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  • HOMBRE 2012/05/03 22:50:38
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    HOMBRE
    +24
    Look how fast the libtards fell for global warming now they saying wait a minute we need more time to study this. Libtards doctored up studies on weather how many times even changed the wording on the weather warming. Obama was ready to jump on with cap and trade just a excuse to tax us. Now libtards trying to poke at fox on weather this is just great for the evening laugh. fred sanford bigg dummy

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  • rosesve... Mrs. ma... 2012/05/04 01:23:33
    rosesvengeance BN-0
    +2
    read them but the increased heat a windmill causes is different then what happens in your comment about how a fan blowing on frozen meat thaws it faster.
  • Mrs. ma... rosesve... 2012/05/04 01:31:43 (edited)
    Mrs. maggot
    If you read the links, then you understand the principle and your insinuation that FOX is misreporting is a blatant lie.

    I don't subscribe to FOX, but I can easily see that this story did not originate with that organization.

    This post is a baiting post to attack FOX and nothing more.
  • rosesve... Mrs. ma... 2012/05/04 01:32:21
    rosesvengeance BN-0
    +2
    lol I didn't make this poll
  • Mrs. ma... rosesve... 2012/05/04 01:38:18
    Mrs. maggot
    Excuse me, I don't take kindly to people calling me a moron. I will change my reply to reflect that you had no part in it.
  • JaguarS... Mrs. ma... 2012/05/04 03:06:30
    JaguarSocialist
    +1
    Fox News should be attacked since it's hosts broadcast so many damn lies it's difficult to keep track of them. Fox News viewers are badly misinformed and appear to believe the most outlandish lies.
  • Mrs. ma... JaguarS... 2012/05/04 11:38:48
    Mrs. maggot
    It seems to me that ALL the news outlets have fallen by the wayside. Haven't watched any of them in years. Since we don't have cable or satellite, the only time I've ever seen FOX News is at a motel when traveling.
  • apachehellfire65 2012/05/04 00:59:43
    no
    apachehellfire65
    +4
    in truth the heat generated by a large amounts of wind turbines is measurable in the area around the wind field.
  • lee apacheh... 2012/05/04 01:15:31
  • apacheh... lee 2012/05/04 01:32:25
    apachehellfire65
    so a big enough heat plume can effect local climate.
  • lee apacheh... 2012/05/04 01:39:24
    lee
    +1
    Commenting on the study, Steven Sherwood, co-director of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales in Australia, said: "Daytime temperatures do not appear to be affected. This makes sense, since at night the ground becomes much cooler than the air just a few hundred metres above the surface. The wind farms generate gentle turbulence near the ground that causes these to mix together, thus the ground doesn't get quite as cool." (Edited by Pravin Char)
  • apacheh... lee 2012/05/04 01:47:17
    apachehellfire65
    ok? now who's to say he is right? fifty years ago EVERYONE thought fossil fuels where perfectly safe.being from the climate change research center. i think it would be logical to assume he thinks climate change is a major problem. it is also logical to assume he would be less likely to find fault with what he accepts as a green energy.
  • lee apacheh... 2012/05/04 22:49:03
    lee
    right, he's probably one of those dirty scientists....

    we know how THEY are.
  • apacheh... lee 2012/05/04 23:42:01
    apachehellfire65
    to a degree yes! i mean who is this guy? i have never heard of him. is he some big shot in the climate change community? and even if he is what proof does anyone have that he is right? and what are his credentials to speak on this subject? is he a world renowned expert on wind turbines?
  • lee apacheh... 2012/05/04 23:58:28
    lee
    this is why I'm critical of the Reuters reporting... the only get around to looking at the other side of the "story" at the very END of the piece and then don't do ANY of the followup questions that you just asked.

    but you do have his name... look him up... i bet he's well known climate scientist who knows what he's talking about.
  • Little Angel 2012/05/04 00:54:15
    yes
    Little Angel
    +2
    Of course most things they come up with are really dumb so
    that's why I don't watch them!
  • Old Salt Little ... 2012/05/04 01:02:20
  • lee Old Salt 2012/05/04 01:17:49
    lee
    +3
    they are too smart for THAT... they just know their misinformed audience will think that wind farms cause global warming... just like immigrants cause global warming...

