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For Christians: What do you wish anti-theists knew?

I saw a poll about what atheists wish Christians knew before talking to them. I thought I would write a blog asking almost the reverse question, but not aimed at my *atheist* friends here on SH-- warm, intelligent people who treat me and my fellow Christians with respect-- but rather to the *anti-theists* who seem to believe their raison d'etre is to belittle, bash, ridicule, mock, etc. Christians and God until Hell freezes over (that is, if they actually believed in Hell).

So, without further ado, here are ten things I wish anti-theists would know before they attempt to brighten their days by attempting to verbally assassinate me and my fellow Christians:

1. Please don't waste your time trying to convince us the universe was created from nothing by nothing for no reason at all. Congratulations for thinking life is meaningless. We're not buying it.

2. You may think you have eventually evolved from a one-celled organism that spontaneously sprang into life from non-life over a timespan of hundreds of millions of years (and if this were true, it seems some of you are more evolved than others), but we know we were created from a wholly unique design by a loving Creator in His image for a specific purpose with something no other beings possess: souls.

3. The Bible is literally the Word of God and the leading authority in our lives, so please don't pretend to be surprised or offended when we quote it to support our worldview.

4. Your morality may be based on whatever you personally deem good versus whatever you personally deem bad-- something that varies from person to person and from day to day at the whim of personal taste-- but we follow a strict code of right and wrong handed down from an Authority in whom there is no evil.

5. While we're on the subject of morality, you may believe sex with any person or persons of any or both genders at any age at any time for any reason is acceptable, but we don't and never will.

6. We're never going to agree with you on the moral acceptability of abortion, so please don't bother trying to convince us it's acceptable to "terminate" (feel free to substitute any other pleasant-sounding euphamism for murder) a blastocyst, zygote, embryo, fetus, or any other term for an unborn baby that's utilized specifically so a would-be mother and her friendly neighborhood abortionist can end said baby's life without feeling a single pang of guilt. None of us would be here if we hadn't first been blastocysts, zygotes, embryos, and fetuses, so we choose not to pretend these time periods aren't stages of human existence just as significant as infancy, toddlerhood, adolescence, and adulthood.

7. We are not perfect. We make mistakes. We screw up. We sin. This does not make us hypocrites, something with which we are constantly charged. If we *were* perfect and did *not* make mistakes and did *not* screw up and did *not* sin, we wouldn't be Christians.... We would have no need for Christ and His sacrificial death and amazing resurrection, the crowning achievement of His sinless life, if we ourselves could attain salvation due to our own unblemished goodness. Jesus Himself said, "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners"-- and we are those sinners. Going along with this admission of imperfection, we do not think we're better than you because we're Christians. To the contrary, we are the ones who see ourselves as we truly are-- utterly flawed, hapless beings in need of saving. We have no right to claim to be better than you because we are not the ones who found the truth... The Truth found us.

8. We're going to pray for you whether you like it or not. Praying is what we do. But know that when we pray, we do so not in a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou "God, I officiously pray for this unbelieving heathen who, unlike me, the wonderful and awesome worthy one, is going to burn in Hell and I'll laugh hysterically as he does" way. We pray in a "God, I'm so thankful You saved me from eternal separation from Your love and from an eternity of torment. Even though this person I'm praying for hates You and everyone who loves You, I hope he or she someday comes to know You and is spared the eternal suffering I wouldn't even wish on my worst enemy" way.

9. Bring out all the slanted statistics you want, but intelligence has nothing to do with whether or not someone believes in God. To put it simply, you are not smarter than us because you don't believe in Him. You are not being "cutting-edge" and "hip" and "cool" by rebelling against religion. We see your proud strutting and "bold" posturing, and it's no different than the preening and self-adoration that has been going on for thousands of years before you were born. You're just one tiny person in a long line of people who have thumbed their noses in the face of God throughout history. If we're sheep for following Christ, you're similarly sheep for following in the footsteps of the God-mockers before you. Looks like no one on either side of this debate can claim points for originality.

