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Beccy 2012/01/14 20:38:31
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Well, it looks like our friends in the banking industry are again feeling the pinch so it may be time to bail them out again. Our Uncle Bennie has returned to congress tin cup in hand. What i cost in bailing out the banks could have paid all the mortgages in the US

The Idea of selling the forclosed homes to investers to make them into rentals is a joke. We had the slum lords in my city already. One of the reasons sellling homes to the poor became the rage was because it was believed that if people owned the homes they would be cared for.









The Foreclosure-to-Rental
Screwjob

By Mike Whitney

January 13, 2012 "Counterpunch" -- -- Federal
Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke wants US taxpayers to purchase more of the garbage
loans and mortgage-backed securities (MBS) that the big banks still have on
their books. (Cash for trash) That’s the impetus behind the Fed’s 26-page white
paper that was delivered to Congress last Wednesday. The document outlines the
Fed’s plan for ‘stabilizing the housing market’, which is a phrase that Bernanke
employs when he wants to provide more buy-backs, giveaways, subsidies and other
corporate welfare to big finance.


“Restoring the health of the housing market is a
necessary part of a broader strategy for economic recovery,” Bernanke opined in
a letter to the Senate Banking and House Financial Services
committees.


Indeed. The housing depression continues into
its 5th year with no end in sight, mainly because the people who created the
crisis are still in positions of power. And, they’re still offering the same
remedies, too, like handing the banks another blank check to save them
from losses on their bad bets. That’s what this new “housing stabilization”
boondoggle is really all about, bailing out the bankers. Here’s a summary from
Bloomberg:



“Bernanke’s Fed study said “more might be done,”
including eliminating entirely the reduced fees for risky loans, “more
comprehensively” cutting lenders’ put-back risks; and further streamlining
refinancing for other Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac borrowers. The U.S. also should
consider having Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac refinance loans not already backed by
the government, which would add credit risk for the companies, according to the
report….” (Bloomberg)


First of all, Fannie and Freddie only return
loans (“put-backs”) that don’t meet their standards and which the banks foisted
on them so they wouldn’t have to face the losses. The idea that the
publicly-funded GSE’s should just “eat the losses” is ridiculous.


And, why–in heaven’s name–would congress want to
take on more risk when they can keep millions of people in their homes by simply
reducing the principle on their mortgages to the present value of the house?
(aka–”Cramdowns”) Naturally, the losses would have to be absorbed by the banks
who–by everyone’s admission–were responsible for the present crisis due to
their lax lending standards and, oftentimes, fraudulent behavior. This would
lead to a restructuring of the country’s biggest banks through a Resolution
Trust Corporation (RTC) so their toxic assets and backlog of foreclosed
properties can be auctioned off as soon as possible.


This is a straightforward way to fix the housing
market and it should have been done long ago. Bernanke’s solution is not only
unreasonable, it’s also deceitful. Here’s more from the Fed’s paper: “Continued
weakness in the housing market poses a significant barrier to a more vigorous
economic recovery”..(without action)…“the adjustment process will take longer
and incur more deadweight losses, pushing house prices lower and thereby
prolonging the downward pressure on the wealth of current homeowners and the
resultant drag on the economy at large.”


Did it really take Bernanke 5 years to figure
out that housing is a “drag on the economy”?


No, of course not. So, what’s going on now that
has suddenly spurred him to act?


Well, for one thing, the banks are losing a
great deal of money on the mortgage-backed securities (MBS) that they bought in
the last few years. Here’s the story in the Wall Street Journal:



“After flickering to life early in 2011, the
market for subprime- and other risky residential-mortgage bonds has returned to
its comatose state. And many investors believe a revival could be years
away.


Prices on some bonds, which are backed by
mortgages that don’t meet the standards needed to get backing from
government-controlled companies like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, plummeted as
much as 30% last year. The ABX, an index that tracks the value of subprime
bonds, ended the year at 43.44 cents on the dollar, down from 59.90 cents at
year-end 2010 and a peak of 62.68 cents in February 2011


While that decline pushed yields up to as much
as 17%—bond yields rise as prices fall—many fund managers have pulled out of the
market due to worries about further price declines. Moreover, repeated
downgrades have left too few investment-grade securities for them to own. Wall
Street banks, which traditionally have played a key role in the market matching
buyers and sellers, are backing away ahead of new regulations that will make it
more expensive to hold riskier assets.” (Investors Sour on Subprime Bonds,
WSJ)


So, Wall Street’s financial geniuses got
back into the MBS-biz (for a second time) and got whacked again? That’s right;
and now they want John Q. Public to pay for it with another bailout.


