 18:45:36
    James Rowntree
    Jesus did not sin... he was the perfect man, as Adam was when he was created, before he sinned. Jesus was certainly not a homosexual.
    And... God created Adam and Eve (the first marriage) NOT Adam and Steve.
  • smilinbobs MorbidC... 2012/05/11 20:40:37
    smilinbobs
    Just your theory because anything else may be uncomfortable for youIndications that Jesus did have a homosexual orientation:

    "In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.
    During the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, the author(s) of the Gospel of John describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand." 5

    On the other hand:
    Some commentators have suggested that it was a common practice in Judea at that time for heterosexual man to lay his head on another's undergarment. Such behavior was common between two heterosexuals in an emotionally close but non-erotic relationship during the first century CE. 6

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    Just your theory because anything else may be uncomfortable for youIndications that Jesus did have a homosexual orientation:

    "In the Gospel of John, the disciple John frequently refers to himself in the third person as 'the disciple whom Jesus loved'." 4 One might argue that Jesus loved all of his followers in a non-sexual way. Thus to identify Jesus' love for John in a special way might indicate a sexual relationship. The disciple was "the" beloved. He was in a class by himself.
    During the Last Supper before Jesus' execution, the author(s) of the Gospel of John describes how the "beloved" disciple laid himself on Jesus' inner tunic -- his undergarment. See John 13:25 and 21:20. Robert Goss, assistant professor of comparative religion at Webster University in St. Louis, LA, noted that Jesus and the beloved disciple: "... eat together, side by side. What's being portrayed here is a pederastic relationship between an older man and a younger man. A Greek reader would understand." 5

    On the other hand:
    Some commentators have suggested that it was a common practice in Judea at that time for heterosexual man to lay his head on another's undergarment. Such behavior was common between two heterosexuals in an emotionally close but non-erotic relationship during the first century CE. 6

    Jenny Stokes, research director for Saltshakers, a conservative Christian group in Australia, said that there are five words for love in Greek (the language in which the Gospels were written:
    Agape: spiritual, unconditional love,
    Eros: erotic love,
    Philia: love between friends,
    Storge: familial love.
    The Gospel references to "the disciple whom Jesus loved" use the word "agape." 3 Whether the authors originally used "eros" and the word was subsequently changed is open to speculation.


    "Jagannath" interprets the Gospels differently. He argues that Jesus may have been bisexual. He wrote:
    "In the Book of John a word is used eight times that means 'is in love with' with the implication of sexual intimacy. Five times it is used with reference to Jesus' relationship with John. Once it is used to define Jesus' relationship with Lazarus. And it is also used to describe his relationship with Mary and with her sister Martha." 7

    During the crucifixion, in John 19:26-28, Jesus is described as seeing his mother and an unidentified man: "the disciple standing by, whom he loved." Again, Jesus probably loved all of his 12 or 70 disciples in a non-sexual manner. But this particular disciple is identified as "the" disciple who Jesus loved. That might indicate a special intimate relationship with one special disciple.

    The late Morton Smith, of Columbia University reported in 1958 that he had found a fragment of a manuscript which at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem. It contained the full text of Mark, chapter 10. Apparently the version that is in the Christian Scriptures is an edited version of the original. Additional verses allegedly formed part of the full version of Mark, and were inserted after verse 34. It discusses how a young man, naked but for a linen covering, expressed his love for Jesus and stayed with him at his place all night. More details.

    "J Richards" suggested that Mark 7:14-16 shows that Jesus approves of homosexual acts. The critical phrase reads: "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him..." Richards suggests that Jesus gave great emphasis to this teaching, directing it to everyone. Richards suggests that the sentence refers to dietary laws and also extends to "blood transfusions, medication, organ transplants, and artificial insemination" and to homosexual acts as well. 8

    On the other hand, these words have historically been interpreted as overturning the Mosaic law about eating,

