For those who have been following the previous thread I created about Troy Anthony Davis, this is an update on the situation.
Sean
2011/09/21 14:57:26
For those who have been following the previous thread I created about Troy Anthony Davis, this is an update on the situation, and a link to email the District Attorney of Savannah Georgia.
I have been following this case for sometime, and I take this personal because I am anti tyranny to the nth degree, both government, and private tyranny, I do all I can to stand up to both! Even if you are one who supports state ran executions, this is a case that should absolutely outrage you, no physical evidence against this guy, witnesses that have RECANTED their statements, and here's something to think about, would Troy Davis be in this situation if the "victim" was not a cop? This is an example of government tyranny of the highest magnitude, and this is something the public should not tolerate! The public should not be tolerating any form of government, or private tyranny!
I give a lot of credit to Troy Davis's Sister Martina, she has dedicated her whole life to helping her brother, and it has really taken a toll on her, we all should be lucky enough to have family like Martina.
This is an email I got just this morning Ana Zamora from Care2 Petition Site, I encourage folks to sign this petition, if the link doesn't work, you can copy paste the link in your browser, and if there's anything on who is in a position of influence who could be of help in other ways, I encourage you to do a good deed for civilization, and for guy Troy Davis.
Dear Sean,
I
write today with devastating news. Even though thousands of activists
like yourself, signed a petition to save Troy Davis from execution, the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles denied clemency today for
Troy Davis, and his execution is scheduled for this Wednesday, September
21. This terrible decision to deny clemency for Mr. Davis is a
poignant reminder of why we must end the death penalty in the United
States and the rest of the world.
Please
e-mail the Georgia parole board and Chatham County District Attorney
Larry Chisolm and ask them to reconsider their decision.
Time is running out. There are only 24 hours left to stop the execution and we must act now. Please urge them to reconsider.
Thank you for all of your efforts in this campaign.
In solidarity,
Ana Zamora
Death Penalty Focus
www.deathpenalty.org
I have been following this case for sometime, and I take this personal because I am anti tyranny to the nth degree, both government, and private tyranny, I do all I can to stand up to both! Even if you are one who supports state ran executions, this is a case that should absolutely outrage you, no physical evidence against this guy, witnesses that have RECANTED their statements, and here's something to think about, would Troy Davis be in this situation if the "victim" was not a cop? This is an example of government tyranny of the highest magnitude, and this is something the public should not tolerate! The public should not be tolerating any form of government, or private tyranny!
I give a lot of credit to Troy Davis's Sister Martina, she has dedicated her whole life to helping her brother, and it has really taken a toll on her, we all should be lucky enough to have family like Martina.
This is an email I got just this morning Ana Zamora from Care2 Petition Site, I encourage folks to sign this petition, if the link doesn't work, you can copy paste the link in your browser, and if there's anything on who is in a position of influence who could be of help in other ways, I encourage you to do a good deed for civilization, and for guy Troy Davis.
Dear Sean,
I
write today with devastating news. Even though thousands of activists
like yourself, signed a petition to save Troy Davis from execution, the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles denied clemency today for
Troy Davis, and his execution is scheduled for this Wednesday, September
21. This terrible decision to deny clemency for Mr. Davis is a
poignant reminder of why we must end the death penalty in the United
States and the rest of the world.
Please
e-mail the Georgia parole board and Chatham County District Attorney
Larry Chisolm and ask them to reconsider their decision.
Time is running out. There are only 24 hours left to stop the execution and we must act now. Please urge them to reconsider.
Thank you for all of your efforts in this campaign.
In solidarity,
Ana Zamora
Death Penalty Focus
www.deathpenalty.org
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Lynn 2011/09/21 18:51:27





















From Amnesty International:
Amnesty International
The state of Georgia has executed Troy Anthony Davis.
Dear Sean,
I've been down here at death row, and we just heard the horrific news.
After a torturous delay of less than 4 hours, the state of Georgia has just killed Troy Anthony Davis.
My heart is heavy. I am sad and angry. The state of Georgia has proven what we already know. Governments cannot be trusted with the awful power over life and death.
Today, Georgia didn't just kill Troy Davis, they killed the faith and confidence that many Georgians, Americans and Troy Davis supporters worldwide used to have in our criminal justice system.
Wende, on our Abolish the Death Penalty Campaign team, met with Troy Davis yesterday to convey the support that he has had from all of you. He asked us to deliver this message back to you:
"The struggle for justice doesn't end with me. This struggle is for all the Troy Davises who came before me and all the ones who will come after me. I'm in good spirits and I'm prayerful and at peace."