And, there’s more to this story, too. European
banks own roughly $100 billion of these mortgage-backed turkeys which
they’re presently shedding like crazy in order to meet new capital requirements.
That means US bank balance sheets are dripping red as the value of their
financial asset-stockpile continues to plunge. That’s why Sugar Daddy Bernanke
has stepped in, because it’s time for another multi-billion dollar bank
rescue.


Look, the Fed has already purchased over $1.25
trillion of these toxic MBS which represents humongous long-term losses for the
taxpayer. Do we really need more of this sludge?


Bernanke promised that the first round of
quantitative easing (QE1) would boost employment (It hasn’t) and improve housing
sales (it never happened) The only uptick in sales occurred because the
colluding banks deliberately reduced the supply of foreclosed homes they put on
the market. The reduction has led to a massive 1.7 million backlog of housing
units (shadow inventory) that will eventually be dumped onto the market
triggering another sharp decline in housing prices. Bernanke wants to do
something about the bulging inventory as well as prop up the value of sagging
MBS. So, the Fed’s plan actually has two main objectives; in other words, it’s
the double whammy. Here’s more from Bloomberg:


“Since the Fed started buying $1.25 trillion of
mortgage bonds in January 2009, the value of U.S. housing has fallen 4.1
percent, and is down 32 percent from its 2006 peak, according to an
S&P/Case-Shiller index. The central bank is poised to buy about $200
billion this year, or more than 20 percent of new loans, as it reinvests debt
that’s being paid off. Some Fed officials have said they may support additional
purchases that Barclays Capital estimates could total as much as $750
billion.”


Did you catch that? Taxpayers are going to get
slammed for another $750 billion. That’s nearly as much as Obama’s American
Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), the fiscal stimulus that added 2 percent
to GDP and kept unemployment from rocketing to 13 percent. Bernanke wants
to throw that same amount down a Wall Street sinkhole.


So maybe you think this won’t happen, after all,
could Congress really be so gullible as to fall for Bernanke’s fearmongering
flim-flam again?


Maybe and maybe not. But there are some pretty
wealthy and well-connected people who are betting that the Fed will do as it’s
told and pave the way for another hefty bailout. In fact, the world’s largest
bond fund (Pimco) has stumped up a mountain of cash betting that good buddy
Bernanke will get the printing presses whirring sometime in mid-January. Here’s
the story from Zero Hedge:


”….in December the fund (Total Return Fund or
TRF) doubled down on its QE3 all in bet, by “borrowing” even more cash, or a
record $78 billion, using the proceeds to buy even more MBS, as well as
Treasurys, which hit a combined 31% of the TRF’s holdings. In other words,
between MBS and USTs, Pimco holds a whopping 79% of total, mostly in very long
duration exposure. In fact, this combination of long duration and pre-QE
exposure has not been seen at PIMCO since late 2008, early 2009, meaning that as
many banks have been suggesting, (Bill) Gross is convinced that the Fed will
announce if not outright QE3 this January, then at least intimate it is
coming.”(“Pimco Doubles Down On All In Bet Fed Will Monetize MBS”, Zero
Hedge)


So what does Pimco know that we don’t know? More
importantly, from whom are they getting their information?


And, there’s another thing, too. This whole deal
about converting foreclosed homes into rental properties is another scam. Here’s
the scoop from another article in the Wall Street Journal:


“The paper also signaled that the Fed…. will try
to involve banks more directly in housing-revival approaches… One area involves
efforts to turn foreclosed homes into rental properties….


