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Yes they make a lot of money from Christian pilgrimages to see the holy land, but no freedom of religion.
"Anyone who preaches with the purpose of causing another person to change his religion is liable to three years imprisonment or a fine of NIS 50,000 (£9,000)"

So reads a bill proposed by Raphael Pinchasi which received its preliminary reading in the Israeli Knesset on Wednsesday 20th May 1998. Known as the 'anti mission' bill the legislation has caused considerable controversy, especially within the Israeli Messianic Community.

This is not the first time such legislation has been proposed in Israel. In December 1977 the first Anti Mission Law was quickly passed by the Knesset. No one had any warning of this and the timing, coinciding with Christmas, appeared more than coincidental. This penal law (5737-1977) made it an offence punishable by five years imprisonment to give a practical benefit as an inducement to change religion. Due to international criticism led by Church leaders throughout the world this law has never been enforced. The most recent legislation, proposed in 1997 by Nissim Zvili, which caused such a storm at the time now looks positively friendly to Christians by comparison.

In case there were any ambiguity or doubt as to the intention, Pinchasi's Bill adds this note, "the term we have translated "preach" (meytif) is very broad. It includes persuasion, encouragement, exhortation and the calling upon one to take a certain action. In essence, the proposed bill would proscribe all forms of persuasion, be they verbal, written, recorded or broadcast." The bill is actually quite specifically anti-Christian in that it makes reference to the creation of a new entity "united under the shadow of the cross". Raphael Pinchasi, a member of the religious Shas Party, recognises that it is "a very wide sweeping law which would include all activities in which preaching or the ability may be found in the slightest degree to influence a person to change his religion."
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Your a Christian so lets break it down.

"First they come up with separation of church and state"

We created a separation because history shows that if there is not, then religion eventually controls the state thus controlling those that inhabit the state, precisely one of the reasons the colonist left Britain in the first place, freedom of religion.

" now separation of church and TV."

This is all the cause of Christians themselves. As I have pointed out, Christians have fought to have all kinds of ads blocked due to the "nature" of it's content, and cry that they are being targeted. Then when they want something shown and it's blocked they do as you do. Say oh now we have separation of church and TV and this country is going down the toilet and Christians are being persecuted.

" All the religions should be able to teach what they want"

They do. You go to church do you not? Do you go to wednesday bible study? You can learn all about Christianity on the internet, preachers, your friends etc etc If you don't even like something they teach, their are over 38,000 denominations of your own religion to choose from, which may hold what you find as truth. So religion being able to teach what they want? They already do and it is "easily" available.

"all our schools should be able to teach the religion of the communities in which the exist, instead of no religion."

Now we are getting somewhere. They do this as well. In school they teach what they call ancient history. Where they teach about all religions and touch on key aspects of them as well. So they even teach religion in school!!!

Now the difference is that Christians don't want it taught as "history" they want it taught as truth.

Now let's go by what you say, "all our schools should be able to teach the religion of the communities in which the exist."

Now let's use what we know, and most fear. Muslims. Now lets use the same guidelines Christians use.

So in a Muslim community made up of 70 percent Muslim and 30 percent Christian. They decide to revamp there school books to teach the creation of the universe by God, according to Allah. They don't teach this class according to history, but as science in a science class room.

If you say yes:

Then you stand by your believes, and I admire that, however even this is to much for me to agree with.

If you say no:

Then you disprove everything that you have stated. Thus bringing us to position one, "why we have separation of church and state."

What does "make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof mean to you?
When this country was founded, the church had the responsibility of caring for the poor and teaching the young. Now the state has become inextricably intertwined in the work of the church and is daily assuming more of its duties and responsibilities until ultimately, more of our population will bow down and worship and look to the state for sustenance, then look to the Almighty.
When prayer and the Bible are found in the schools, and contested by the state, it isn’t the church in the wrong, but the state. All education has a religious point of view, either Christian or humanistic; therefore if anything, the state has no right to be involved.
A major reason for the American Revolution was to prevent a forced “state religion,” but now in direct conflict with the first amendment, which provides freedom of religion, not forced freedom from religion, the federal government is establishing a forced state religion through the public schools. Humanism, defined as a religion by the Supreme Court, is permitted, promoted and abetted, while any vestige of the Christian religion is vigorously restricted.
Separation of church and state you say? It’s in the Constitution you say? It isn’t in the Constitution and never was, unless you mean the Soviet Constitution. There it says: “In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the USSR is separated from the State, and the school from the church.” Every time you tell your neighbor how important it is to maintain a separation of church and state in this nation, you are aiding in the retreat of Christianity from every area of public responsibility and authority.
Christianity teaches that God is the highest authority. That God made man and the laws that govern man. Man then created the constitution, which created our form of government and set its parameters.
Humanism teaches that man evolved, that ethics are situational, that man is the highest authority. Under our Christian form of government, we have inalienable rights from God. Our president under the constitution is commander in chief of the armed services, while our civilian population has no king but Jesus.
Under a humanistic form of government, you would have only the rights granted by the man in power, and with no God, every man would do what was right in his own eyes. Abe Lincoln warned: “The philosophy of the classroom, is the philosophy of the government in the next generation.”
William Penn said: “A nation not governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.” George Washington said: “True religion affords government its surest support. The future of the nation depends on the Christian training of the youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible.”
It would appear that some in our court system desire the next generation to be humanist, with no one to answer to but themselves. What future do you prefer? We are “One nation under God.” If Christ is Lord, nothing is secular.

