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Fox's Own Foreign Policy Expert Calls Them Out On Their Benghazi Lies

ProudProgressive 2012/11/26 19:39:11

It looks like the Right Wing Media's futile attempt to manufacture a scandal over the tragic events that occurred at Benghazi on September 11 are finally starting to wind down. John McCain received some healthy criticism from his own party after he left the rails entirely with his obsession over Susan Rice (apparently forgetting, as the American public hasn't, that the man responsible for choosing the most unqualified and incompetent person to ever appear on a national ticket is not someone whose opinion of Susan Rice anyone is going to care about). A number of Republicans have been backing away from their mad conspiracy theories. And when Fox "news" gets a little too much honesty from one of its own guest commentators, it's prety much time for the Right Wing to pack it in and move on to the next delusional vast conspiracy theories.

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Fox News Guest Slams Their Benghazi Coverage as GOP Propaganda
By: Jason Easley
November 26th, 2012

Fox News hosted Foreign Policy’s Tom Ricks with the hope of furthering their Benghazi conspiracy. Instead, Ricks suggested that Fox’s coverage of the story was due their operating as a wing of the Republican Party.

The segment was prefaced by a question about a White House Benghazi cover up, but Ricks wasn’t playing along. He called the Fox News coverage of Benghazi hype. Anchor Jon Scott asked how it could be called hype when the first US ambassador was killed in 30 years, and Ricks responded, “How many security contractors died in Iraq? Do you know?” Scott answered, “I don’t.” Ricks continued, “Nobody does, because nobody cared. We know that several hundred died, but there was never an official count done of security contractors dead in Iraq. So when I say this focus on what was essentially a small fire fight. I think number one, I’ve covered a lot of fire fights. It’s impossible to figure out what happened in them sometimes, and second I think that the emphasis on Benghazi has been political partly because Fox was operating partly as a wing of the Republican Party.”

What Ricks was essentially saying here is that Fox politicized Benghazi in order to help the Republican Party. In short, Fox News turned a serious event like Benghazi into Republican propaganda. Tom Ricks isn’t just some foreign policy writer. He has extensively covered the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and has written two of the best books that you will ever read on the subject, Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2003 to 2005, and The Gamble: General Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq.

It is always fun when Fox’s politicization and bias get called out on their own airwaves, but when the person doing the calling out carries the gravitas and expertise of Tom Ricks, the criticism carries even more weight.

When this sort of criticism occurs, the Fox News reaction is to publicly ignore it while retreating even more deeply into their echo chamber.

Tom Ricks probably won’t be back on Fox for a long time, if ever. In the future when they want to fan the flames of their faux foreign policy scandals like Benghazi, the network will turn to trusted propaganda hands like John Bolton to spread the seeds of propaganda to their shut in and intellectually shut out viewers.


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  • TombstoneJim 2012/11/26 19:56:18
    TombstoneJim
    +63
    Horse Feathers..... How many American Ambassadors died in Iraq....answer zero.

    How many request for boosted security where turned down in Iraq.....answer zero.

    I have been in several firefights myself.....and you can definitely tell if it's a mob action or a trained assualt....within seconds!!!! That from an infantryman, not some damn reporter.....ask a soldier if a mob cooridantes fire on specific targets, has large caliber RPGs at thier disposal and adjusts motar fire on a target.....guess what - they don't

    So, Tom - kiss my purple heart wearing ass so far as you being able to tell something about combat you idiot.

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  • Charge 2012/12/06 16:37:13
    Charge
    The United States has the world’s largest and (at $80 billion a year) best-funded intelligence services in the world — some 17 of them, in fact, including such lesser-known outfits as the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, which helped lead Seal Team Six to Osama bin Laden’s hideout in Pakistan, and the Defense Intelligence Agency.

    How much bang we’re getting for our buck from the big dogs of the intelligence community, though, is another matter — as the recent Libyan fiasco so vividly demonstrates.

    The deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were a moral and military disgrace, bespeaking a failure of nerve and judgment at the highest levels. With significant military assets just a couple of hours away, the men were left to die.

    Their deaths were a tragedy, but now the ensuing blame game threatens to devolve into farce.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/...
  • Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA 2012/11/28 01:21:08
    Adakin Valorem~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    PP, scrolling down the comments and reading the various linked reports from OTHER news and media reporting on this issue, it appears that Fox News is by no means cornering this market!