Let's take a moment to honor the life of Troy Davis and Mark MacPhail. Then, let's take all of our difficult feelings and r...
From Amnesty International:
Amnesty International
The state of Georgia has executed Troy Anthony Davis.
Dear Sean,
I've been down here at death row, and we just heard the horrific news.
After a torturous delay of less than 4 hours, the state of Georgia has just killed Troy Anthony Davis.
My heart is heavy. I am sad and angry. The state of Georgia has proven what we already know. Governments cannot be trusted with the awful power over life and death.
Today, Georgia didn't just kill Troy Davis, they killed the faith and confidence that many Georgians, Americans and Troy Davis supporters worldwide used to have in our criminal justice system.
Wende, on our Abolish the Death Penalty Campaign team, met with Troy Davis yesterday to convey the support that he has had from all of you. He asked us to deliver this message back to you:
"The struggle for justice doesn't end with me. This struggle is for all the Troy Davises who came before me and all the ones who will come after me. I'm in good spirits and I'm prayerful and at peace."
Let's take a moment to honor the life of Troy Davis and Mark MacPhail. Then, let's take all of our difficult feelings and re-double our commitment to abolition of t...
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RIP Mark McPhail
Now,there is something you get to know if you want to change!You get only 24h and sometimes these 24h can be delay,so if you as dear communist,Sean are activist,why in the Nature's name you did NOT months ago and waiting for last minute?
You can NOT change for this guy but you can change for miljons who come after him if
you starting changing the opinion in sharia USA.
I heard about the law,overthere and the
major of the people in USA supporting the excution of criminals.This law is thanks to the
people who wants and demand this way.
This process will take alot of time if people who want to change just give a link and after one they forget about it and starting another link!
Link and petition is NOT the answer in your country but starting to influe and changing or
awakning the unconscience of your people of USA is the answer.
If you are activist but poor starting to be with people who share same value and are RICH to reach your people.Dont you think this way is much better!
Try to make them undrestand and conviece them,why is imported to stop this barbaric methods of idiots!
What is the differences between them and you if you use same method? A...
Now,there is something you get to know if you want to change!You get only 24h and sometimes these 24h can be delay,so if you as dear communist,Sean are activist,why in the Nature's name you did NOT months ago and waiting for last minute?
You can NOT change for this guy but you can change for miljons who come after him if
you starting changing the opinion in sharia USA.
I heard about the law,overthere and the
major of the people in USA supporting the excution of criminals.This law is thanks to the
people who wants and demand this way.
This process will take alot of time if people who want to change just give a link and after one they forget about it and starting another link!
Link and petition is NOT the answer in your country but starting to influe and changing or
awakning the unconscience of your people of USA is the answer.
If you are activist but poor starting to be with people who share same value and are RICH to reach your people.Dont you think this way is much better!
Try to make them undrestand and conviece them,why is imported to stop this barbaric methods of idiots!
What is the differences between them and you if you use same method? Actually goverment must be a good exemple and the most of the time cops have a huge pressure
to find the criminals so the most of the time they take the wrong man.You dont have to use my words but something like these to awake these sleepy robots in your country!
ONE DAY CAN BE THEM IN THIS POSITION.That's all and i hope my comment on your link was not so rude is just i be "peace of" when people can do something about to change for others but using the easy way.A link and then boom everything is forgotten!
This kind of change can you doing but aware your people to NOT supporting this barbaric method not some or couple activist,ONLY! Good luck,for others but i can assure you is
toolate for this one...
Communist?
Checkmate, redneck.
It's not that simple. First, if a person is tried for a capital offense the trial is expensive regardless of a death penalty conviction. That's a wash. Appeals, same thing. If he gets life he'll whine until he gets an appeal. If a person is convicted for a capital crime they don't go to general population. They go to maximum confinement facilities. Again a wash.
So if you put a person in prison in maximum confinement for life, roughly fifty years that's $1,250,000.00 to $2,000,000.00 for confinement alone.
I they get the death penalty then you can expect incarceration for about 12-15 years in Texas. Remember the express lane. That's roughly $375,000.00 to $$600,000.00 plus the cost of some rat poison.
I love that " It's cheaper to keep then alive than to kill them" Cracks me up every time.
I've got my redneck KKK ass in New England doing some consulting work and the news here is covering the trail of two men who tied up the husband, beat him with a baseball bat, took his wife to the ATM and emptied the ...