    oh, you didn't know?

    you must have missed your NewsCorp memo.
  • Old Salt lee 2012/05/04 01:53:15
  • lee Old Salt 2012/05/04 22:50:02
    lee
    do you understand that they do NOT?

    did you know they sued for and won the right to LIE to their news consumers?
  • Old Salt lee 2012/05/04 23:50:46
  • Stryder 2012/05/04 00:52:55
    no
    Stryder
    +8
    They just reported on the story. It was a scientist who's making the claim.
  • Old Salt Stryder 2012/05/04 01:00:38
  • Stryder Old Salt 2012/05/04 01:07:23
    Stryder
    +4
    The left foams at the mouth at any opportunity to bash FOX. Whether or not it's for a legitimate reason has no bearing. But that's the liberal m.o.. Open mouth first....think later.
  • Old Salt Stryder 2012/05/04 01:55:38
  • 3003573 2012/05/04 00:50:51
  • Old Salt 3003573 2012/05/04 00:59:35
  • 3003573 Old Salt 2012/05/04 01:11:13
  • HOMBRE 3003573 2012/05/04 01:29:38
    HOMBRE
    +1
    You didnt need fox. i BET YOU SELF TAUGHT. LOL
  • Old Salt HOMBRE 2012/05/04 02:00:40
  • HOMBRE Old Salt 2012/05/04 02:06:47
    HOMBRE
    +1
    Bet he living in Mama basement
  • Gwen HOMBRE 2012/05/04 03:12:10
    Gwen
    +2
    if one thinks that a " source " is other people's blogs about a topic...and..multiple postings of blog sites...makes something suddenly real..versus real data............then...it is probably hopeless to explain anything...
  • Old Salt 3003573 2012/05/04 01:59:19
  • Gwen Old Salt 2012/05/04 03:10:02
    Gwen
    +1
    actually....it is hilarious to look at the "study" ....cough cough...from over 2 years ago from an agenda organization....hilarious....... mult posts..are just blog citings...commenting about the same study...

    Let's take a look at that study from a very politically biased organization and their data...from 2010 that they led them to believe respondents were mis-informed...

    Re Fox viewers..and the " study " from 2010...that was stated to prove mis-information....this is now hilarious.

    91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs. ( ever heard of Solyndra?...let alone the loss in overall jobs since then...um...when the unemployment numbers go up...duh...people tend to think jobs are lost....duh. )
    72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit. ( well duh...that has been confirmed )
    72% believe that the economy is getting worse. ( um...I think people who don't think the economy is worse are the mis-informed...)
    60% believe that climate change is not occurring. ( "climate change"...can't blame people for being sick of the ever CHANGING moniker....to fund AL GORE...)
    49% believe that income taxes have gone up. ( well...since we had to ALL the way to December...to learn that Obama was going to keep the tax cuts in place...then ...yes..the perception was they went ...



    actually....it is hilarious to look at the "study" ....cough cough...from over 2 years ago from an agenda organization....hilarious....... mult posts..are just blog citings...commenting about the same study...

    Let's take a look at that study from a very politically biased organization and their data...from 2010 that they led them to believe respondents were mis-informed...

    Re Fox viewers..and the " study " from 2010...that was stated to prove mis-information....this is now hilarious.

    91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs. ( ever heard of Solyndra?...let alone the loss in overall jobs since then...um...when the unemployment numbers go up...duh...people tend to think jobs are lost....duh. )
    72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit. ( well duh...that has been confirmed )
    72% believe that the economy is getting worse. ( um...I think people who don't think the economy is worse are the mis-informed...)
    60% believe that climate change is not occurring. ( "climate change"...can't blame people for being sick of the ever CHANGING moniker....to fund AL GORE...)
    49% believe that income taxes have gone up. ( well...since we had to ALL the way to December...to learn that Obama was going to keep the tax cuts in place...then ...yes..the perception was they went up.)
    63% believe that the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts. ( it didn't for middle class working people watching their paycheck...)
    56% believe that Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout. ( Pres. Obama took credit for it....why wouldn't people think that? )
    38% believe that most Republicans opposed TARP. ( This Reg. Independent knows better..)
    63% believe that Obama was not born in the US (or that it is unclear). ( gave a whole lot of people something to be distracted about...perpetuated by the incompetent administration that couldn't get their act together and pony up the paperwork for years...stupid )
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  • Old Salt Gwen 2012/05/04 20:21:01
  • Gwen Old Salt 2012/05/04 21:29:49
    Gwen
    I think you need to re-read my responses....I think you would see that WE are actually on the "same thoughts" team.....

