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Fort Hood and September 11th: Two Horrific Security Failures. Which Terrorist Events Outrages you more?

Fef November 10, 2009 20:48:56

America lost nearly 3,000 wonderful people on September 11, 2001 when over a dozen Islamist terrorists hijacked four planes and used them as suicide missiles. We lost 13 of our best, youngest on November 5, 2009 at Fort Hood when an Islamist gunned down his fellow soldiers on American soil. I consider both of these tragedies acts of terrorism -- or at least part of the extremist Muslim war of Jihad against the West.

(Insert disclaimer here that I know the difference between the average Muslim and the evil ones who want to kill non-Muslims*)

Both of these events show flaws in our security systems, for which we depend on our government. Both events had warning signs. However, the Fort Hood shooting by ("alleged") US Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan had far more warning signs and shows a great breakdown in the post-9/11 security.

We could have easily prevented the Fort Hood shootings. The US government knew that the murderer, Hasan, had over two dozen email exchanges with a known terrorist in Yemen. He also talked for an hour during a training to behead all non-believers and pour boiling water down their necks. He gave up wearing his uniform in exchange for Muslim garb. Hasan told fellow soldiers and blogged that he supported suicide bombers.

Hasan also served on a security panel in April 2008. The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) established the Presidential Transition Task Force, comprised of national and homeland security experts, policymakers and practitioners with the to determine the top strategic priorities to advance the nation’s security in the coming decade.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjczMmJkNzZhNDE3OTI3...

So, while the number of deaths and significance of September 11th far exceeds that of November 5th Fort Hood shooting, the opportunity to prevent Ft Hood far exceeded that of 9/11. And, the reasons for the failure indicate an ongoing problem, continued by statements from the Army's Chief of Staff, General Casey, Jr., who doesn't want to jump to conclusions about a murdering terrorist, but does want to jump to conclusions against the entire Army possibly harming the 0.25% of the Army population made up of Muslims.

I don't give one bit of credibility to the talk of "pre-post traumatic stress disorder" and the stress he suffered from listening to horror stories. Why haven't we seen other psychologist over the past 50 years start shooting people up while yelling "Allah Akbar" ("God is Great" in Arabic)? Or the nurses and doctors at the military hospitals that see young boys with their legs blown off -- why don't they go on shooting rampages? I see this defense as malicious and a cover for the real threat -- that our government refuses to protect us because of political correctness. Security of Homeland Defense warned us about domestic terrorism from returning military personnel and Right Wing extremists -- well, she almost had it right except for everything but the "military" portion.

And we've seen this "Sudden Jihadi Syndrome" in our military before. Hasan Akbar, a Muslin Sergeant in the US Army, threw a hand grenade into a tent with officers in Kuwait, killing two and wounding 14. Akbar, a convert, wrote in his diary before the attack, "Akbar wrote prior to the attack "I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the Army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Akbar

We've had enough warning signs. Let's start taking this seriously before more people die because of political correctness and cowardice on the part of our government to protect us.
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  • +21 raves StarrGazerr November 10, 2009 21:21:15
    StarrGazerr

    September 11th still outrages me more

    I'll leave the debate on this one to others, but you make one factual error in your blog. There was significantly MORE warning that the 9/11 attacks were imminent, and at much higher levels of government, and while the investigation of Major Hasan is still in its early stages, it appears that the 9/11 attacks would have been "easier" to prevent. Here the indications are that someone along the line in the FBI or in Army Intelligence should have spotted warning signs and didn't. In August, 2001 the highest levels of our government, including the National Security Advisor herself, ignored overwhelming evidence.