It's not that simple. First, if a person is tried for a capital offense the trial is expensive regardless of a death penalty conviction. That's a wash. Appeals, same thing. If he gets life he'll whine until he gets an appeal. If a person is convicted for a capital crime they don't go to general population. They go to maximum confinement facilities. Again a wash.
So if you put a person in prison in maximum confinement for life, roughly fifty years that's $1,250,000.00 to $2,000,000.00 for confinement alone.
I they get the death penalty then you can expect incarceration for about 12-15 years in Texas. Remember the express lane. That's roughly $375,000.00 to $$600,000.00 plus the cost of some rat poison.
I love that " It's cheaper to keep then alive than to kill them" Cracks me up every time.
I've got my redneck KKK ass in New England doing some consulting work and the news here is covering the trail of two men who tied up the husband, beat him with a baseball bat, took his wife to the ATM and emptied the account and returned to rape the mother, adult daughter and eleven (11) year old daughter all night while the husband listened. If you weren't paying attention I said eleven year old daughter. Then they set fire to them and burned the house down around them. The firemen saved the husband and he's testifying to what happened.
So tell me. You know my answer.
The annual costs are hard to track, and vary by state. But study after study has found that the death penalty is much more expensive than life in prison. The high costs of the death penalty are for the complicated legal process, with the largest costs at the pre-trial and trial stages. The point is to avoid executing innocent people. The tremendous expenses in a death penalty case apply whether or not the defendant is convicted, let alone sentenced to death.
Here are the trial costs for several cases (death penalty and non death penalty cases, California):
People v. Scott Peterson, Death Penalty Trial
$3.2 Million Total
People v. Rex Allen Krebs Death Penalty Trial
$2.8 Million Total
People v. Cary Stayner, Death Penalty Trial
$2.368 Million Total
People v. Robert Wigley, Non-Death Penalty Trial
$454,000 Total
This data is for cases where the best records have been kept.
Some of the factors:
• more pre-trial time will be needed to prepare: cases typically take a year to come to trial
• more pre-trial motions will be filed and answered
• more experts will be ...
The annual costs are hard to track, and vary by state. But study after study has found that the death penalty is much more expensive than life in prison. The high costs of the death penalty are for the complicated legal process, with the largest costs at the pre-trial and trial stages. The point is to avoid executing innocent people. The tremendous expenses in a death penalty case apply whether or not the defendant is convicted, let alone sentenced to death.
Here are the trial costs for several cases (death penalty and non death penalty cases, California):
People v. Scott Peterson, Death Penalty Trial
$3.2 Million Total
People v. Rex Allen Krebs Death Penalty Trial
$2.8 Million Total
People v. Cary Stayner, Death Penalty Trial
$2.368 Million Total
People v. Robert Wigley, Non-Death Penalty Trial
$454,000 Total
This data is for cases where the best records have been kept.
Some of the factors:
• more pre-trial time will be needed to prepare: cases typically take a year to come to trial
• more pre-trial motions will be filed and answered
• more experts will be hired
• twice as many attorneys will be appointed for the defense, and a comparable team for the prosecution
• jurors will have to be individually quizzed on their views about the death penalty, and they are more likely to be sequestered
• two trials instead of one will be conducted: one for guilt and one for punishment
• the trial will be longer: a cost study at Duke University estimated that death penalty trials take 3 to 5 times longer than typical murder trials
The numbers vary from state to state, but they all point in the same direction. From a fairly typical state study of the costs of the death penalty:
“The study counted death penalty case costs through to execution and found that the median death penalty case costs $1.26 million. Non-death penalty cases were counted through to the end of incarceration and were found to have a median cost of $740,000. For death penalty cases, the pre-trial and trial level expenses were the most expensive part, 49% of the total cost. The investigation costs for death-sentence cases were about 3 times greater than for non-death cases. The trial costs for death cases were about 16 times greater than for non-death cases ($508,000 for death case; $32,000 for non-death case).” (Kansas: Performance Audit Report: Costs Incurred for Death Penalty Cases: A K-GOAL Audit of the Department of Corrections)
Back to my question. "I know about the New England trial" is not an answer. Come on, give me you expert opinion for an appropriate punishment.
I await with bated breath as I know your liberal answer will render me defenseless on the floor rolling in laughter.
Edit: On second thought I really don't want to hear your answer. Your not funny anymore so go away, you bother me.
LOL.
And in the case of 'overturned' cases, Sotomayer can answer that one and being 'chastised' by the very court she has 'not' been appointed to ........she can answer that one too!........
http://www.tnr.com/article/po...
That would make them 'hypocrites' would it not?
Can I ask what luvguins means? Or is that too personal?