    Rollan McCleary, was awarded his doctorate from the University of Queensland in Australia during 2003-MAY for his work researching the sexual orientation of Jesus and his disciples. He obtained about $33,000 US in funding from the government to finance his degree. He concluded that Jesus and at least three of his disciples were gay. He based this conclusion on excerpts from the Gospel of John and on Jesus' astrological chart based on the approximate year, month, day and place where he was born. But not even the year of Jesus' birth is known. Many theologians have concluded that Jesus was born sometime in the Fall, between 4 and 7 BCE. Also, there is disagreement about where Jesus was born. Different theologians argue Bethlehem in Judea, Nazareth, and Bethlehem in the Galilee. The task of creating an astrological chart appears quite impossible. Dr. McCleary told Australian Broadcasting Commission radio that, in the past, "one or two queer theologians" had attempted to show Jesus was gay. "People haven't taken them very seriously because they don't have any evidence and they say things so sensationally that people are not really going to listen or just be very angry. What I'm doing is showing a much more theological and also astrological dimension on all this which will make a lot more sense to people." 9 He has written a book based on his doctoral thesis which was published in 2004. 18

    An anonymous webmaster wrote about a revelation that he received during her/his daily prayer and meditation:
    "Suddenly many aspects of the New Testament made sense. Jesus never married. He preached love, tolerance, and forgiveness of sins. He did not condemn and vilify as his so-called followers do today. He surrounded himself with men whom he loved. The Bible says nothing of Jesus' sexuality, yet we are taught that he was both divine and fully man. Why did he never marry? Why is the New Testament silent about his sexuality? It became so clear when I had the insight that Jesus was probably gay and that He understood hatred and bigotry first-hand." 10

    Unfortunately, this webmaster merely described a type of vision that he/she had and did not provide any supporting evidence. It is unlikely to be convincing to others. Unfortunately, the statement is no longer online.

    Mark 14:51-52 describes the incident when Jesus was arrested by the religious police. It describes how one of Jesus' followers was scantily dressed. The King James Version says he had a linen cloth cast on his naked body; the size and location of the cloth is not defined. The New International Version says that he was "wearing nothing but a linen garment." When the police tried to seize him, they were able to grab only his cloth; the man ran away naked. Reverend Peter Murphy wrote: "We don't know from the sources what really was going on, but we do know that something was very peculiar between Jesus and young men." 11 (Emphasis in the original.)

    Michael Kelly wrote of Jesus' attitude towards a same-sex couple as described in Matthew 8:5-13: and Luke 7:2: "One day a Roman Centurion asked him to heal his dying servant. Scholars of both Scripture and Ancient History tell us that Roman Centurions, who were not permitted to marry while in service, regularly chose a favorite male slave to be their personal assistant and sexual servant. Such liaisons were common in the Greco-Roman world and it was not unusual for them to deepen into loving partnerships....Jesus offered to go to the servant, but the centurion asked him simply to speak a word of healing, since he was not worthy to welcome this itinerant Jewish teacher under his roof. Jesus responded by healing the servant and proclaiming that even in Israel he had never found faith like this! So, in the one Gospel story where Jesus encountered people sharing what we would call a 'gay relationship,' we see him simply concerned about -- and deeply moved by -- their faith and love." Kelly implies that Jesus' sensitivity towards the gay couple might have arisen from his own bisexual or homosexual orientation. 1

    Some commentators argue from silence. They note that there is no passage in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) that directly describes anything about Jesus' sexuality. There are many direct and indirect references to Jesus' sensuality. He was accused of being a "drunkard and a glutton" and of partying with "prostitutes and sinners." He apparently enjoyed a tender foot massage from a woman. Yet, neither Jesus' sexuality nor his celibacy is mentioned. Yet, sex is referred to, elsewhere in the Bible, quite often. One might argue that the books in the Christian Scriptures might have once described Jesus' sexual relationships, but that these passages have been vigorously censored by the later church because they were unconventional.