Banking regulations typically direct banks to
sell foreclosed homes quickly, although the rules do recognize this isn’t always
practical and so these properties can be held up to five years. The Fed said it
is now “contemplating issuing guidance” to banks and regulators that would
possibly allow banks to turn some of these foreclosed homes into rental
properties…..The hope is this may help stanch the flow of foreclosed properties
into markets…” (“Fed Up With the Depressed State of Housing”, Wall Street
Journal)


Bingo. The banks are not only sitting on 1.7
million shadow inventory of homes they’ve stockpiled to keep prices artificially
high. They also have millions more in the pipeline when a settlement is finally
reached on the robo-signing scandal. So, what are they going to do with all that
backlog?


That’s easy. They’ll schluff it off on the
taxpayer by creating a foreclosure-to-rental swindle where the government
provides lavish incentives for banks and private equity scavengers to buy the
homes (in bulk) for pennies on the dollar with loans provided by–you guessed
it–Uncle Sam. Here’s a summary of what’s going on behind the
scenes:


“As the Obama administration and federal
regulators work on a program to sell government-owned foreclosures in bulk to
investors, those investors aren’t wasting any time stockpiling cash and buying
foreclosed properties at auction and from the major banks.


Oakland, California-based Waypoint Real Estate
Group, a major acquirer of so-called “REO to Rental” (Real Estate Owned) just
announced a partnership with a private equity firm, Menlo Park, California-based
GI Partners, to buy foreclosed properties….


“Our approach to buying distressed single-family
houses, renovating them, and leasing to residents who are committed to a path to
future home ownership is a viable solution to our nation’s housing crisis,” said
Colin Wiel, managing director and co-founder of Waypoint in a press release.
“Our partnership with GI Partners ensures we can take the next step in our
company’s evolution.”


GI is taking an increasingly popular bet on
distressed real estate, closing on a $400 million fund with Waypoint, which has
plans to purchase $1 billion in distressed real estate assets over the next two
years, according to its release. (“Private Equity Readying a Run on
Foreclosures”, Diana Olick, CNBC)


So, what do these guys know that we don’t know?
And why are they plunking down big money when the details have not even
been released yet?


None of this really passes the smell test, does
it? The only thing we know for sure is that the “fix is in” and that Bernanke
will do what he always does when the banks are in a pinch. Throw them a
lifeline.


MIKE
WHITNEY
lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless:
Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion
, forthcoming from AK Press. He can
be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com

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  • ronbo51 2012/01/19 16:03:19 (edited)
    ronbo51
    +1
    blown up bank


    bail this banks!
    credit unions replacing them faster then they want!
  • urwutuis 2012/01/19 15:59:11
    urwutuis
    +1
    This is just more proof that it doesn't matter who is in office the bankers are running the show.
    The housing bubble was no accident. They knew exactly what would happen. That's how a population is subjugated.
  • Steve J~PWCM~JLA 2012/01/16 19:58:28
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Mike,,

    Are you really as disingenuous as this article makes me believe?

    "What i cost in bailing out the banks could have paid all the mortgages in the US".

    Maybe this isn't attributable to Mike, but the bailout was paid back by the banks with interest, so there was 0 cost.

    The rest can be attributed to Mike.

    "Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke wants US taxpayers to purchase more of the garbage
    loans and mortgage-backed securities (MBS) that the big banks still have on
    their books."

    At a big discount, and new loans issues by the Government as well. Since 95% of home loans are Government guaranteed loans now, you already are on the hook. BFD.

    "First of all, Fannie and Freddie only return
    loans (“put-backs”) that don’t meet their standards and which the banks foisted
    on them so they wouldn’t have to face the losses. The idea that the
    publicly-funded GSE’s should just “eat the losses” is ridiculous."

    Well, considering the vast majority of the BAD loans were to F&F;'s standards, we the taxpayer are going to eat most anyway. It was F&F;'s standards that created the whole issue in the first place.

    Second, BECAUSE of the risk of putback today, then banks don't want to make any loans that vastly exceed the current restrictive standards, so the housing market is worse because of th...











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    Mike,,

    Are you really as disingenuous as this article makes me believe?

    "What i cost in bailing out the banks could have paid all the mortgages in the US".

    Maybe this isn't attributable to Mike, but the bailout was paid back by the banks with interest, so there was 0 cost.

    The rest can be attributed to Mike.

    "Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke wants US taxpayers to purchase more of the garbage
    loans and mortgage-backed securities (MBS) that the big banks still have on
    their books."