    I am hardly a paid blogger...and I think it is important to assume someone has something important to say that they think....versus starting off with an initial attack...based on a a mis-perception. Hombre got it.
  • Gwen 3003573 2012/05/04 03:06:38
    Gwen
    +2
    seems a little overkill to post multiple "blogs" about ONE biased study...."study"....in the very loose sense of the word....

    Let's take a look at that study from a very politically biased organization and their data...from 2010 that they led them to believe respondents were mis-informed...

    Re Fox viewers..and the " study " from 2010...that was stated to prove mis-information....this is now hilarious.

    91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs. ( ever heard of Solyndra?...let alone the loss in overall jobs since then...um...when the unemployment numbers go up...duh...people tend to think jobs are lost....duh. )
    72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit. ( well duh...that has been confirmed )
    72% believe that the economy is getting worse. ( um...I think people who don't think the economy is worse are the mis-informed...)
    60% believe that climate change is not occurring. ( "climate change"...can't blame people for being sick of the ever CHANGING moniker....to fund AL GORE...)
    49% believe that income taxes have gone up. ( well...since we had to ALL the way to December...to learn that Obama was going to keep the tax cuts in place...then ...yes..the perception was they went up.)
    63% believe that the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts. ( it did...


    seems a little overkill to post multiple "blogs" about ONE biased study...."study"....in the very loose sense of the word....

    Let's take a look at that study from a very politically biased organization and their data...from 2010 that they led them to believe respondents were mis-informed...

    Re Fox viewers..and the " study " from 2010...that was stated to prove mis-information....this is now hilarious.

    91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs. ( ever heard of Solyndra?...let alone the loss in overall jobs since then...um...when the unemployment numbers go up...duh...people tend to think jobs are lost....duh. )
    72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit. ( well duh...that has been confirmed )
    72% believe that the economy is getting worse. ( um...I think people who don't think the economy is worse are the mis-informed...)
    60% believe that climate change is not occurring. ( "climate change"...can't blame people for being sick of the ever CHANGING moniker....to fund AL GORE...)
    49% believe that income taxes have gone up. ( well...since we had to ALL the way to December...to learn that Obama was going to keep the tax cuts in place...then ...yes..the perception was they went up.)
    63% believe that the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts. ( it didn't for middle class working people watching their paycheck...)
    56% believe that Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout. ( Pres. Obama took credit for it....why wouldn't people think that? )
    38% believe that most Republicans opposed TARP. ( This Reg. Independent knows better..)
    63% believe that Obama was not born in the US (or that it is unclear). ( gave a whole lot of people something to be distracted about...perpetuated by the incompetent administration that couldn't get their act together and pony up the paperwork for years...stupid )
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  • 3003573 Gwen 2012/05/04 04:25:46
  • Gwen 3003573 2012/05/04 12:21:02
    Gwen
    your sources.....cough...Do you honestly think that a "poll" as many of these are....and suddenly they are a " study " because they say so......based on their assessment of a few hundred people about what they know or don't know about a foreign policy issue for example....reflects the intelligence of people across the nation and based on what news organization they watch?

    I will say that people are generally ill-informed overall, ie...have no clue who their representative is...couldn't name the Speaker of the House, the Senate Majority leader...

    re the stimulus "legislation".... stimulus...that was a boon...such as Solyndra....there are many. Fiskhar, Chevy Volt, to name a couple more...
    I respect Ford for not taking stimulus monies....companies need to sink or swim on their own ( unless there is a national security issue...such as the airlines for example)

    Re the stimulus ....guess those 91% were ahead of their time...with a more current estimate by the CBO:
    "The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday downgraded its estimate of the benefits of President Obama’s 2009 stimulus package, saying it may have sustained as few as 700,000 jobs at its peak last year and that over the long run it will actually be a net drag on the economy.