    The other thing is that here, again in the preliminary stages, there seems no indication that anyone in the chain of command DELIBERATELY failed to act to intervene. That cannot be said about the 9/11 attacks.
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  • Bill 7 days ago
    Bill

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    don't get me wrong 9-11 was a horrific event and never should have happened but it did and you would think since then better background checks, laws, and security would have been put in place so that a Fort Hood or any other terrorist attack wouldn't have happened again
  • concerned November 14, 2009 17:55:51
    concerned

    September 11th still outrages me more

    911 was a true terrosit attack .. where as Ft Hood was more a mental break down .. undetected .. which is the military's fault
  • CODE 11 concerned 7 days ago
    CODE 11
    Would you call every bomb carrying Muslin a mental break down. Ft Hood was a terrorist attack. This gentleman knew what he was doing. Striking a blow for Alla!
  • concerned CODE 11 7 days ago
    concerned
    THe officer had little knowledge of the belive he was born and rised within the states .. what he was having was a mental break down about his mother & father's people .. that he really knew little about .. confussed i will call him .. and after listerning to many troops come home and treating them confussed him even more .. but what he done was very bad .. but when the KKK memebers kill USA citizens it is bad too
  • CODE 11 concerned 6 days ago
    CODE 11
    He was educated by his Iman and knew full well what he was doing. KKK members are becoming few and far between, and are not a treath to world peace.
  • concerned CODE 11 4 days ago
    concerned
    Not the KKK just kill USA citizens .. and Hasan was educated by the uSA army ..
  • CODE 11 concerned 4 days ago
    CODE 11
    The army taught him to heal people (go his medical degree there). His Iman taught him to hate the non-believers. He went back to the old country when it got to hot here.
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    Jay November 14, 2009 07:19:13
    Jay

    I only get outraged at certain things our government does

    Both are infuriating, as is any incident where innocent lives are lost. Could they have been prevented? Who knows? That's really mote at this point, since they weren't prevented and we have to deal with the aftermath of both. In the end, the perpetrators are the real ones responsible, not our presidents or leaders. Our presidents are human and do make mistakes. They can't be expected to be able to fortell the future. Having said that, the Iraq war could have been prevented, and I'm almost positive that it would have been if President Obama had been president at the time, since he spoke out against it. That preventable war cost us over 4000 American's lives, thousands of our allies lives, and over 100,000 Iraqi's lives, some of them innocent children, as well as over 3 trillion dollars when all is said and done. We are still in that mess because it's always harder to get out of an occupation/war than it is to get into one.
  • Phyl *In God i Trust* November 14, 2009 02:56:31
    Phyl *In God i Trust*

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    all the above.
  • DON November 14, 2009 01:43:39
    DON

    September 11th still outrages me more

    September 11 still outrages me more but I feel that the government could have done more to prevent both, especially Ft. Hood. The era of political correctness has gone too far. It is not ok to question the muslim religion but it is ok to damn christianity at every turn. It is time for the religion of islam to go back from where it came. Our own government can't call him a terrorist but has no problem calling other war veterans and us right wing extremist terrorist, but a muslim man who worships islam we must be cautious. That is a crock
  • CODE 11 DON 7 days ago
    CODE 11
    The liberal left wing goverment voted in by the "we hate Bush people" won't call him what he is ( TERRORIST) You are so right..What a crook
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    Spider20 November 13, 2009 09:31:33
    Spider20

    September 11th still outrages me more

    Still 9/11
  • Paul Revere November 12, 2009 18:45:46
    Paul Revere

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    Fort Hood pisses me off more because we had an extremely solid data point with 9/11. Even after that event, the government cannot acknowledge that we are at war with radical Islam. Not terrorist. Their tactics are incidental. We are at war with radical Islam, and we are going to lose because of political correctness and multinationalism. Governance will not be shocked back into reality until we have a few cities glowing under a mushroom cloud.
  • sickone November 12, 2009 18:41:51
    sickone