    At a big discount, and new loans issues by the Government as well. Since 95% of home loans are Government guaranteed loans now, you already are on the hook. BFD.

    "First of all, Fannie and Freddie only return
    loans (“put-backs”) that don’t meet their standards and which the banks foisted
    on them so they wouldn’t have to face the losses. The idea that the
    publicly-funded GSE’s should just “eat the losses” is ridiculous."

    Well, considering the vast majority of the BAD loans were to F&F;'s standards, we the taxpayer are going to eat most anyway. It was F&F;'s standards that created the whole issue in the first place.

    Second, BECAUSE of the risk of putback today, then banks don't want to make any loans that vastly exceed the current restrictive standards, so the housing market is worse because of that.

    "And, why–in heaven’s name–would congress want to
    take on more risk when they can keep millions of people in their homes by simply
    reducing the principle on their mortgages to the present value of the house? "

    Because that would amount to theft from the stockholders and bondholders of the banks and they are taxpayers as well. It is unconstitutional to arbitrarily write laws that directly penalize one specific industry or business over another. It would be a violation of the "rule of law" here in the US. Kind of like stealing from the Chrysler bondholders for the befit of the unions.

    "Naturally, the losses would have to be absorbed by the banks
    who–by everyone’s admission–were responsible for the present crisis due to
    their lax lending standards and, oftentimes, fraudulent behavior."

    Wrong, wrong, wrong. Banking is the most heavily regulated industry in the US. It has been for 30+ years. Since the S&L; collapse. They can't go to the bathroom with out the regulators approval. Most intelligent people know who created this problem. It lies squarely at the feet of those people that can't run any business or industry.



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  • Adakin ... Steve J... 2012/01/19 02:34:57 (edited)
    Adakin Valorem
    +1
    Thank you Steve... I had two of your four "Mike quotes" already in 'word' and writing a rebuttal when I saw your comments... you saved me a half hour of research on where to set the 'explosive charges' under Mike's butt cheeks.

    BTW - please scroll down to my post of John Allison's video supporting your comments.
  • Steve J... Adakin ... 2012/01/19 03:54:53
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Will do.
  • Steve J... Adakin ... 2012/01/19 03:57:05
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    BTW, I stopped there because it would have taken me all week rebutting his spew of ignorance.
  • urwutuis Steve J... 2012/01/19 15:48:27
    urwutuis
    +1
    You are forgetting the $16 trillion in secret bank bailouts by the Fed at 0% interest
  • Steve J... urwutuis 2012/01/19 15:53:16
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    UM, no I am not. Are you perhaps talking about the $16T in loans to banks? It was done at 0% interest, because they are collecting the interest on the underlying assets they took for the loans. Also they are being done on a daily repurchase agreement basis, which in today's market, demands an extremely low interest rate to being with. Especially for AAA assets.

    But those are pesky facts that those that don't want to believe, choose not to believe.
  • urwutuis Steve J... 2012/01/19 18:18:33
    urwutuis
    +1
    That would be it and all too true about what people want to believe. I don't know about you but I have no doubt that the housing bubble was no accident. I know a set up when I see one. (at least I think I do). I also knew there had to be a major benefit for the Fed. We know they didn't do it to help anyone but themselves.

    What I don't get is why the rush? With our debt based economy the county's "owners" at the Fed end up with all the money anyway, is it a push for global governance, population reduction or both?
  • Steve J... urwutuis 2012/01/19 18:37:24
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    Just who is the FED? There are 13 independent entities. 12 regional ones all owned by different people and entities, representing those in that region, who all have different needs and desires. Then the one in DC, that is an amalgamation of all of them. Do you read the press releases from all of them? I read most. They argue more than we do on SH.