    CBO said that while the Recovery Act boosted the eco...




















































    your sources.....cough...Do you honestly think that a "poll" as many of these are....and suddenly they are a " study " because they say so......based on their assessment of a few hundred people about what they know or don't know about a foreign policy issue for example....reflects the intelligence of people across the nation and based on what news organization they watch?

    I will say that people are generally ill-informed overall, ie...have no clue who their representative is...couldn't name the Speaker of the House, the Senate Majority leader...

    re the stimulus "legislation".... stimulus...that was a boon...such as Solyndra....there are many. Fiskhar, Chevy Volt, to name a couple more...
    I respect Ford for not taking stimulus monies....companies need to sink or swim on their own ( unless there is a national security issue...such as the airlines for example)

    Re the stimulus ....guess those 91% were ahead of their time...with a more current estimate by the CBO:
    "The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday downgraded its estimate of the benefits of President Obama’s 2009 stimulus package, saying it may have sustained as few as 700,000 jobs at its peak last year and that over the long run it will actually be a net drag on the economy.

    CBO said that while the Recovery Act boosted the economy in the short run, the extra debt that the stimulus piled up “crowds out” private investment and “will reduce output slightly in the long run — by between 0 and 0.2 percent after 2016.” http://www.washingtontimes.co...


    Re PPACA:
    Blogs like Huff Post, and name your op-eds...are still opinion.

    I respect opinions by Physicians more than those...

    "The Impact of the Affordable Care Act
    On the Economy, Employers, and the Workforce
    Paul Howard, PhD
    Senior Fellow and Director
    Center for Medical Progress
    Manhattan Institute for Policy Research

    "Unfortunately, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is not the solution to our health
    care woes. If anything, the Affordable Care Act ―doubles down‖ on many of the worst aspects of our
    current system, while adding new cost pressures and problems that will serve as a drag on economic
    growth and job creation for years to come.

    I believe that the negative economic impacts of the Affordable Care Act can be separated into
    three broad categories:
     PPACA will Increase the Deficit, Not Reduce It
     PPACA will Increase Insurance Costs and Reduce Employment
     Regulatory Uncertainty under PPACA will Hinder Job Creation
    In turn, I will discuss why the Affordable Care Act is much more likely to increase the deficit than reduce it; explain how the mandates, taxes, and penalties that it imposes on insurers and employers will
    increase health care costs and decrease employment; and conclude by exploring the negative effects of
    regulatory uncertainty at a time when companies are ―sitting‖ on trillions of dollars in cash that could
    be used for job creation.
    PPACA WILL INCREASE THE DEFICIT, NOT REDUCE IT"
    http://edworkforce.house.gov/...

    "Projected Medicare costs over 75 years are substantially lower than they otherwise would be because of provisions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, as amended by the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (the "Affordable Care Act" or ACA). Most of the ACA-related cost saving is attributable to a REDUCTION IN ANNUAL PAYMENT updates for most Medicare services (other than physicians’ services and drugs) by total economy multifactor productivity growth, which the Trustees project will average 1.1 percent per year. The report notes that sustaining these payment reductions indefinitely WILL REQUIRE UNPRECEDENTED EFFICIENCY-ENHANCING INNOVATIONS IN HEALTH CARE PAYMENT AND DELIVERY SYSTEMS THAT ARE BY NO MEANS CERTAIN will require unprecedented efficiency-enhancing innovations in health care payment and delivery systems that are by no means certain. In addition, the Trustees assume an almost 31-percent reduction in Medicare payment rates for physician services will be implemented in 2013 as required by current law, which is also highly uncertain.

    Re the costs...from the trustees....on SS and Medicare ( which is directly affected by the PPACA)
    please note that the report indicates these reductions...or "savings"...will come because of the reduction of payments to....AND reduction in services.

    YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BEST POSSIBLE SPIN ON THEIR OWN POLICY...NO ADMIN IS ANY DIFFERENT.....

