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Razoreye001 2012/07/24 05:21:23
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  • elijahin24 2012/07/24 18:22:12
    elijahin24
    in anarchy. The rule of law would be no more. Vigilante justice would be the only law of the land.
  • kyle 2012/07/24 17:52:13
    kyle
    +1
    authoritarian.

    Although I agree that people should be free to own guns, I find it ridiculous people want to mandate people to own guns. This is especially hypocritical when it comes from people who criticized Obamacare's mandate.
  • Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO 2012/07/24 15:44:11
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    +1
    safer.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 18:23:00
    elijahin24
    +1
    idiot.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 19:21:39
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    total provided input from you

    zero

    thanks for your contribution.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 20:11:25
    elijahin24
    +1
    How exactly would our country be safer, if everyone is armed? There would be no law except vigilante justice. How does that do ANYTHING, but make it more dangerous? How many drunken fist-fights would end in shootings? How many domestic disputes would end in shootings? How many disputes at a ballgame would end in shootings?
    Doing this would instantly put guns in the hands of paroled violent criminals. How would that make us safer?
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 20:25:55
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    First off ... paroled violent criminals would STILL not be allowed to carry a gun legally.

    Secondly if everyone was armed (being of age, and passing a gun safety test as a given) how likely would it be that someone would come bursting into a public place guns blazing if they knew people would be shooting back?
    Just because people are armed does not take away the consequences of committing murder.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 21:01:11
    elijahin24
    First off...um...no...that's not what the question said. What it DID say was "...a government mandate that required all americans to own a gun..." So sorry, incorrect.

    Secondly, you may be right about much of that, but the homicidal tendancy of some people would still win out. The problem is that some would turn to vigilante justice, and just shoot the bad-guy, for fear that a trial will set him free. This will lead to ethical questions like "how far does this go? Do we kill people we suspect WILL commit a crime? What about people who do things we THINK should be criminal..." and so on. It's a very slippery slope.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 21:11:48
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    Sorry no ... if you want to take it to the illogical conclusion then you would put a gun in the hands of anyone. Arming violent criminals will NEVER pass the smell test.

    The homicidal tendency of some ALREADY wins out. Have you not been paying any attention? This levels the playing field and may just make a crazy person think twice. Otherwise their brand of "vigilante justice", as you put it, ensures there will be more.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 22:02:33
    elijahin24
    I'm going off of what the question says. I think the whole thing is illogical, and none of it passes the smell test.
    A crazy person DOESN'T think twice. that's because they're crazy. Aren't YOU paying attention? This time was an exception, but most of the time, a person who kills a bunch of people, INTENDS to die when he's done.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 22:13:34
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    dead or captured doesnt prove or disprove crazy.
    The action does ... and regardless if they think twice. How many people die in a theater if half the audience is armed?
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 22:34:35
    elijahin24
    Are you talking about this incident? You're asking how many people would have died on Friday morning, if half of the audience was armed?
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 22:48:04
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    yes. If that shooter came through the door as he did ... how many people would have lived if the audience was armed?
    Its a hypothetical question because we will never know. The point being shots are fired and people draw their gun ... shooter is dead.
    End of massacre.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 23:10:05
    elijahin24
    +1
    No. This guy was covered from head to toe with body-armor. He had the elements of surprise and darkness on his side, and in case that wasn't enough, he tear-gassed the place. So nobody would have been able to see where they were shooting, and even if they did, they still couldn't have killed him or even stopped him, because of the body-armor. What they would have done, was kill a lot more innocent people who were running away, and would have gotten in the line of fire, and probably would have killed a few of each-other. If half of the audience had drawn weapons to fire back, I'm guessing the death-toll would have been upwards of 40. And the shooter probably still wouldn't have been among them.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 23:15:23
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    speculation. We will never know.
    But a head shot stops all zombies.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 23:23:42
    elijahin24
    Not if they're dressed the way that James Holmes was.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/24 23:33:35
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    as I say ... speculation.

    20 rounds of 44 Mag hitting JH may not have killed him but it would have knocked him on his ass. That much lead flying with momentum does not simply stop because it hits a vest.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/25 03:07:01
    elijahin24
    That much led flying means that some of it will miss its target and likely hit another innocent.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/25 03:51:32
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    maybe. As I said ... at this point we can only speculate
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/25 13:11:20
    elijahin24
    But do you honestly feel that this is a chance worth taking? To put MORE lives in danger?
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/25 16:09:14
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    We would not be returning to the days of the old west with shoot outs in the streets.
    Its more of a deterrent than anything else. Can we stop crazy? No. Crazy will do what crazy does. But crazy may stop and think when the possibility of people shooting back is present.
    Think about the Virginia Tech shooter(s) or anywhere else that someone has gone on a killing spree. Cops arent around, nobody else armed, nothing to stop them.
    Should they mandate that everyone carry a gun? No. But the possibility of many people carrying will detour a lot of this kind of crazy. Just my 0.02ยข
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/25 17:44:59
    elijahin24
    I think this is a violent persons wet dream. I think it will not be a deterrent at all. I just think it puts more rounds in the air, when these things DO happen, and more lives in danger.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/25 18:10:22
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    thats not truthful either. People that DO have carry and conceal permits are NOT violent and some of the most careful at handling guns.