    I only get outraged at certain things our government does

    i find that both while tragic we will neve know the truth of what really went on in either case for 911 i still dont understand how the planes could fly so far off course and no fighter jets were sent to intercept as well as many other issues , and the fort hood atack while it is still fresh a lot of questions where did his weapon come from was it personal did it come from the armory ? for a man of that rank some of the stuff thats coming out is making me wonder why he wasnt being watched closely to begain with . my outrage it with the govt not presenting all the facts and not what they want to release in a edited prwess conference to put a political spin on things .
  • CODE 11 sickone 7 days ago
    CODE 11
    Fighter jets were sent....No order to fire was ever issued.
    Ft. Hood, he bought the guns himself. Your right someone was asleep at the switch on this one.
  • Dylan "Where's John Galt?" November 12, 2009 13:12:13
    Dylan

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    9/11 came as a surprise and a shock....it DID outrage me. But Fort Hood....We are SUPPOSED to be on a war footing...we Should have caught this. And now our idiot in chief won't even call it an act of terrorism...THIS outrages me. When people die because of Political Correctness...we have go too far!!!!!
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    Isma'ila (God has heard)! November 12, 2009 08:20:12
    Isma'ila (God has heard)!

    September 11th still outrages me more

    They both make me mad!
  • Edie November 12, 2009 06:42:27
    Edie

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    Too many people knew that this soldier was a problem they all closed their eyes and ears to the facts. They were too afraid of the political correctness would cause them a problem in their everyday life. While our soldiers are risking their life for us everyday we owe them so much while giving them so little. They pay our debt for freedom everyday while we sit here in our comfort zone and let the highest office in our land not defend them. What a shame this begins with our president and filters down.
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    Anthony W. Leone November 12, 2009 03:16:58
    Anthony W. Leone

    September 11th still outrages me more

    It's a tough one to decide. On one hand, you have a group of terrorists who hijacked planes and killed nearly 3,000 people.

    Then you have a U.S. citizen who allegedly killed 13 of his own fellow Americans.

    For me, the two are equal. Two incidents where there was an intention to kill innocent lives.
  • enemy combatant November 12, 2009 03:13:03
    enemy combatant

    I only get outraged at certain things our government does

    Fef you sound like the posterboy for AIPAC. Let's not forget the demolition contractors of 911. http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    The fact is that you know damn well that there's more to this story but you like to pick and choose your topics/battles.

    The 911 myth is bullshit and you know it.
  • Neal November 12, 2009 02:17:14
    Neal

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    There should be a "None of the Above". I am and was not outraged by either terrorist attacks. I am deeply saddened for the people that were killed in both events and for there family's. Both attacks were from people or "person" that did not like America and it troubles me that we let both happen in this country. I am not going to point fingers anymore, because I have found that it does not get us anywhere. I do, however, the same thing would have happened under President Bush. And then again I think President Bush would have handled the situation differently.

    This whole situation at Fort Hood, was allowed because people were afraid to report the man because he was Muslim. I believe that Hasan is a Muslim terrorists. I want all the good muslims out there to come out and protest this man and his actions. I understand fully that there are more good than bad, but where is the outrage from the good?
  • ~Anne's Soldier girls Veron... November 12, 2009 01:54:33
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~

    Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more

    Tough one Fef....I'd say Ft. Hood only because if what we are being told is true, this could have been prevented. There were "red flags" that apparently went ignored. Our soldiers SHOULD be safe on a US military base on US soil!!!!
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    Sissy November 12, 2009 00:22:33
    Sissy

    I only get outraged at certain things our government does

    First of all, we did indeed "lose" over 3,000 wonderful Americans on 9/11 who went to work that morning and didn't deserve what happened to them. But then we went to Iraq needlessly and tens of thousands of innocent people have lost their lives too. I would venture to say that there can be argument made they didn't "deserve" it either.