    Other commentators have noted that Jesus is silent towards homosexuality in the Gospels. Yet, Paul's opinions and those of many other authors in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) are clearly stated. They conclude that Jesus might have been gay. Odler Jeanlouie speculated: "Is it meaningful that, in the Sermon on the Mount, central to his teaching, he offered a one-way trip to the Kingdom of God, to anyone who is persecuted?" 12
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  • MorbidC... smilinbobs 2012/05/12 06:37:02
    MorbidCynic
    Stop taking what the bible says out of context to support your views, the kkk does the same thing to justify their hatred of blacks, mexicans, and jews.
  • smilinbobs MorbidC... 2012/05/12 12:45:12
    smilinbobs
    I am not taking anything out of context in the Bible. I am just offering what it says as it is said. Just like the pastor,priest, or minister does. It's just that since you don't like the idea of same sex relationships you don't want to accept that reality. People have changed the reality of what the Bible says for hundreds of years when it is inconvenient for them. Examples people eat pork and shellfish which is forbidden in the Bible Christians don't keep the sabbath holy this breaks a covenant between Moses and God It is talked about much more in the Bible than homosexuality. Read through all of Leviticus and Deuteronomy and see how many of Gods laws you are guilty of not following every day. You'll be surprised
  • MorbidC... smilinbobs 2012/05/12 12:46:49 (edited)
    MorbidCynic
    You are taking the bible out of context since you're using it to make Jesus look gay, and I don't think he appreciates that.
  • smilinbobs MorbidC... 2012/05/13 00:54:51
    smilinbobs
    Prove to me that I am wrong so that I don't feel that it is true.
  • MorbidC... smilinbobs 2012/05/13 06:13:15 (edited)
    MorbidCynic
    Why don't you read the bible? And don't just pay attention to the parts you want and don't try to read into things that aren't there.
  • smilinbobs MorbidC... 2012/05/13 10:28:41
    smilinbobs
    I have spent years studying whole the Bible that's why I know what the truth is and most don't they just know what their pastor has told them they have never searched for the truth themselves. This sounds like you. If your eternal soul depends on something you should really devote some time and effort to it, I have
  • James R... MorbidC... 2012/05/13 18:47:38
    James Rowntree
    You are obviously reading far more into the Bible verses you cherry pick than is there, twisting it to suit your twisted agenda.
  • James R... smilinbobs 2012/05/13 18:47:13
    James Rowntree
    You are obviously reading far more into the Bible verses you cherry pick than is there, twisting it to suit your twisted agenda.
  • smilinbobs James R... 2012/05/14 22:52:20
    smilinbobs
    I'm just picking out the parts I need to prove my point which in a nut shell is that the Bible can be used to instill love or hate it is up to the reader. Using the Bible to hate homosexuals is the same at using the Bible to show that Jesus was a homosexual. If you don't like gay people it is your prerogative but don't say it's because God hates homosexuals and that somehow causes you to hate them. That is my agenda sorry nothing deep. Thanks James
  • James R... smilinbobs 2012/05/11 19:20:13
    James Rowntree
    You clearly have no idea who Jesus was, and is.
  • smilinbobs James R... 2012/05/11 20:51:03
    smilinbobs
    I do that is why I said what I said The Bible contains many references which indicate that Jesus was homosexual, Read my comment to Morbidcynic for my Biblical references. It shouldn't change anything except how you perceive homosexuality. Prove me wrong by showing me in the Bible where JESUS speaks against homosexuality.
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... smilinbobs 2012/05/11 01:56:25
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite
    http://www.sodahead.com/livin...
  • gvc ☥☽✪☾DAW... 2012/05/11 02:02:31
    gvc
    +1
    Same sex marriage has never been a Christian right.
  • MorbidC... gvc 2012/05/11 07:57:38 (edited)
    MorbidCynic
    +1
    DAW is a lunatic and doesn't know what he's talking about. And the cowardly jackass blocked me after saying 1 thing that apparently offended his spirituality even though I didn't mean to.
  • gvc MorbidC... 2012/05/11 15:05:58
    gvc
    No great loss. Clearly the dude is not dealing with a full deck.
  • MorbidC... gvc 2012/05/11 15:10:28
    MorbidCynic
    +1
    He even requested to be my friend (I accepted) cause he saw me on the leaderboard, I guess I should've known more about him first.
  • justfred 2012/05/11 00:52:30
    NO
    justfred
    +5
    Is marriage really supposed to be between one man and one woman? If that is the case, then why did many of the Patriarchs in the Bible have multiple wives?

    Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

    Try again.
  • Pam justfred 2012/05/11 01:08:45
    Pam
    That doesn't have anything to do with gay marriage.
  • justfred Pam 2012/05/11 16:46:39
    justfred
    Is marriage between one man and one woman, or not?
  • ☥☽✪☾DAW... justfred 2012/05/11 01:56:16
    ☥☽✪☾DAW ☽✪☾
    When Same-Sex Marriage Was a Christian Rite
    http://www.sodahead.com/livin...
  • Mopeder 2012/05/11 00:49:50
    NO
    Mopeder
    +5
    Graham is wacko, definitely wrong on this.

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