    At this point its only speculation as to its effectiveness.
    The one thing we do know was how it turned out without that deterrent and that people will over-react imposing even more laws about gun control. And the US Government will be all to willing to oblige a "scared" populace.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/25 18:36:42
    elijahin24
    In Missouri, all that is required to get a concel and carry license, is 2 hours training. This consists of target shooting, and knowing where the safety is. There is no training on ethics or on judging a situation to determine if drawing ones firearm, is in fact the best option. It's a simple "can you shoot in the right general direction."
    You NRA-types oppose with everything in you, even the slightest, and most reasonable gun-control legislation. You treat everyone who suggests that we should do better background checks, as if they just raped Thomas Jeffersons corpse. You treat anyone who has the audacity to say that civilians don't need assault rifles, as if they'd just burnt the flag. And then after a tragedy like this one, you shake your self-righteous fingers at US for politicizing a tragedy, saying "now is not the time to talk about it.".
    I don't remember anyone saying we shouldn't fix our national security problems after 9-11, or our emergency management system after Katrina.
    Guns are a problem in this country. Violence is a problem here. This problem needs to be addressed. Making this country more armed, in the name of scaring people who plan to die in their attacks anyway, is not an answer. We need to reduce the number of guns, not increase it.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/26 01:56:36
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    your opinion only.

    Passing more laws and making it harder for honest Americans to obtain a gun wont stop crazy. Very simple.
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/26 02:02:00
    elijahin24
    Almost everyone who has done this, got their guns legally. You don't think better gun laws would at least make it harder?
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/26 02:10:57
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    making it "harder" is not the answer. It only makes it "harder" for average people.... it doesnt address "crazy people"
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/26 02:13:18
    elijahin24
    The crazy people ARE average, until they show the crazy! Pop quiz: Of all of the weapons and ammo and armor that James Holmes used last Friday morning, what did he obtain illegally?
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/26 16:02:01
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    "The crazy people ARE average, until they show the crazy! " .... and you propose to legislate for crazy.

    That is the same mentality that says we are going to pass a law every time an accident happens. Check it out ... we are humans, accidents happen and crazy will do crazy things.

    How many more freedoms and liberties are you willing to give up to legislate crazy? How much more intrusion of an all to willing Government are you willing to grant? When will YOU feel safe?
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/26 17:43:10
    elijahin24
    We HAVE passed laws due to accidents. We have speed-limits, drunk-driving laws, laws about driving in construction-zones. We HAVE passed laws to diminish the risk that we may encounter a drunk or irresponsible driver.
    We are so ass-backwards in this country right now, and afraid to act, that it's sickening. After the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, we tried to fix our highway infrastructure; and it got tied up in red-tape. After Katrina, we tried to fix our emergency response program, and people bitched that it was too much power in one office. And every goddamned time there is a mass-shooting, some right-wing-nut-job, who can't see past the end of his own nose; gets all pissy about his fear that the government is gonna take his precious guns. To be honest, anyone who is that obsessed with his guns, probably SHOULD be looked at more closely. It isn't about patriotism or tradition. It's just that you guys worship these killing machines. There are times when it is necessary to take a life. It's tragic, and awful; but necessary sometimes. But you guys celebrate it. I find that disgusting.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/26 18:13:08
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    What???
    "But you guys celebrate it." .... what the hell does that mean?
  • elijahin24 Joe Shw... 2012/07/26 18:31:48
    elijahin24
    I thought it was pretty straight forward.
  • Joe Shw... elijahin24 2012/07/26 19:43:59
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    I think you just made a pretty giant leap in your assumptions about who I am, what I believe, and what my political views are.
    Thanks for revealing yourself to be incapable of rational thought or debate.
  • watusiw... Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 19:59:10
    watusiwaldo
    I second that..idiot!
  • Joe Shw... watusiw... 2012/07/24 20:26:39
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    oh look ... another parrot chiming in and providing jack squat to the conversation.
    Run along little one ... you cant keep up.
  • watusiw... Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 22:02:30
    watusiwaldo
    just echoing the truth...that is that you're an idiot. I'll run along, and I'm certain you can't catch up...maybe if you shoot me, fool.
  • Joe Shw... watusiw... 2012/07/24 22:15:44
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    What a POS you are. Only an idiot jumps into a conversation, spouts their ignorance and then pronounces that their ignorance reins supreme.

    Good Job douche bag. Educating you is a huge waste of anyones time.
  • watusiw... Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 22:56:44
    watusiwaldo
    you're laughable, so stupid. I'm proclaiming your ignorance. Educated by you....more laughs. Probably a high school dropout or a military brainwashed you are.
  • Joe Shw... watusiw... 2012/07/24 23:02:41
    Joe Shwingding BN-ZERO
    LOL. Your assumptions continue to confirm your ignorance. Good Job.

    I'll be going now ... there are for more idiots to deal with and you've reached your peak of stupidity.
  • watusiw... Joe Shw... 2012/07/24 23:18:18
    watusiwaldo
    ...bet I'm right.

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