    Although, they are much more tactful and civilized than many here.
  • Evan 2012/01/16 16:25:10
    Evan
    +1
    Why not? it's not their money. Besides, wealthy people make campaign contributions, so bankers must be kept wealthy. So they make a few bad decisions, no need to punish them for them, after all, our Attorney General does not do his job either, and he does not get held accountable, and we won't even talk about the fraud his boss gets away with. The bigger you are, the more you can get away with. (When I was a kid that saying went: "the bigger you are, the harder you fall".....tells you how old I am.)
  • Beccy Evan 2012/01/16 17:01:05
    Beccy
    I think you are talking tongue in cheek?
  • Adakin ... Evan 2012/01/19 02:46:04
    Adakin Valorem
    +1
    Evan, considering Steve-J's post above, what "bad decisions" did the banks make exactly? When Fanny & Freddie said they wanted to buy boggus mortgage paper originated by folks that would not be able to make their payments after the reset period increased their payments beyond the point they qualified for, why is it the banks fault for doing what the gov't mandated them to do? When BB&T ceo John Allison refused to do the Fed's bidding, his bank was threatened with audits. When Allison said that his bank had just been audited two weeks earlier and passed with flying colors, he was told that the rules were flexible and that he assuredly would NOT pass the next audit. It would be bad press (and bad for shareholders) for a bank his size to NOT pass federal audit and regulatory scrutiny.
    John Allison told the federal inspectors that they were doing nothing less than blackmail. He went to his Board of Directors and told them of the choice he was given... He told them of his answer and asked the board to support him. When the BOD chose to comply with the fed's demand to make these 'sub-prime' loans, John Allison... after 40 years with the firm... resigned. Here's clip #1 of a 9 clip video series... please watch...


  • Steve J... Adakin ... 2012/01/19 03:58:22
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Extortion, Government style 101.
  • patriot88000 2012/01/16 09:32:56
    patriot88000
    +1
    Homeownership here in the United States is just a falacy a falsehood, nobody actually ownes their home. If you doubt this just try to stop paying your property taxes and see what happens. The County Sheriff will evict you from YOUR so-called property even after you alllegedly bought and totally paid for it. If you actually owned your home you would not have to ask Permission from the City, County, government agencies to make repairs or fix it up at all and you would not have to purchase a Permit to make any repairs or additions to Your home. Any time a Bond referrendum is up for a vote at your City Council meetings, a bond is a (loan) requested by the city and the securities that the City uses are are your properties, that means the city has a Lein on your properties and your homes. That is the reason why the County Sheriff evicts you from your property in case you default on paying your property taxes.
  • Beccy patriot... 2012/01/16 17:02:25
    Beccy
    Thanks I never thought of it that way
  • patriot... Beccy 2012/01/21 22:34:14
    patriot88000
    +1
    One wat to truly educate yourself on this matter and other matters about government financing is go to CAFR1.com
  • Charles R. Anderson 2012/01/16 05:48:38
    Charles R. Anderson
    +2
    It is inevitable that when government becomes very big, it will trample the rights of the individual and become controlled by special interests. Government is too big for most voters to understand what is going on. Indeed, most gave up trying to understand it long ago and most became so cynical that they declare it too depressing to pay attention to government. As a result, we have government by special interests and this will not change until be force the government to return to the very limited powers and scope of the Constitution. Government allowed to ignore the Constitution is government out-of-control. We have a tyranny by special interests such as banks, unions, radical environmentalists, trial lawyers, and green energy fraudsters.
  • jumpboots 187th PIR 2012/01/16 02:45:33
  • Donna 2012/01/16 02:35:22
    Donna
    +1
    I live near one such person. She bought her grandmothers house for 80K . She could of sold & made $$ ) Instead she refinanced it up to 260K with an equity cash out twice during the boom , went into foreclosure twice, finally lost it & is now being allowed to rent it back from the bank. All the while bragging that the house is still hers. Not according to the town hall records. She & her new husband, who doesnt work & spends most of his time drinking, Keep the house in a shambles & just went out & bought 2 brand new cars. I hardly think they were duped.
  • Beccy Donna 2012/01/16 03:08:07
    Beccy
    +1
    I brought my house in 2005. Had it appraised and now it is worth about half of what I paid for it. I continue to pay and drag my ass to work daily
  • Donna Beccy 2012/01/16 04:59:04 (edited)
    Donna
    +1
    Good for you. This girl couldnt pay an 80K mortgage & was too dumb to sell it when the price went up... go figure ! She could of easily made 60K profit at the time. How does one do this ?? Supposedly Obama is coming out with a new program that will allow people to refinance down to the current home value. I dont know how this will differ from his HAMP program, but I would see if you can do something like this while you're employed. I'm not eligible for anything due to being unemployed & checks running out soon & no jobs in site where I am. So hopefully i will be able to sell my house. Otherwise I stand to lose everything.
  • Beccy Donna 2012/01/16 17:05:00
    Beccy
    +1
    I am so sorry. My heart goes out to people who are unemployed, though no fault of their own.
  • Donna Beccy 2012/01/17 02:05:47
    Donna
    +1
    No problem, I'll survive somehow. I would try to refinance ot get the principle reduced now while you still can, any little bit would help.... and starting next year there will be a 3.8% tax on all home sales & investment sales per Obamacare, just an FYI.
  • Rore73 2012/01/16 01:15:29
    Rore73
    +3
    It's a very real possibility that the GOP will gain control of the Senate, and White House after the next election, especially if news of these "fiim flam" political schemes gets out of the public.
  • 4dc 2012/01/15 18:17:57
    4dc
    +3
    this shouldn't really surprise anyone...not at this point...time to fire them all in 2012
  • Beccy 4dc 2012/01/15 18:21:27
    Beccy
    so true
  • Racefish 2012/01/15 17:57:35
    Racefish
    +4
    Sometimes it feels like the taxpayer is a hooker that's not getting paid.
  • 4dc Racefish 2012/01/15 18:17:14
    4dc
    +3
    and the government ain't using any lubricant on us either
  • Beccy Racefish 2012/01/15 18:21:58
    Beccy
    +1
    And I don't know about you but I am tired of getting screwed
  • OPOA912 2012/01/15 15:11:22
    OPOA912
    +3
    Anytime the Federal Government gets involved they screw up everything. The Bankers are cetainly taking advantage of the situation, but Congress and OZbama are setting the rules. Let the free market work and keep Barny, Charles and others the hell out of the private sector, and while they're at it, get the hell out of the government.
  • Beccy OPOA912 2012/01/15 15:29:27
    Beccy
    The problem is the free market. There are no regulations and we need them.
  • Steve J... Beccy 2012/01/15 15:56:36
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    What free market. The banking industry has been nationalized. 95% of home loans are made by Government entities.
  • Beccy Steve J... 2012/01/15 18:22:25
    Beccy
    sure seems like it
  • Steve J... Beccy 2012/01/15 22:25:44
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    That's because the Government has screwed everything up. Nobody in their right mind would lend with them in charge.