    In fact, it appears that the FBI spent more time rummaging through Lt Col Broadwell's personal home in Charlotte than they did in their forensic analysis of the attack on our Consulate in Benghazi... and it was CNN (not Fox) that spent FAR more time and effort to examine the Consulate site than did our own "investigation" by the FBI. Also, I seem to recall back in late September, that President Obama promised that the investigation would provide their report sometime around November 15th... and there was a minor clamor about that... as the date provided would be after the election. I'm sure it was just a coincidence... don't ya think?
  • AdmrlLocke 2012/11/27 22:00:29
    AdmrlLocke
    +2
    What if they gave a Progressive, and nobody came? :-D
  • Stix 2012/11/27 21:26:53
    Stix
    +4
    This is just more of the cover up conducted by the left. The people have a RIGHT to know what happened and why we were lied to by the administration and who authorized the lies. Plain and simple...we were lied do...why?
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/27 22:12:14
    Kaleokualoha
    +3
    EXACTLY what lies? Please quote them exactly with a reference link.
  • Stix Kaleoku... 2012/11/27 22:20:23
    Stix
    +3
    The administration sent Ms.Rice out 5 days after the attack to tell the American people on every Sunday news show that the attacks were because of a video, a demonstration happened which got out of control and our ambasador and three others wery killed...none of this was true...it was a lie to cover up the truth.
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/27 22:28:24 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    Once again: Please quote any so-called "lies" exactly with a reference link.

    NOTE: Just the lies, the whole lies, and nothing but the lies, please! Then we can discuss the accuracy of any such statements.
  • Stix Kaleoku... 2012/11/28 00:49:51
    Stix
    +3
    I have but you want to play child's games with me. If you are unaware of the facts stated above, then I have no time to get you up to speed.
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/28 01:09:55 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    You "have" WHAT? Do you believe that asking for actual quotes is a "child's game"?

    You may have paraphrased what you thought they MEANT, but you have not provided any ACTUAL quotations. FYI: A quotation is an actual statement enclosed in quotation marks. Here is an example of an ACTUAL quotation with reference link:

    "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...

    Your inability to substantiate any "lies" with actual quotations suggests they may just be figments of your imagination.
  • Stix Kaleoku... 2012/11/28 01:16:34
    Stix
    +3
    And you are a tool for the left...by denying the truth does not change it. I am not going to go look up quotes for you...everyone knows what Susan Rice did 5 days after the attack by Al-Qaida in Bengazi...even you know but you want to play games
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/28 01:28:25
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    Why the tap-dancing? tap

    YOU claimed there were lies, yet you cannot produce any such lies.

    Jumping to conclusions seems to be quite common in the fantasyland of the right-wing blogosphere. Such conclusions are drawn despite other likely explanations for the evidence presented. In the world of disinformation, speculation is misrepresented as fact.

    When asked to substantiate their conclusions, we may encounter bluster, red herrings, and ad hominem attacks more often than rational, focused answers. Military Intelligence students are quickly disabused of such behavior, and learn the value of supporting every conclusion they proffer. Researchers at the Rand Corporation and other highly regarded research institutions often come from such rigorous backgrounds, where conclusions are based on empirical evidence, rather than wishful thinking. It's a pity that blogosphere researchers and commentators are not held to similar high standards of accuracy.
  • Stix Kaleoku... 2012/11/28 02:20:18
    Stix
    +2
    Only someone who is afraid to discuss the truth would respond as you do...coward.
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/28 02:35:24 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    "Respond as I do" by asking for the truth through verifiable quotes? My, what an ACTIVE imagination! Still evading and tap-dancing, I see! tap

    As observed above, when asked to substantiate their conclusions, we may encounter bluster, red herrings, and ad hominem attacks more often than rational, focused answers.

    Once again: Please quote any so-called "lies" exactly with a reference link. No tap-dancing. Just the facts, Ma'am!
  • Stix Kaleoku... 2012/11/28 02:37:58
    Stix
    +2
    I don't have time for children...
  • Kaleoku... Stix 2012/11/28 02:40:08
    Kaleokualoha
    +3
    More ad hominem attacks? (Heavy sigh!) Just the facts, Ma'am. No more bluster, red herrings and ad hominem attacks. Stop tap-dancing. tap
  • Darnel Kaleoku... 2012/11/28 22:50:12
    Darnel
    Your point has been proven at the point when somewone else supports this inability to link sources but insist on things that are not true. Sigh.
  • Kaleoku... Darnel 2012/11/28 23:03:05
    Kaleokualoha
    Indeed! I can only imagine the frustration when each of them tries to locate an ACTUAL lie, but finds out instead that THEY have been misled. My intention is hold each of their feet to the fire.

