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Federalist or Democratic Republican?

Robo Toaster 2010/02/20 01:59:48
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Imagine it's the 1700s. George Washington is the President. There are two major political parties, the Federalists, and the Democratic-Republicans. Alexander Hamilton, the Secretary of the Treasury, is the head of the Federalist Party, and Thomas Jefferson, the Secretary of State, is the head of the Democratic-Republican Party.

The Federalist Party platform is strong government, establishment of a national bank, and a focus on industrialization. They supported the Constitution regardless of whether it had a bill of rights.

The Democratic-Republican Party platform advocates states rights, opposition to a national bank, and a focus on the farmer. They refused to ratify the Constitution unless it had a bill of rights.

So I ask you this question. Would you be a Federalist, Democratic-Republican, or have no party like Washington did?
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  • Bob 2013/01/11 18:58:35
    Democratic Republican
    Bob
    Really if you're a Federalist you're an idiot. Plain as that. You NEED a bill of rights, you DON'T NEED a national bank, and the state based system of governing is way better than the country governing all because who knows what you need more, the entire country, or you're state, AND the country based system of governing is pretty much communism!
  • LethalCupcakes 2010/02/20 17:53:15
    None of the above
    LethalCupcakes
    +1
    I can't completely decide, but I lean towards efferson. Individual rights are extremely important. Hamilton had his points, but the vision he had is now modern day corrupted government system. Of course thats not what he was planning. I think Jefferson's vision of America probably would have ended not so well either- (obviously everything goes sour over time) but it would have taken a little bit longer.
  • unicorn_lady1 2010/02/20 08:21:34
    Democratic Republican
    unicorn_lady1
    I adore Jefferson. I think a little of both is good. When things get too much of one or the other .. it seems to be a very bad thing. :(
  • Barbara Hasler 2010/02/20 06:36:53
    None of the above
    Barbara Hasler
    +2
    My answer is biased as I have the past history to help determine my answer. One of my most favorites is Alexander Hamiliton. I admire his sheer genius. As Secretary of the Treasury he was domineering in pushing his plans for a centralized government. Jefferson wanted almost no centralized government. The individual states should have the power. The Federalists had too much government and the Democratic Republicans had to little. I'm with George Washington.
  • unicorn... Barbara... 2010/02/20 08:22:31
    unicorn_lady1
    +1
    Excellent comment!
  • janet Barbara... 2012/10/24 00:52:29
    janet
    +3
    Than you're technically federalist.( he agreed with them wether he admitted it or not)
  • Barbara... janet 2012/11/01 01:12:48
    Barbara Hasler
    Federalism has evolved far beyond what our Founding Fathers intended. In the Constitution only two items were mentioned to be funded by the federal government- The Treasury and the Military. That was it. The states were to take care of their own by their own means. One of the biggest roadblocks in the formulation of the Constitution was the insistence upon the recognition of state's rights. Now we have a bloated federal government running roughshod over the states and infringing upon the 10th Amendment as if it didn't exist.
  • Bob Barbara... 2013/01/11 19:02:20
    Bob
    +11
    by what you wrote you are pretty much a Fed.
  • TheDepressingTruth 2010/02/20 06:13:54
    Democratic Republican
    TheDepressingTruth
    Alexander Hamilton, only had one good idea in his entire life...Report on Manufactures
    beyond that...Hamilton was regarded as a monarchist sympathizer, (one of those who wanted George Washington to be King) Aaron Burr may have done the nation a great service by shooting and killing him
  • unicorn... TheDepr... 2010/02/20 08:23:49
    unicorn_lady1
    Well now... that could be considered a depressing truth! hehe
  • Barbara... TheDepr... 2012/11/01 01:23:59
    Barbara Hasler
    Alexander Hamilton was a genius and a self made man. He was orphaned at age 13 and went to work in a ship's chanderly in the Virgin Islands. He was proficient in currency rates of exchange. He begged to be sent to the branch in New York City and from there he got into high school and finished it in one in a half years. He then attended college and set his study program doing four years in a year an a half. He independently studied the law and was a highly respected lawyer. He was a Colonel in the Revolutionary war in charge of an artillary brigade. When France sent Layfette to assist in the war, Hamilton was picked by Washington to be his aide de camp to help with Layfette as he could speak fluent French.