"What does "make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof mean to you?"

You have the ability to "freely exercise" your right all you want!!! Hints you can go to church and go to bible study, and get this kids can meet before school and pray together!!! FREE EXERCISE

You are taking that statement and using it to justify CHRISTIANS being able to not exercise but ENFORCE there believes. Like I dunno, force educators to teach creationism as science in the classroom.

Here is an example:

"The government has taken prayer out of school!"

The facts:

The government does not allow the school to lead students in a prayer, like the lords prayer, because guess what? They can fully do that on there own!! They don't need it institutionalized. Never mind the fact of Billy who may be a Jew, or Donna who may be a Muslim. According to you, damn them and what they want, JESUS is all they need.

"When this country was founded, the church had the responsibility of caring for the poor and teaching the young."

Oh really? Did they do this when they were not busy killing Indians? Or was that after they burned and tortured witches? I am completely confused? Oh never mind those were not "real" Christians. Only the ones that do good are the real ones. Never mind the fact that there were slaves that they just inexplicably did not help, and education was absolutely HORRIBLE!!! Woe as me though let us continue.

" All education has a religious point of view, either Christian or humanistic"

Do you even know the definition of "humanistic"? Here I will give it to you.

Humanistic:

1 a person having a strong interest in or concern for human welfare, values, and dignity.

2 a person devoted to or versed in the humanities.

3 a student of human nature or affairs.

4 a classical scholar.

Then you go on to say that humanism is a religion....hmmm

Religion: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Humanism: any system or mode of thought or action in which human interests, values, and dignity predominate.

So according to you, and this is YOU not me. If you make a decision to do something nice for someone, it's religious? Are you reading what you are TYPING!!!!!

Lets continue......

"but now in direct conflict with the first amendment, which provides freedom of religion, not forced freedom from religion"

Let's take just a snipping of this sentence....

"freedom of religion, not forced freedom from religion"

First, forced freedom, is an oxymoron.

Secondly it grants both if you actually think about it. Lets rewrite your statement.

"Freedom of religion and freedom from religion."

It grants both.

" the federal government is establishing a forced state religion through the public schools"

Well according to you anything human is pretty much a religion, so I could see where you see that.

" Humanism, defined as a religion by the Supreme Court, is permitted, promoted and abetted, while any vestige of the Christian religion is vigorously restricted."

Hmmmm... Humanism, art, music, history, science, literature.
Christianity, love, war, unity, division, peace, hatred.

Christianity = duplicity

Humanism = Education

So I pretty much hope they keep doing it.

" Separation of church and state you say? It’s in the Constitution you say? It isn’t in the Constitution and never was."

Absolutely hilarious that a Christian as yourself is using this as an argument. Well, give me one reference to Jesus or god in the Constitution. Seeming that this one document defines this country, where is the defining Jesus mention or God? Don't use the declaration now.....we all know it holds historical value but no legal value, and we are arguing the constitution. So where is you basis for god in the constitution? Seeming you want to hold true to it.

"Humanism teaches that man evolved, that ethics are situational, that man is the highest authority."

Man did evolve, you just don't accept it.

Ethics are situational.

Let me give you a scenario.

You are standing next to some train tracks. You look to your left and see a fork. On the fork to the right you see one man working on the tracks, to the left you see two men working on the tracks. Straight in front of you is a switch. You then see a train coming down the tracks from the left, it's going to fast!!! What do you do? Do you save the two men and kill the other by pulling the switch, do you kill the one man and kill the other two? Or do you do nothing and hope that something happens?

You see, there are a million different ways to judge how you would handle this "situation" and how you would morally justify your decision. Their is no OBJECTIVE moral compass that tells you what decision is the RIGHT one. Because if there was and morals were objective everyone would know the RIGHT answer.

Man is pretty much king of the roost here on earth, aside from nature and the universe.

"Under a humanistic form of government, you would have only the rights granted by the man in power, and with no God, every man would do what was right in his own eyes. "

This has been absolutely true since the birth of government and even religion. You are right wing conservative are you not? Then I bet you have at one point, pointed to socialism is EVIL, yet right now, that is exactly what you want. A theocratic socialist utopia!!!! Where God controls ALL!!

Let's take your utopia though.

God doesn't speak to everyone, not like I can speak to you. He doesn't just walk around, and make speeches in public or go to congress and address the state of the union. So then how will we know gods will? Well we have to look at the Bible!! Yet, which version do we take, and which interpretation do we use to make our laws!?