    Although they probably have too much pride to admit that THEY have been snookered, those with more integrity will probably recognize the error of their ways. The others will continue to tap-dance.

    "If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters." - Alan Simpson
  • observer Stix 2012/11/28 02:06:50
    observer
    This is all they can do. Like this clown who pretends that he (or she) doesn't know what Rice, Hillary, and Obama kept saying for many days. They are desperate.
  • Charge Kaleoku... 2012/12/06 16:46:35 (edited)
  • Kaleoku... Charge 2012/12/06 18:30:06
    Kaleokualoha
    Sorry, not interested in videos. I am asking for verifiable quotations of any so-called "lies." Please quote any so-called "lies" exactly with a reference link. I am interested only in actual verifiable quotations that YOU claim are "lies." I am not interested in what you (or anyone else) may think he meant. Everything else is red herrings, evasion, and tap-dancing.

    NOTE: Just the lies, the whole lies, and nothing but the lies, please! Then we can discuss the accuracy of any such statements. Here is an example of an ACTUAL quotation with reference link:

    "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." - http://www.whitehouse.gov/the...
  • Charge Kaleoku... 2012/12/10 20:01:40
    Charge
    That quote is a lie.... when will "justice will be done" be carried out.... The Obama administration is a total Chicago cover up.
    The Obama administration has done nothing for the good of the country; simply they just attack the conservatives and advance their progressive agenda.
  • Kaleoku... Charge 2012/12/10 20:48:32
    Kaleokualoha
    Is that the BEST you got? How is predicting the future a "lie"?

    It should be obvious that "justice will be done" when the perps are captured.
  • Charge Kaleoku... 2012/12/14 16:02:20
    Charge
    They aren't trying to "capture" anyone.... lol!
  • Kaleoku... Charge 2012/12/14 16:06:42
    Kaleokualoha
    If you kill people other than those responsible for the attack, it's hardly "justice."
  • Charge Kaleoku... 2012/12/14 18:07:15
    Charge
    They aren't even interviewing, let alone Kill.... it's a joke.
  • AM 2012/11/27 20:41:38
  • Erin 2012/11/27 20:01:54 (edited)
    Erin
    +6
    Tom Ricks is not "Fox's own foreign policy expert." He is just one of many liberal writers/commentators Fox News interviews on many different topics. Both on the hard news shows (e.g., Fox Report with Bret Baier) and the opinion shows (e.g., O'reilly factor; On The Record) interviews are conducted with both conservative and liberal commentators. There are many, many liberal people interviewed on Fox's shows who disagree with the host or even say things to denigrate the network. This is nothing new. Try counting how many conservative people are interviewed on MSNBC. Not a whole heck of a lot.
  • Jack Sprat 2012/11/27 18:42:35
    Jack Sprat
    +2
    Almost right again PP ...... but on a brighter note, no more than usual .....

    Here's the real story ....

    ".Fox News Exec VP: Guest Who Slammed Network Apologized - But Not Publicly

    UPDATED: Author Tom Ricks accused the network of "hyped" Benghazi coverage; Fox News' Michael Clemente says Ricks apologized but "doesn’t have the strength of character to do that publicly." Ricks disputes.
    Fox News Channel is hitting back against a guest whose interview was ended after he accused the network of acting "as a wing of the Republican Party" in covering Benghazi.

    our editor recommends

    Fox News Tops Cable's Election Night Ratings, Growing From 2008Tom Ricks, a former Washington Post reporter and author of best-selling books Fiasco and The Generals, briefly spoke with FNC’s Jon Scott about the death of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya. In a brief interview, Ricks first said FNC "hyped" the embassy attack and said a bit later that "Fox was operating as a wing of the Republican Party" before Scott ended the interview.


    Michael Clemente, executive vp, news editorial at FNC, tells The Hollywood Reporter that Ricks dodged Scott's question ("When you have four people dead, including the first U.N. ambassador in more than 30 years, how do you call that ‘hype'?").