    Hamilton as Secretary of the Treasury started the Coast Guard to collect the tariffs of vessels coming into New York harbor. He made sure that the states that had spent so much financing troops in the war got reimbursed. Granted he succombed to the enticement of power and had problems. Had he have been landed aristocracy like most of the Founding Fathers he would have been more highly respected. In my mind he was truly a self made man and did it by the time he was in his late twenties.
  • urwutuis 2010/02/20 03:18:19
    Democratic Republican
    urwutuis
    Alexander Hamilton was a stooge of The king and the rothschilds. Hence the national bank.
  • Sufferer ♏ⒶRGⒶR☝†E 2010/02/20 03:09:37
    Democratic Republican
    Sufferer ♏ⒶRGⒶR☝†E
    Personally, I would prefer parties not being needed to win, just optional, and I think there is a way to do that. I do not mind using party support to get there, but in the end the support should really be more for policy than party. That is what I liked about the Republicans, who, by the way, were misnamed intentionally by the "Federalists" as Democrats in order to slander them and scare the public, which eventually caused them to be identified as the Democratic-Republican Party. The "Federalists" did the same thing when Jefferson and other Republicans when it came to the Constitution, calling them "Anti-Federalists" when really the "Anti-Federalists" supported federalism more than the "Federalists"!
    As far as people go, Washington assisted the "Federalists" in making the Constitution dishonestly and with an illegal clause. At the same time, I was disappointed with Jefferson, because he went beyond the powers of the federal government in, I think it was, buying land.
  • Kane Fernau 2010/02/20 02:45:02
    Democratic Republican
    Kane Fernau
    +1
    States rights!
  • Arizona1950 2010/02/20 02:30:11
    None of the above
    Arizona1950
    +2
    Although he badly wanted to retire after the first term, Washington was unanimously supported by the electoral college for a second term in 1792. Throughout both his terms, Washington struggled to prevent the emergence of political parties, viewing them as factions harmful to the public good. Nevertheless, in his first term, the ideological division between Jefferson and Hamilton deepened, forming the outlines of the nation's first party system. This system was composed of Federalists, who supported expansive federal power and Alexander Hamilton, and the Democratic-Republicans, followers of Thomas Jefferson's philosophy of states' rights and limited federal power. Washington generally backed Hamilton on key issues, such as the funding of the national debt, the assumption of state debts, and the establishment of a national bank.

    Throughout his two terms, Washington insisted on his power to act independent of Congress in foreign conflicts, especially when war broke out between France and England in 1793 and he issued a Declaration of Neutrality on his own authority. He also acted decisively in putting down a rebellion by farmers in western Pennsylvania who protested a federal whiskey tax (the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794). After he left office, exhausted and discouraged over the ...

    Although he badly wanted to retire after the first term, Washington was unanimously supported by the electoral college for a second term in 1792. Throughout both his terms, Washington struggled to prevent the emergence of political parties, viewing them as factions harmful to the public good. Nevertheless, in his first term, the ideological division between Jefferson and Hamilton deepened, forming the outlines of the nation's first party system. This system was composed of Federalists, who supported expansive federal power and Alexander Hamilton, and the Democratic-Republicans, followers of Thomas Jefferson's philosophy of states' rights and limited federal power. Washington generally backed Hamilton on key issues, such as the funding of the national debt, the assumption of state debts, and the establishment of a national bank.