    BY THEIR ON WORDS....signed by T.GEITHNER ( Mr. I can't figure out Turbo Tax or have the integrity to do my own taxes right..Geithner...)

    the only reduction...er savings...will be reduction in CHOICE, SERVICES...and ESSENTIALLY FREEDOMS TO DETERMINE OUR OWN HEALTH CARE DESTINY...versus moving into cost to benefit tables that determine whether we are "worthy" of a procedure or not when we are older, or disabled...

    http://www.ssa.gov/oact/TRSUM...

    Re taxes:.....we are spending too much....i.....because 50% do not pay ANY INCOME TAXES...
    We cannot sustain a system where 1/2 of the people have no scratch in the game....
    save me the I don't care about the poor....( we really have no idea what poor is in this country for the most part as compared to the rest of the world ) My income is considered just above poverty...but I have a home, a car, and Dish sateliite, my son is in grad school, have a disabled child we care for at home...

    We have created a system that is gradually shifting our own decision making with our own money to a socialistic or worse system.



    gotta head to work.....
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  • 3003573 Gwen 2012/05/04 21:01:19
  • Gwen 3003573 2012/05/04 22:25:21
    Gwen
    IF you do not believe the Congressional Budget office's own report....and would choose a blog about the report over the CBO report...that I posted...then I shouldn't continue...there isn't a point.

    The sites I posted are directly from the document..."31% reduction of Medicare payments".....

    I do not think physicians are overpaid by Medicare....The natural fall out ...if I were a physician...is that I would decide not to see Medicare patients...

    "CBO and JCT estimated that enacting PPACA and the health-related provisions of the Reconciliation Act would reduce federal deficits by $124 billion over the 2010-2019 period."

    IF THAT IS EVEN ACCURATE...AND I AM NOT BUYING IT....they have recalculated and recalculated....and the program hasn't even begun yet!!...and the savings have already been reduced...

    do you see how utterly dismal that would be?....can you do the math...12 billion a year...is not even a drop in the bucket....to the deficit we have now...let alone the debt we would have by 2019.....and this is a HUGE program....that ultimately should have more of a positive impact.

    AARP cannot wait to have it implemented....you do realize they stand to make billions ....as an insurance provider...

    When has govt...ever ever EVAH simplified things....

    I work for the govt...h.s.teacher/scho...








































    IF you do not believe the Congressional Budget office's own report....and would choose a blog about the report over the CBO report...that I posted...then I shouldn't continue...there isn't a point.

    The sites I posted are directly from the document..."31% reduction of Medicare payments".....

    I do not think physicians are overpaid by Medicare....The natural fall out ...if I were a physician...is that I would decide not to see Medicare patients...

    "CBO and JCT estimated that enacting PPACA and the health-related provisions of the Reconciliation Act would reduce federal deficits by $124 billion over the 2010-2019 period."

    IF THAT IS EVEN ACCURATE...AND I AM NOT BUYING IT....they have recalculated and recalculated....and the program hasn't even begun yet!!...and the savings have already been reduced...

    do you see how utterly dismal that would be?....can you do the math...12 billion a year...is not even a drop in the bucket....to the deficit we have now...let alone the debt we would have by 2019.....and this is a HUGE program....that ultimately should have more of a positive impact.

    AARP cannot wait to have it implemented....you do realize they stand to make billions ....as an insurance provider...

    When has govt...ever ever EVAH simplified things....

    I work for the govt...h.s.teacher/school nurse....I am employed by the trifecta of complicated buearacracy...education/healt...

    I do not see the govt doing it better that individuals and private organizations cannot do better and certainly cheaper. This is true in just about any type of business or even educational results like home-schooling. The more layers that become in place...the less accountable people are ..spending other peoples' money.

