Forget Party Lines. How Do We Sustain Our Current Government and It's Social Programs?

definitely a spending problem

"might" have a spending problem?

We can't - it's that simple. We can't beat the math.

Exactly the same way President Bush planned to: Allow JGTRRA and EGTRRA to expire as designed. We are already 2 years past their intended expiration thanks to House Republicans and their holy pledge to Grover Norquist. Before JGTRRA and EGTRRA went into effect the US Budget ran at a SURPLUS of $400 Billion.

Well get ready, come Jan. 2013 The Sh-t will hit the Fan.

as bad as it sounds we throw the rich under the bus and tax them and use that money to create a public works program.

You're assuming that many who get a check for doing nothing actually want to work or will work doing the jobs for what they should pay.

The majority want to work, that is the facts and if you actually look it up you would know I'm right.

Then show them. You make the case, prove it. It's not my job to disprove your claim.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/new...

http://www.washingtonpost.com...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/02...

three different websites prove my case.

The Washington Post sources is an OPINION piece not fact based.

TulsaWorld doesn't show

The CNN.com pieces ranks about on the same level as the Washington Post article.

NONE provides any statistics about people wanting to work. They are opinion pieces about unemployment insurance itself.

How many videos would you like me to provide showing abuse of the system and people who think the government owes them something?

Someone saying they want to work and someone actually taking a job that is offered are two different things. About 3 years ago I was adding a room on at my house. I needed some help cleaning up trash, sweeping, and moving some things around I couldn't do myself. There was a man that regularly stood on the corner holding a sign that said "Will work for food". I offered him food and $10/hour. His response was that he couldn't do that kind of work but would take the money. He got nothing.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8065...
It's really hard to get unemployment actually and has strict requirements. Not to mention that you have to actually apply for jobs to get unemployment.

Yet you don't seem bothered by Obama holding $15,000 a plate dinner parties.

Hmmmmm.

What Gregory says is true. That is exactly what Eisenhower did. 92% Top Marginal Tax Rate and the largest Public Works program in US History.

Then either you or Gregory need to prove that people want to work.

Comparing what happened in the 1950s when people had a work ethic about them is quite different than the entitlement mentality of today.

Eisenhower also had 57% of his administation with actual business experiance vs. obama's 8%.

Oh I see. So you're saying raising taxes to Eisenhower levels and instituting major Public Works Programs is the correct solution and is verified, documented and proven by the 57% of The Eisenhower Administration with actual business experience

Its nice to see you finally agree with President Obama.

No matter how much tax revenue is collected, it will never fix the problem. The problem is spending money we don't have.

Over the past 70 years, the Misery Index goes DOWN as Taxes go UP. The reason is simple. Spending grows the economy. and higher taxes force spending (by individuals AND corporations) to obtain write-offs. If you've ever filed anything other than a 1040EZ you'd know that.

Compare the statistics on these two links and make your own chart. It comes out the same every time.

http://www.miseryindex.us/ind...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.or...

Does this mean the more taxes I pay, the better I will feel ?

If you want to feel really great send me all your money instead. I take PayPal.

I'll tell you this, I have a relative, he always talks about the many different jobs he has had and how hard he worked at them. Then he gets hurt on the job( or so he said) and trys to sue, then that fell through and the company obviously didn't want him back . So he needed to find a job or draw unemployment. He said he would just as soon sit at the house because he could make just as much. That pissed me off.

one person isn't the standard for the whole group.

There are many just like him. He really is a good guy. So if he would do it, just think of the freeloaders that would.

I have examples I can provide, too.

I can provide you with examples, too.

We can't, the system will fail.

Nope. The upper left hand picture spells out the whole problem.

We don't. We just continue spending recklessly until the Chinese decide the day of reckoning is here.

I'm in the timber business, and I've been wondering why there hasn't been as many U.S. Forest Service timber sales lately. I heard it because China is holding our forests as colateral on some of our debt. Boy, won't that piss off alot of people when China clearcuts our National Forests?

Wow!