And perhaps most importantly,
10. We've heard the taunts "You base your lives on fairy tales," "You rely on an imaginary man in the sky," "You follow the words of a book written thousands of years ago by crazy men," the particularly tasteful "You worship a dead Jewish zombie," and a host of other barbs. These cheap shots are extremely worn out and yawn-worthy, and childish name-calling and blatant attempts to be shocking and offensive are what people resort to when they've very obviously run out of logic, reason, and sanity.

My fellow Christians, is there anything else you would like to add to this list?
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  • mavericky 2008/11/09 23:13:23
    mavericky
    +6
    Hey Shirkie,

    I said earlier today that I was not in the mood to answer this poll because of the long drawn out conversations my comments would bring on, but the cold medicine has kicked in and I'm feeling better - so, here goes...

    1. The idea of creationism is the only one that claims the universe came from nothing. This is not the premise of the "big bang" theory at all.

    2. "but we know we were created" - not really. There's no way possible to know this without one shred of evidence - that goes for the soul thing too.

    3. "so please don't pretend to be surprised or offended" - We're not offended when you guys use the Bible as your argument. We are surprised that people expect it to hold water in a discussion.

    4. "but we follow a strict code of right and wrong handed down from an Authority in whom there is no evil." - the Bible paints your god as a jealous, evil, murderous monster. This is not where we choose to get our moral codes.

    5. "you may believe sex with any person or persons of any or both genders at any age at any time for any reason is acceptable" - you are really overstating our views.

    6. None of us like abortion. What we need to do is work to drastically reduce the number of abortions (through sex education and making people aware of the consequences of their actions).

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    Hey Shirkie,

    I said earlier today that I was not in the mood to answer this poll because of the long drawn out conversations my comments would bring on, but the cold medicine has kicked in and I'm feeling better - so, here goes...

    1. The idea of creationism is the only one that claims the universe came from nothing. This is not the premise of the "big bang" theory at all.

    2. "but we know we were created" - not really. There's no way possible to know this without one shred of evidence - that goes for the soul thing too.

    3. "so please don't pretend to be surprised or offended" - We're not offended when you guys use the Bible as your argument. We are surprised that people expect it to hold water in a discussion.

    4. "but we follow a strict code of right and wrong handed down from an Authority in whom there is no evil." - the Bible paints your god as a jealous, evil, murderous monster. This is not where we choose to get our moral codes.

    5. "you may believe sex with any person or persons of any or both genders at any age at any time for any reason is acceptable" - you are really overstating our views.

    6. None of us like abortion. What we need to do is work to drastically reduce the number of abortions (through sex education and making people aware of the consequences of their actions).

    7. "we do not think we're better than you because we're Christians." - you may feel this way, but it is definitely not universal in your belief system.

    8. This one doesn't matter to me at all. Pray all you like (I do feel you are wasting your energy, but it's no skin off my nose.)

    9. I don't claim to be smarter - just a little better versed in critical thinking.

    10. It's not that we've run out of logic; it's that it is wasted on many Christians. We feel that your god is no more real than Zeus, Ra, or Oberon - and do feel that you god is a fairy tale. Until it is refuted - it will still be said.
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  • jams 2008/11/09 15:11:17
    jams
    +2
    The living core of the Christian faith was revealed in Scripture, illuminated by tradition, vivified in personal experience, and confirmed by reason.

    We recognize the tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion and ...; assert the right of every person to die with dignity.

    We hold governments responsible for the protection of people's basic freedoms. We believe that neither church nor state should attempt to dominate the other.

    We defend the right of individuals to practice conscientious, non-violent civil disobedience.

    We believe war is incompatible with the teachings of Christ, and we claim that it is the primary moral duty of every nation to resolve disputes peacefully.

    Our Church encourages us to think for ourselves, so we don’t necessarily share the same opinions about every faith issue or social concern.
  • 134 jams 2008/11/09 16:22:05
  • jams 134 2008/11/09 17:55:42
    jams
    +1
    I'm clearly not qualified to interpret the Social Principles of the Methodist Church, but I would think that the UMC is about as "mainstream" as it gets.