    For me it comes down to merely this. All of the tragedies that have occurred in and because of Iraq shouldn't have. Soldiers killing soldiers, (and it hasn't only been a Muslim soldier doing that), the suicides of our soliders which have been alarmingly high, the atrocities committed in our name, torture, secret prisons, assault on our Rights, etc., none of it should have happened and it wouldn't have had we stayed out of there and kept our focus on where the actual terrorists were in the first place. We had the world at our back and we squandered the good will of all when we went into a War of Choice. Its as simple as that.
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    alonnastorm November 12, 2009 00:06:44
    alonnastorm

    September 11th still outrages me more

    911 is the only one that has been proven to be a terrorist action...
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    ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 01:57:14
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    Killing one person is murder...killing 13 and woundiing some 30+ others is terrorism regardless of the race or religion of the terrorist.
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 04:21:52
    alonnastorm
    No that makes him a mass murder...
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    ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 04:42:52
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    You can honestly sit there and try to tell me that he did not cause terror in that room?

    ter⋅ror⋅ist  /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-er-ist] Show IPA

    –noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
    2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
    3. a member of a political group aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
    4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.

    –adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

    -----------------------------...

    I believe he fits iinto at least 1 thru 3.
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 04:45:12
    alonnastorm
    He is a mass murder
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    ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 04:58:57
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    Guess you can't read the definition of a terrorist that I provided for you. His face should be the visual for the first three at least. I'm not calling him a Radical Muslin Terrorist though I'm pretty sure that he will be proved to be just that. I frankly don't give a flying flip what religion is follows or if he even follows a religion. Nor do I care about his race. He could be purple for all I care. He terrorized at least 50 people, killing 13 & injuring as many as 31 others. I'm pretty sure those folks didn't just sit there sipping on a soda and volunteer to be shot and m an pretty sure most if not all of ther were terrified....so TERRORISM is what it was,
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 06:03:33 (edited)
    alonnastorm
    in your mind! What evidence do you have that he fits that definition??? There has been no evidence produced that he was a member on a terrorist group. There has been only speculation at this point and no proof.

    I am quite sure that every single person that is intentionally murdered by another feels terror, so by your flawed logic every person that murders in terrorist!

    Like I said look up mass murder that definition fits, Oh if you can read that is!
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    ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 18:58:13
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    I never said he was a member of a terrorist group and I agree he is a mass murder. One would hsve to be a total idiot not to acknowledge that fact but he is also a terrorist as in "2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others."

    You are trying to be too PC..any murderer is in fact a terrorist by definition #2.
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 21:41:37
    alonnastorm
    That is one of the definitions that you posted, a member of a terrorist group. He is just a mass murder, he is no more a terrorist than any other murder!
  • ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 22:18:21
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    NOTE that there are three (3) definitions of terrorist. A terrorist can be either OR all of the three. Your argument doesn't hold water. You're just trying to be PC.
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 22:57:15
    alonnastorm
    did you not see that I said one of the definitions! This case fits none of the definitions. All murder victims are terrorized if they are purposely murdered... So I guess all murders are perpetrated by terrorist according to you...

    It is your argument that holds no water...
  • ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 23:01:38
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    So you don't think murder is terrifying to the victim????
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 23:05:23
    alonnastorm
    My last statement answers that question...
  • ~Anne's... alonnas... November 12, 2009 23:49:11
    ~Anne's Soldier girls Veronica & Arin~
    I think you just want to argue. Find somneone else to argue with.
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    alonnas... ~Anne's... November 12, 2009 23:51:07 (edited)
    alonnastorm
    that's not it! you are just plain wrong! You have no position and you know it!
  • CODE 11 alonnas... 7 days ago
    CODE 11
    Under the law, you do not have to be a member of any group to be terrorist. You just have to commit an act of violance with the purpose to terrorize another or cause the evacuation of a building, place of assembly or a facility of public transportation or otherwise cause serious public inconvenience.
    I think Ft Hood falls right in there. Even if Obama doesn't like it being on his watch. A little harder for him to blame it all on Bush anymore.
  • alonnas... CODE 11 7 days ago
    alonnastorm
    Like I said before all murder victims that are intentionally murdered are terrorized.

    So then you thinking is that every murder is a terrorist!!!

    RIGHT!!!
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