I'll leave the debate on this one to others, but you make one factual error in your blog. There was significantly MORE warning that the 9/11 attacks were imminent, and at much higher levels of government, and while the investigation of Major Hasan is still in its early stages, it appears that the 9/11 attacks would have been "easier" to prevent. Here the indications are that someone along the line in the FBI or in Army Intelligence should have spotted warning signs and didn't. In August, 2001 the highest levels of our government, including the National Security Advisor herself, ignored overwhelming evidence.
The other thing is that here, again in the preliminary stages, there seems no indication that anyone in the chain of command DELIBERATELY failed to act to intervene. That cannot be said about the 9/11 attacks.
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Fort Hood and September 11th: Two Horrific Security Failures. Which Terrorist Events Outrages you more?
Fef November 10, 2009 20:48:56
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America lost nearly 3,000 wonderful people on September 11, 2001 when over a dozen Islamist terrorists hijacked four planes and used them as suicide missiles. We lost 13 of our best, youngest on November 5, 2009 at Fort Hood when an Islamist gunned down his fellow soldiers on American soil. I consider both of these tragedies acts of terrorism -- or at least part of the extremist Muslim war of Jihad against the West.
(Insert disclaimer here that I know the difference between the average Muslim and the evil ones who want to kill non-Muslims*)
Both of these events show flaws in our security systems, for which we depend on our government. Both events had warning signs. However, the Fort Hood shooting by ("alleged") US Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan had far more warning signs and shows a great breakdown in the post-9/11 security.
We could have easily prevented the Fort Hood shootings. The US government knew that the murderer, Hasan, had over two dozen email exchanges with a known terrorist in Yemen. He also talked for an hour during a training to behead all non-believers and pour boiling water down their necks. He gave up wearing his uniform in exchange for Muslim garb. Hasan told fellow soldiers and blogged that he supported suicide bombers.
Hasan also served on a security panel in April 2008. The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) established the Presidential Transition Task Force, comprised of national and homeland security experts, policymakers and practitioners with the to determine the top strategic priorities to advance the nation’s security in the coming decade.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjczMmJkNzZhNDE3OTI3...
So, while the number of deaths and significance of September 11th far exceeds that of November 5th Fort Hood shooting, the opportunity to prevent Ft Hood far exceeded that of 9/11. And, the reasons for the failure indicate an ongoing problem, continued by statements from the Army's Chief of Staff, General Casey, Jr., who doesn't want to jump to conclusions about a murdering terrorist, but does want to jump to conclusions against the entire Army possibly harming the 0.25% of the Army population made up of Muslims.
I don't give one bit of credibility to the talk of "pre-post traumatic stress disorder" and the stress he suffered from listening to horror stories. Why haven't we seen other psychologist over the past 50 years start shooting people up while yelling "Allah Akbar" ("God is Great" in Arabic)? Or the nurses and doctors at the military hospitals that see young boys with their legs blown off -- why don't they go on shooting rampages? I see this defense as malicious and a cover for the real threat -- that our government refuses to protect us because of political correctness. Security of Homeland Defense warned us about domestic terrorism from returning military personnel and Right Wing extremists -- well, she almost had it right except for everything but the "military" portion.
And we've seen this "Sudden Jihadi Syndrome" in our military before. Hasan Akbar, a Muslin Sergeant in the US Army, threw a hand grenade into a tent with officers in Kuwait, killing two and wounding 14. Akbar, a convert, wrote in his diary before the attack, "Akbar wrote prior to the attack "I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the Army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Akbar
We've had enough warning signs. Let's start taking this seriously before more people die because of political correctness and cowardice on the part of our government to protect us.
(Insert disclaimer here that I know the difference between the average Muslim and the evil ones who want to kill non-Muslims*)
Both of these events show flaws in our security systems, for which we depend on our government. Both events had warning signs. However, the Fort Hood shooting by ("alleged") US Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan had far more warning signs and shows a great breakdown in the post-9/11 security.
We could have easily prevented the Fort Hood shootings. The US government knew that the murderer, Hasan, had over two dozen email exchanges with a known terrorist in Yemen. He also talked for an hour during a training to behead all non-believers and pour boiling water down their necks. He gave up wearing his uniform in exchange for Muslim garb. Hasan told fellow soldiers and blogged that he supported suicide bombers.