    Throughout his two terms, Washington insisted on his power to act independent of Congress in foreign conflicts, especially when war broke out between France and England in 1793 and he issued a Declaration of Neutrality on his own authority. He also acted decisively in putting down a rebellion by farmers in western Pennsylvania who protested a federal whiskey tax (the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794). After he left office, exhausted and discouraged over the rise of political factions, Washington returned to Mount Vernon, where he died almost three years later.

    Historians agree that no one other than George Washington could have held the disparate colonies and, later, the struggling young Republic together. To the Revolution's last day, Washington's troops were ragged, starving, and their pay was months in arrears. In guiding this force during year after year of humiliating defeat to final victory, more than once paying his men out of his own pocket to keep them from going home, Washington earned the unlimited confidence of those early citizens of the United States. Perhaps most importantly, Washington's balanced and devoted service as President persuaded the American people that their prosperity and best hope for the future lay in a union under a strong but cautious central authority. His refusal to accept a proffered crown and his willingness to relinquish the office after two terms established the precedents for limits on the power of the presidency. Washington's profound achievements built the foundations of a powerful national government that has survived for more than two centuries.
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  • unicorn... Arizona... 2010/02/20 08:31:54
    unicorn_lady1
    +1
    Amazing. I don't know about the whiskey rebellion I should read up on it. :) Thanks Arizona for all that information.
  • Arizona... unicorn... 2010/02/20 12:35:33
    Arizona1950
    +1
    I think it time we ladies show these guys how to have a discussion without name calling and belittling each other. I see the potential of some great discussions on the past, present, and future of our government and its leaders. I see no reason why it should degrade to it being all about egos or demanding that someone be right. We can't change the past. But we can do quite a lot in changing our future. What say you, my fellow countrywoman. :-)

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  • unicorn... Arizona... 2010/02/21 02:56:07
    unicorn_lady1
    +1
    I believe we all need to stay awake and fix the things gone awry in our Government. It will take every last one of us, and a great many headaches.
  • Arizona... unicorn... 2010/02/21 03:15:46
    Arizona1950
    Yes I agree. So how you doing on your research of the Whiskey Rebellion?
  • unicorn... Arizona... 2010/02/21 03:18:59
    unicorn_lady1
    +1
    Too busy fighting progressives for what I call fun :(

    I want my Country back. I will get too it and all the wondrous articles being posted in group. I really love how the group is shaping up.
  • jr 2010/02/20 02:21:07
    Democratic Republican
    jr
    +2
    Large centralized governments always leads to trouble as we can see what our government has morphed into
  • doofiegirl POTL~PWCM~JLA 2010/02/20 02:15:12
    Democratic Republican
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +3
    I'd be for less govenment and more citizen protection, as Jefferson was.
  • Arizona... doofieg... 2010/02/20 02:53:02
    Arizona1950
    +3
    Me too! ... but I really admire George Washington and believe as he did that both parties offer both good and bad. The biggest problem I see is that following a party makes you more loyal to the party than to the country. I believe George Washington saw and understood this.
  • doofieg... Arizona... 2010/02/20 03:00:13
    doofiegirl  POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +2
    That is not necessarily so. You should always be true to your beliefs, and what is best for the people, not the party. That's why I would Never make a politician!
  • Arizona... doofieg... 2010/02/20 03:18:30
    Arizona1950
    +2
    Not necessarity so? I think the last 100 years have proven this over and over again. Why we have come to the point we now have with people voting for the ideoglogy of a party rather than what is best for the country. Because of one party pitting itself against the other our Constitution has been slowly dismantled and we have lost freedoms something I think that would confound Washington today. But then again, maybe not ...

    The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments. ~ George Washington

    I really believe the two-party system we have today places the focus on the party. This focus of what is best for the party and has caused people to pick one side and distrust the other.

    Yet, I can honestly say that a one-party system would probably not work today. It would take someone far smarter than I to figure that one out. Washington put his country and his countrymen above the pettiness of both Hamilton and Jefferson and least that's what I see ... but nothing is written in stone and I live to learn which is why I wouldn't make a good politician either. :-)

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