    “When Mr. Ricks ignored...







    Almost right again PP ...... but on a brighter note, no more than usual .....

    Here's the real story ....

    ".Fox News Exec VP: Guest Who Slammed Network Apologized - But Not Publicly

    UPDATED: Author Tom Ricks accused the network of "hyped" Benghazi coverage; Fox News' Michael Clemente says Ricks apologized but "doesn’t have the strength of character to do that publicly." Ricks disputes.
    Fox News Channel is hitting back against a guest whose interview was ended after he accused the network of acting "as a wing of the Republican Party" in covering Benghazi.

    our editor recommends

    Fox News Tops Cable's Election Night Ratings, Growing From 2008Tom Ricks, a former Washington Post reporter and author of best-selling books Fiasco and The Generals, briefly spoke with FNC’s Jon Scott about the death of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya. In a brief interview, Ricks first said FNC "hyped" the embassy attack and said a bit later that "Fox was operating as a wing of the Republican Party" before Scott ended the interview.


    Michael Clemente, executive vp, news editorial at FNC, tells The Hollywood Reporter that Ricks dodged Scott's question ("When you have four people dead, including the first U.N. ambassador in more than 30 years, how do you call that ‘hype'?").

    “When Mr. Ricks ignored the anchor’s question, it became clear that his goal was to bring attention to himself -- and his book," Clemente said in an e-mail to THR. "He apologized in our offices afterward but doesn’t have the strength of character to do that publicly."

    Several online outlets, meanwhile, have posted the testy interview, and Ricks told Politico he “saw some surprised faces in the hallway” after his interview with Scott. “One staff person said she thought I had been rude. My feeling was that they asked my opinion and I gave it.”

    In an email to THR, Ricks also disputes FNC's claim of a private apology.

    "Please ask Mr. Clemente what the words of my supposed apology were. I'd be interested to know," he said. "Frankly, I don't remember any such apology."

    In a statement to THR, Clemente says: "I'm surprised by the General’s utter dishonesty. I'll refresh his memory – what he said following the segment was, 'Sorry… I’m tired from a non-stop book tour.' Perhaps now he can finally get some rest."
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  • none 2012/11/27 18:08:00
    none
    +6
    Only an unAmerican fool can NOT be disgusted by what happened in Benghazi and NOT want answers. The deaths of our four Americans was a disgrace and the decision not to help came from the top.
  • Kaleoku... none 2012/11/27 22:13:29
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    You have been misinformed. There was NO "decision not to help."

    In addition to reinforcements sent from Tripoli to Benghazi, and reinforcements sent from the CIA annex to the consulate itself, a Quick Reaction Force was deployed from Europe to Sicily, but arrived too late to help with the consulate attack. Remember that the attack on the annex did not start until 4 hours later.

    Further, "there were no American forces poised and ready to move immediately into Benghazi when the attack began" (- http://www.armytimes.com/news... ). FYI: "No American forces" means "NO American forces"! "American forces" means air, ground, and naval forces. Capiche?
  • none Kaleoku... 2012/11/27 22:14:44
    none
    +2
    You are believing a BS story hook, line, and sinker.
  • Kaleoku... none 2012/11/27 22:45:58 (edited)
    Kaleokualoha
    +2
    Here's the timeline:

    [QUOTE]
    (CNN) -- The Pentagon released Friday an hour-by-hour timeline of the September 11 assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, highlighting when Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and senior commanders were informed of the attack and when decisions were made to move forces to assist. The release comes as the Obama administration is facing increasing questions over its response to the attack.

    September 11 (Events are listed using the time in Benghazi)
    9:42 p.m. -- Armed men begin their assault on the U.S. Consulate.
    9:59 p.m. -- A surveillance drone is directed to fly over the U.S. compound, but it is unarmed.
    10:32 p.m. -- The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."
    11 p.m. -- Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.
    11:10 p.m. -- The surveillance drone arrives over the Benghazi facility.
    11:30 p.m. -- All surviving U.S. personnel are evacuated from the consulate. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and State Depa...















    Here's the timeline:

    [QUOTE]
    (CNN) -- The Pentagon released Friday an hour-by-hour timeline of the September 11 assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, highlighting when Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and senior commanders were informed of the attack and when decisions were made to move forces to assist. The release comes as the Obama administration is facing increasing questions over its response to the attack.