Hasan also served on a security panel in April 2008. The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute (HSPI) established the Presidential Transition Task Force, comprised of national and homeland security experts, policymakers and practitioners with the to determine the top strategic priorities to advance the nation’s security in the coming decade.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjczMmJkNzZhNDE3OTI3...
So, while the number of deaths and significance of September 11th far exceeds that of November 5th Fort Hood shooting, the opportunity to prevent Ft Hood far exceeded that of 9/11. And, the reasons for the failure indicate an ongoing problem, continued by statements from the Army's Chief of Staff, General Casey, Jr., who doesn't want to jump to conclusions about a murdering terrorist, but does want to jump to conclusions against the entire Army possibly harming the 0.25% of the Army population made up of Muslims.
I don't give one bit of credibility to the talk of "pre-post traumatic stress disorder" and the stress he suffered from listening to horror stories. Why haven't we seen other psychologist over the past 50 years start shooting people up while yelling "Allah Akbar" ("God is Great" in Arabic)? Or the nurses and doctors at the military hospitals that see young boys with their legs blown off -- why don't they go on shooting rampages? I see this defense as malicious and a cover for the real threat -- that our government refuses to protect us because of political correctness. Security of Homeland Defense warned us about domestic terrorism from returning military personnel and Right Wing extremists -- well, she almost had it right except for everything but the "military" portion.
And we've seen this "Sudden Jihadi Syndrome" in our military before. Hasan Akbar, a Muslin Sergeant in the US Army, threw a hand grenade into a tent with officers in Kuwait, killing two and wounding 14. Akbar, a convert, wrote in his diary before the attack, "Akbar wrote prior to the attack "I may not have killed any Muslims, but being in the Army is the same thing. I may have to make a choice very soon on who to kill." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hassan_Akbar
We've had enough warning signs. Let's start taking this seriously before more people die because of political correctness and cowardice on the part of our government to protect us.
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Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
September 11th still outrages me more
I only get outraged at certain things our government does
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
September 11th still outrages me more
September 11th still outrages me more
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
I only get outraged at certain things our government does
Ft. Hood, he bought the guns himself. Your right someone was asleep at the switch on this one.
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
September 11th still outrages me more
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
September 11th still outrages me more
Then you have a U.S. citizen who allegedly killed 13 of his own fellow Americans.
For me, the two are equal. Two incidents where there was an intention to kill innocent lives.
I only get outraged at certain things our government does
The fact is that you know damn well that there's more to this story but you like to pick and choose your topics/battles.
The 911 myth is bullshit and you know it.
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
This whole situation at Fort Hood, was allowed because people were afraid to report the man because he was Muslim. I believe that Hasan is a Muslim terrorists. I want all the good muslims out there to come out and protest this man and his actions. I understand fully that there are more good than bad, but where is the outrage from the good?
Fort Hood Massacre outrages me more
I only get outraged at certain things our government does
For me it comes down to merely this. All of the tragedies that have occurred in and because of Iraq shouldn't have. Soldiers killing soldiers, (and it hasn't only been a Muslim soldier doing that), the suicides of our soliders which have been alarmingly high, the atrocities committed in our name, torture, secret prisons, assault on our Rights, etc., none of it should have happened and it wouldn't have had we stayed out of there and kept our focus on where the actual terrorists were in the first place. We had the world at our back and we squandered the good will of all when we went into a War of Choice. Its as simple as that.
September 11th still outrages me more
ter⋅ror⋅ist /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. a member of a political group aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.
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I believe he fits iinto at least 1 thru 3.
I am quite sure that every single person that is intentionally murdered by another feels terror, so by your flawed logic every person that murders in terrorist!
Like I said look up mass murder that definition fits, Oh if you can read that is!
You are trying to be too PC..any murderer is in fact a terrorist by definition #2.
It is your argument that holds no water...
I think Ft Hood falls right in there. Even if Obama doesn't like it being on his watch. A little harder for him to blame it all on Bush anymore.
So then you thinking is that every murder is a terrorist!!!
RIGHT!!!