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The Constitution of the United States of America guarantees Americans the right to free speech in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The Founding Fathers wrote this to allow people to disagree with their government and to avoid recrimination or persecution for their opposition or support of any political beliefs.

Campaign finance laws now require Americans to list their occupation and employer when donating money to a political campaign. Laws also require publicly publishing the names of donors, the recipient and the amount. This can chill free speech because anyone can look up donations and use it to punish someone. For instance, an employer may secretly disqualify an applicant because he donated to a different political party.

The First Amendment of the Constitution: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
From the Mitt Romney 2012 donation form:
"Federal law requires us to obtain and report your occupation and the name of your employer. If you are not employed, please enter None."

From the Barack Obama 2012 donation form:
"Federal law requires us to use our best efforts to collect and report the name, mailing address, occupation, and employer of individuals whose contributions exceed $200 in an election cycle."

Campaign Donation Form

Does requiring information about employment violate the First Amendment? Or is it a fair federal law?

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  • Muriel 2012/08/18 22:41:22
    Foul
    Muriel
    +1
    Just doesn't surprise me.
  • jeane 2012/08/18 20:52:27
    Foul
    jeane
    +3
    Not unless it is a substantial amount.
  • mae 2012/08/18 20:41:28
    Fair
    mae
    Politicians being as they are, and special interest groups being what they are, I believe this has become a necessary measure. A donation done properly will be weak ammuntion for those who desire to punish someone. Likewise, Everyone's donations are made public, Even Your Boss's. These days, with the climate so politically unstable, it makes sense for contributions to be made to more than one major party or candidate. Politics makes for a slippery slope, and voters change their minds on a whim. Covering all your bases is also a freedom and a right, and frankly, just is a wise business move.
  • OneLastWord 2012/08/18 19:25:23 (edited)
    Fair
    OneLastWord
    We need to see who's buying our politicians.

    Name, address, S.S. #, age, sex, employer, (if have one) and a history about the last 10 years where you lived just like getting a loan, this should be the donor’s requirements.

    Yes, voting for in a congressional and presidential election is that important.
  • JERSEYDUDE OneLast... 2012/08/18 19:38:31
    JERSEYDUDE
    +2
    its called Goldman Sachs....the largest contributor to both Obama and Mitt Romney
  • mae JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/18 21:26:04
    mae
    +1
    Yup. Not surprising...[we used to call this 'C.Y.A.' when we used similar tactics in our Nurses Union.]
  • JERSEYDUDE mae 2012/08/18 21:32:58
    JERSEYDUDE
    +1
    lol yeah America needs to C.Y.A. to Obama and Romney
  • Dan der... JERSEYDUDE 2012/08/19 03:41:51
    Dan der Mensch
    +1
    Kind of weird that GS gave to both campaigns isn't it? Almost like it doesn't matter which one wins to them - since they're basically the same politician.
  • JERSEYDUDE Dan der... 2012/08/19 03:59:16
    JERSEYDUDE
    +2
    who knows all i know is theyre all as crooked as the leaning tower of pisa
  • Vidarr 2012/08/18 19:14:57
    Fair
    Vidarr
    I think they should keep the information protected however. you shouldn't be able to look up the donors. I think its interesting they require info on occ & emp, but it should only be used in polls and such.
  • Resp 2012/08/18 18:23:34
    Fair
    Resp
    That is fair.
  • knoodelhed 2012/08/18 17:16:11
    Foul
    knoodelhed
    I'll just donate through a gift card using a combination of my confirmation and clan names, as a self employed labourer.
  • SiliconSorcerer 2012/08/18 17:01:57
    Foul
    SiliconSorcerer
    +3
    Simply no enforcement, the law they need to pass is making it illegal to pass any law that can't be enforced.
  • WWZ Captain 2012/08/18 16:18:04
  • Tea in the Harbor 2012/08/18 15:49:21
    Fair
    Tea in the Harbor
    +4
    I think it's necessary for larger donors to be transparent, and anything done by corporations ought to automatically be public domain.

    We need to know who our politicians belong to.
  • RJeffreySavlov 2012/08/18 15:46:10
    Fair
    RJeffreySavlov
    +1
    At least we will know which Union or subversive group supports the Democrat party and who has each Democrat senator and congressman in their pockets.
  • Buoyant Leadraft 2012/08/18 15:44:24
    Fair
    Buoyant Leadraft
    BIG TIME FAIR
  • bye 2012/08/18 15:32:23
    Foul
    bye
    +1
    Wow what next lie dector tests for giving a donation!
  • Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦ 2012/08/18 15:05:05
    Fair
    Yuki ~ ♦Lion King of PHÆT♦
    +1
    Freedom of speech does not guarantee freedom to be anonymous.