    My first experience with this ...was a program thru Medicaid that is supposed to help schools off-set some of the costs with educating students with health and special needs. We are allowed to bill medicaid for services that are provided..with documentation...
    Examples are..transportation, medication, procedures provided etc....
    The thing is...not only do I do the billing side for my small rural school...I have a disabled child ...that attended a different school ( when she was in school--about 3 years ago)
    I hope you will stay with me on this...it is long and complicated....I am not going to copy and paste a bunch of stuff...
    If you can respond to some of these personal issues...i may know you are not a sock...
    Back to my daughter...she is non-verbal..wears diapers...but CAN walk and would travel on a typical yellow school bus with a 4-point harness seatbelt for her safety. She would not have an associate assigned to just her...Most of the years of her traveling on the bus from the school down the road from where I work...which is just like the one in the district we live in essentially..she traveled on the bus with just the driver and about 9 other students who have a variety of needs that were met in Waterloo Iowa.
    Ok...if you have private insurance ( we do thru my work, husband farms )...you actually SEE the billing done to Medicaid because it must go to private insurance first..be denied..and then it is moved on to Medicaid..( nothing unusual about that )
    I personally do the billing for our district..because It saves our district money by me doing it or absorbing it into my duties...versus paying some company 15% or so to do the paperwork.
    Our home district....where our daughter was served by...chose to use a billing agency..that would file paperwork...and then take a 15% cut. Since our home district turns over their paperwork to the agency...there is no one really accountable for the integrity of it...they just sit back and wait for a check from Medicaid, or Iowa Medicaid Enterprise..( IME )
    Ok...in 2010...we receive EOB statements ( explanation of benefits ) that you receive whenever one's insurance is billed. And guess what...our insurance is being billed for around $1800 per month for transportation....( that's right...the bus ride ) At first thought..I thought...oh my,....someone got their billing coding all wrong...they are charging as if it is an ambulance...or whatever...( remember I do this too...so I am not just a bystanding parent.--and even tho the money does NOT directly come out of my pocket...I think whoa....what is up.)
    I call the school...they have no idea...remember they are not doing the billing....
    Since private insurance has denied it...( like duh ) then it is passed onto Medicaid where it is paid out like water...
    I call the agency doing the billing. I explain my concerns...I am still thinking that this is all a big whoops...that I will describe my daughter...explain her situation..that yes..she is disabled..and yes she does travel about 23 mi one way to a PUBLIC school ( that already receives our education tax dollars) but that helps with students like her...
    days later...I get a call from the owner of the company....DANN STEVENS ( this won't mean anything to you...but I will continue to shout out this perpeptuator of fraud to the taxpayers of Iowa....smoozing me...and implying that I do not want my district to receive dollars that must be helpful to them.
    BY NOW...THE DISTRICT HAS RECEIVED ALMOST SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST FOR RIDING A BUS...when it should have been properly billed under a much lower transportation coding ( remember I do this daily at my job ) at .39 cents per mile....helping the school extra...yes, more in the realm of $1800 per year. ( The school already receives fundng through taxes for my daughters education----they are a great school...our home school district means well....they just dont' realize what is going on...because..again..they do NOT DO THE PAPERWORK....)

    Our home school NOW realizes it was wrong....( only because I had to convince them over and over that taking THAT much money was not accurate...they have not paid the state back...

    The agency run by DANN STEVENS ( Timberline Billing ) has NO incentive...other than something called INTEGRITY to bill less...because..remember they get 15%...the current rate...

    I turned them into IME fraud dept.
    Timberline turned in paperwork...( not sure what that would change...) to try and demonstrate that it was okay...

    I am the first MOTHER, I am told by IME that has called to complain about services of Medicaid billed on behalf of her daughter...

    Here it is ...2012....and the investigation is still going on.

    I tried securing a public attorney....and since I was not PERSONALLY harmed financially or physically...then they cannot serve.

    I cannot afford to pay an attny myself to get this set right...to pay back the money to what should never have been paid out.

    I KNOW THAT I CAN NOT BE THE ONLY ONE...

    What have we created here in America?!??!?

    YOU WILL NEVER CONVINCE ME THAT MONEY WILL BE MORE WISELY SPENT AND MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE GOVT DEEPER INTO THE DECISION MAKING....LET ALONE INVOLVED IN CARE DECISIONS.

    My brother and family lived in the UK for 15 years...and have since moved back...most of their health care was ok...they were in Birmingham and near London....however..it is NOT the same when you are in the same pool as everyone else...
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