    The founder of the Methodist movement, John Wesley condemned all war as the prime example of human depravity. I think in these days we have acceded to the "just war" principles of the Roman Catholics and the other Abrahamic religions.
  • 134 jams 2008/11/09 20:44:04 (edited)
  • Ali ~ I... jams 2008/11/09 17:27:44
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +4
    Whoa! Jams, those are some amazing statements! Thank you for sharing them and I'm delighted to be reading them on a Sunday morning. Better than a sermon.
  • jams Ali ~ I... 2008/11/09 18:02:22
    jams
    +2
    They are excerpts from the Social Principles of the United Methodist Church.
  • Ali ~ I... jams 2008/11/09 19:56:26
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +4
    I wondered. I've usually enjoyed the UMC services I've attended. Thank you - this definitely enhances my appreciation of the church.
  • the dead redcoat 2008/11/09 14:43:30
    the dead redcoat
    +2
    Nice to see your beliefs laid out. They will suit some and not others. As long as you are ok in them and your fellow christians does it really matter what other people think. Dont waste time defending your beliefs, you dont have to.Just ignore the taunters and the haters. They cannot affect you. My beliefs are different to yours but they are personal to me formed through personal experience and observation. Blessed be shirkie
  • 134 the dea... 2008/11/09 16:13:39
  • Tiki 2008/11/09 14:23:24
    Tiki
    +5
    Great post, I think you said it all. God Bless.
  • 134 Tiki 2008/11/09 16:12:36
  • thir1t3en..Sie hassen mich ... 2008/11/09 13:23:52
    thir1t3en..Sie hassen mich und ich liebe es
    +3
    Hahahaha..having read #5 and reflecting on our conversation we have been having about this very subject AGAIN makes you a hypochristian. But nice poll. I'll be giggling about this all day. ;0)
    And yes, christians can be quite hateful to us non-believers, which is ironic considering you guys are supposed to be all-loving and forgiving. I dont boldly strut around with my chest puffed up and tailfeathers showing like a peacock..I am proud to be agnostic, but being pious isn't right either. Everyone is entitled to their own belief and that's how it is.
  • 134 thir1t3... 2008/11/09 16:11:27 (edited)
  • Amber V. (Bunny's *Kitten*) 2008/11/09 07:29:49
    Amber V. (Bunny's *Kitten*)
    +3
    I like to be an outcast, but I am Catholic and I do not believe everything in the Bible. Just wanted to point that out. Also some Christian comments can get pretty mean too. "You are going to hell you devil worshipping freak for not believing in God" Yeah I got that from a Christian that thought I didnt believe in God. And also " You are going to hell for questioning God" "You are going to burn in hell". I have gotten basically every "burn in hell" comment from tons of Christians. I love being an outcast so yeah that is why I have written this
  • 134 Amber V... 2008/11/09 07:31:33
  • Amber V... 134 2008/11/09 07:34:38
    Amber V. (Bunny's *Kitten*)
    +3
    Actually most of the"burn in hell" ones were from little kids because I do not like some boy band that Disney started. The guys in that band are major Christians so all of their fans are too. For some reason I skipped 8. Very nicely put
  • 134 Amber V... 2008/11/09 07:43:14
  • Amber V... 134 2008/11/09 07:46:43
    Amber V. (Bunny's *Kitten*)
    +2
    I think that is so true
  • CandleW... 134 2008/11/09 22:37:34
    CandleWitness
    +2
    Shirkie. I am not sure how gentle Jesus was about hell. He went to the cross and died a horrible death so people wouldn't have too. I am thinking He might have been passionate about His warnings. His parables were weighty.
    Jude wrote in 1:22-23 " And of some have compassion, making a differerence: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by flesh. "
    As to warning a pedestrian of a car about to hit him or her..again, I feel differently. If it was my child about to get hit, I would pull them away, scream a warning and if necessary get in the way of the car..I would think very much like Father God trying to save His child from hell.
    Shirkie, I love you sis, and I agree with everything on your list, I just think sometimes a loving warning is not enough.
  • 134 CandleW... 2008/11/11 01:37:55

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