    September 11 (Events are listed using the time in Benghazi)
    9:42 p.m. -- Armed men begin their assault on the U.S. Consulate.
    9:59 p.m. -- A surveillance drone is directed to fly over the U.S. compound, but it is unarmed.
    10:32 p.m. -- The Office of the Secretary Defense and the Joint Staff are notified of the attack by the National Military Command Center at the Pentagon. "The information is quickly passed to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey."
    11 p.m. -- Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey meet with President Obama at the White House where they discuss the unfolding situation and how to respond. The meeting had been previously scheduled.
    11:10 p.m. -- The surveillance drone arrives over the Benghazi facility.
    11:30 p.m. -- All surviving U.S. personnel are evacuated from the consulate. U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and State Department computer expert Sean Smith were killed in the initial assault.
    September 12
    Midnight to 2 a.m. -- Panetta and other senior leaders discuss possible options for further violence if it were to break out. Panetta gives verbal orders for Marine anti-terrorist teams from Rota, Spain, to prepare to deploy to Tripoli and Benghazi. Panetta also orders a special operations force team training in Croatia and an additional special operations force team in the United States to prepare to deploy to a staging base in southern Italy.
    1:30 a.m. -- A six-man security team from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli arrives in Benghazi.
    2:39 a.m. to 2:53 a.m. -- The National Military Command Center gives formal authorization for the deployment of the two special operations force teams from Croatia and the United States.
    5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.
    6:05 a.m. -- A C-17 aircraft in Germany is told to prepare to deploy to Libya to evacuate the consulate personnel.
    7:40 a.m. -- The first wave of Americans are evacuated to Tripoli via airplane.
    10 a.m. -- A second group, including those killed in the attack, are flown to Tripoli.
    2:15 p.m. -- The C-17 departs from Germany for the flight to Tripoli.
    7:17 p.m. -- The C-17 leaves Tripoli with the American consulate personnel and the bodies of Stevens, Smith, Woods and Doherty.
    7:57 p.m. -- The U.S. special operations force team based in Croatia arrives at a staging base in Italy.
    8:56 p.m. -- One of the Marine anti-terrorist teams from Spain arrives in Tripoli.
    9:28 p.m. -- The U.S.-based special operations force team arrives at its staging base in Italy.
    [END QUOTE http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09... ]

    What EXACTLY is BS, and what source(s) are more reliable?
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  • COMALite J Kaleoku... 2012/12/04 16:04:01
    COMALite J
    Reality is B.S., and only RWNJ sources are reliable, don’cha know.
  • Kaleoku... COMALite J 2012/12/04 19:03:41
    Kaleokualoha
    Indeed! Those delusional denizens of Right Wing Fantasyland must get some of their information from voices in their heads! tinfoil hat
  • DougE 2012/11/27 17:43:45 (edited)
    DougE
    +5
    Sorry PP, this doesn't prove anything other than Americans care more about NFL replacement refs than Americans dying. This is also personal opinion, not fact. Facts were ignored by most of the media, and just like the rest of the Progressive Agenda, you unethical pigs attack and try to change the message in order to downplay the damage done.
  • ALofRI 2012/11/27 17:03:10
    ALofRI
    JEEZ! Now Tom Ricks will UP the unemployment rate for this month! We didn't need THAT! Oh, well, the truth has consequences, just like elections. QUICK! CNN, MSNBC, SOMEBODY, pick him up before the FOX eats him!
  • exhon2009 2012/11/27 16:10:49
    exhon2009
    +4
    That Fox has some that are willing to buck the trend such as Geraldo is testament to the fact that they allow other views. If you want group think stick with main stream media or worse yet go to current tv and listen to the Algore sycophants.
  • kmay 2012/11/27 15:39:57 (edited)
    kmay
    +6
    So? This spin is pointless.

    He is a Liberal.

    Fox is fair and balanced even when they disagree with what is said, get it?

    They have many iberal 'daily' pundants doing the same as TR.
  • Ramsey ... kmay 2012/11/27 16:06:18
  • kmay Ramsey ... 2012/11/27 17:32:00
    kmay
    +5
    They why do they have opposing opinions like TR's and many others? Grow up.
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