    Post office
    DMV
    Amtrak

    Just to name a few successful endeavors of theirs.
  • OPOA912 Steve J... 2012/01/16 15:50:57
    OPOA912
    +1
    I agree. And now OZbama wants to forgive home owners that should have never gotten a home loan in the first place. Government is the problem, not the solution..............now where have I heard that before????
  • Steve J... OPOA912 2012/01/16 16:36:19
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Although, there are many homeowners that did qualify and should have been able to get a loan, that had a change that put them into the position they are in.

    An 80% income drop will do that.
  • OPOA912 Steve J... 2012/01/17 15:53:59
    OPOA912
    +1
    Agreed, so how do we handle this? Before I took out my mortgage I looked at what would happen if I lost my job. Also, I think that the banks allowed credit scores, bad credit history to be ignored and that's what drove the price of a home through the roof, more demand and less inventory. Over priced homes on the banks books, interest only loans so people could qualify thinking that they could either flip the house and make a profit, or the economy would continue to improve and they would make more money. I've been around through the 70's,80's, and 90's housing set backs and I kept saying "what goes up must come down"
  • Steve J... OPOA912 2012/01/18 03:01:24 (edited)
    Steve J~PWCM~JLA
    +1
    Well, the bankers only did what the idiots in Congress, the regulatory agencies let and told them to do.



    Granted some took it to an extreme, but the lion share played by the rules.



    What do we do? Get Government out of the way and let the market rebound. Secondarily, offer those the opportunity to lease their house back to reestablish their credit. Getting future foreclosures off the market puts a floor in place so the market CAN rebound.
  • OPOA912 Steve J... 2012/01/18 16:04:39
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    +1
    Agreed 1000%

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