Well that is something that Christians used to be good at. You kill the one that you don't agree with in the name of God. Then when you have the military and the support, your view is then the "correct" view.

Sounds almost, well absolutely identical to the version of what you call humanistic government.

Then you go and use some awesome quotes!!!

Abe Lincoln, "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession."

William Penn, "Inquiry is human; blind obedience brutal. Truth never loses by the one but often suffers by the other." (Sound humanistic to me)

George Washington, "Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by a difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

Seeming that Washington liked liberal thought, and relished the humanities.

Liberal meaning free, please don't make that mistake.

If Christ is Lord, nothing is secular. Our actions and choices are tempered by our faith. We are here as Christs ambassadors, our job, car, shopping, drinks are all side issues. This world is not our home.

What is your interpretation of the first Amendment? If you are going to give all religions equal sway in our government, then if reincarnation is included you get starvation because you can’t eat your relatives. If Humanism is chosen, then schools lose all mention of God, and in one generation you have a humanist government. If some Muslim religions take sway then all infidels must die. If a Talmudic background then sodomy, bestiality, euthanasia, become law, and if we are seen as “goyins” or animals, then abortion becomes legal on all considered goyins. Now because the Christian religion has been banned from the public schools, non-Christian belief systems rather then the common law are staking a claim to the first amendment, and as a result we get Supreme Court decisions supporting homosexuality, pederasty, euthanasia, abortion, etc. If anything, the government should get out of education since all education has a religious bent one way or another, and allow the churches and parents to teach the young as they choose. Lincoln warned: “The philosophy of the classroom, is the philosophy of the government in the next generation.”
Washington said: “True religion affords government its surest support. The future of the nation depends on the Christian training of the youth. It is impossible to govern without the Bible.”

Your talking in circles, as well as taking things way to literally.

"If you are going to give all religions equal sway in our government"

When did I say this?

This is what I said, "Yet in this country we can coexist with laws that validate both without singling out one or the other."

We have a constitution, that is where religion of any sort ends and the Republic begins.

As far as education is concerned, you are basically saying that education itself is a religion!! That any believe is in fact a religion!! Science, history, math, literature, music and art are all a RELIGION!! Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

" non-Christian belief systems rather then the common law are staking a claim to the first amendment"

However you said this before,

"Now because the Christian religion has been banned from the public schools"

First Christianity has never been "banned" from school. That is a laughable claim. Secondly you are only upset because Christian values, your values are not being followed. If they were would you have a complaint? Of course not.

So get the government out of school? Ok, so if we enact this tomorrow, and go as you say. I live in a predominate Christian community. My kids whom I don't want to learn about just Christian values need to go to school. Where would they go? There would be no schools that teach a wide range of believes and keep a secular nature about them. What should I do? I can't home school, I work. I can't send them to school to be taught school according to Christians. So my only option would be to move? Move my career, my family, my home? All so you can have what you want? Does that sound anything American to you sir? It sounds selfish and absolutely disgusting. That is why government is in our schools, so that does not happen.

As far as your quotes, they really have no meaning to me, seeming that I can find quotes from the exact same figures against your position, so it is completely pointless.

On a last note, freedom. What does that mean to you? If homosexuals were to freel be allowed to marry and have sex all they wanted, how does this infringe upon your rights? How about people who want to be euthanized due to extreme pain from cancer? How does this infringe upon your rights.How about reincarnation, which they don't starve, wanted to starve themselves, how does this infringe upon your rights?

With it be school, religion, marriage and believes, seems that you are the one wanting to infringe your rights on them. Staking a claim in their life's for your God. Yet who gives you the right? Not the government. That is absolutely certain.

Oh let me destroy this statement. The Constitution says "their" "Creator" not once does it mention "God" and its says "their" not "ours" not " the". Furthermore the words "Under God" were added to the pledge in 1954, the original pledge pr the revised ones up to that point contained no mention of god, same goes for money as well. Homosexuals have exisited because they are biologically program that way not bexause they convert others to homosexuals you moron. Fun fact the pedophiles are largely heterosexual Christian males. Pedophile pick their targets based on ease of access and control they're predators. Pedophile and homosexual are not the same. Anpther fun fact hetrosexuals are the largest aids population and the biggest spreader of it in the world AND the U.S. more specifically hetrosexual males are. Fun fact lesbians have a near zero chance of spreading aids and most other STDs. And who do I think wrote math, science, history, literature, art, and music? Mostly non-Christians. The Greeks made great strides as well as the Egyptians, the Arabians brought the concepts of math and the concept of zero to the west. China had great art amd philosophy as well. What did a Christian Europe bring? About 600 yearso f the darkest bloodest time in human history rightly called the dark ages. It was Christians who refutted that the wprld was round and ot was Christians who locked a man in his house for the remainder of his natura life because he correctly suggested that the solar system was heliocentric. Religion esp. the Abrahamic ones supress the human sepecies. If ypu had it your way we'd still be living in the Dark Ages.