    Anonymity when donating a large sum of money to political campaigns is a recipe for corruption and disaster.
  • JohnT 2012/08/18 14:51:50
    Foul
    JohnT
    +1
    Just more Nanny government to track things, however being someone who does not donate big money which for me is any thing over twenty bucks I don't have to worry about it. They won't see anything near a $200.00 donation, and if I did I would want something other than lying promises of what they are going to do.
  • FordCrews 2012/08/18 14:24:13
    Fair
    FordCrews
    We need to get $ out of the ballot box, leave it to ignorant liberals to equate buying politicians to free speech. We were founded on the principle of one person, one vote, not most dollars wins, we continue down this road the middle class is dead, and there will be many, many times more poor. While the conservatives donate their money to help the poor, liberals donate their money to buy politicians to implement their dreams of universal slavery.
  • BifDaddy 2012/08/18 14:21:40
    Foul
    BifDaddy
    And I wouldn't donate if such is required.
  • Racefish 2012/08/18 14:17:19
    Foul
    Racefish
    Yes, it does violate the 1st. Democrats had pushed for campaign reform for many years and now they have some. I just wonder how many big contributions are funneled through willing 2nd parties.
  • thє вluє wαndєrєr 2012/08/18 14:05:24
  • Mark 2012/08/18 14:01:46
    Foul
    Mark
    +1
    I misread this at first, thinking it was about heart transplants.

    The donors occupation & employment could be important, it goes through achieving a more transparent government.
  • lucky 2012/08/18 13:31:33
    Fair
    lucky
    +1
    Wouldnt that make it easier to verify where the donations actually came from?
  • All American 2012/08/18 12:54:42
    Foul
    All American
    +5
    I don't see what relevance occupation and employer has to do with this. It's bad enough to have your name published for all to see, but the other two, I don't get it.
  • Rusty Shackleford 2012/08/18 12:43:17
    Foul
    Rusty Shackleford
    +2
    Gathering that information is a violation of the 4th Amendment.
  • jakep51 2012/08/18 12:23:18 (edited)
    Foul
    jakep51
    +3
    First of all who's business is it other than my own who I choose to support and donate money to? Provided they are not an illegal or terrorist organization, in which case I sure as hell wouldn't reveal my true name, nor write a check to.



    Secondly illiberal/Democrat/Progressive candidates fail to raise the big dollars because they:



    A) Support mostly splinter groups of society which they have banded together in an attempt to "create" a majority where none exists (nor should it), promising each group their own and delivering none of it.



    B) Constantly bite the hand that feeds them by attacking the very businesses which are not contributing big bucks to their campaign. (But which would if the Liberals didn't plan, desire and attempt to tax said business' out of existence)



    So now they want a call out list to try to embarrass big contributors, yet once again biting said hand.





    And the funny thing is they never learn just what mistake it is they are making.
  • Beat Magnum True Hero 2012/08/18 12:20:13
    Foul
    Beat Magnum True Hero
    Until this law changes, I will never donate so much as a dime to any political campaign.
  • Mikey 2012/08/18 11:36:34
    Fair
    Mikey
    +1
    Yes. Just look what millions of anonymous dollars have all ready done. A handful of zillionaires control all the messaging and nobody knows who they are. Did the founding Fathers intend for that?
  • Philo-Publius 2012/08/18 11:17:17
    Foul
    Philo-Publius
    +3
    When they donate, Americans should just type in 'Mickey Mouse' for name, and 'porn star' for occupation (or some creative variation thereof). It looks like there are no legal repercussions for typing anything you like into their boxes...

    ...much like SodaHead, where the majority of our users are either 1' 9" tall, make over $1 million a year, or are the identical twin of the same popular teenage scene model.
    mickey
  • PoliticallyIncorrect 2012/08/18 10:27:14
    Fair
    PoliticallyIncorrect
    +1
    Ever notice that the supporters of hiding things like contributions and/or requiring voter IDs are usually liberals? Their legacy of lying, cheating, and stealing, knows no bounds.
  • Mikey Politic... 2012/08/18 11:41:38
    Mikey
    Say what you freakin bigot?
  • Politic... Mikey 2012/08/18 13:00:16
    PoliticallyIncorrect
    +1
    What a class act you are. NOT. Nothing intelligent to say so you call a name. That's rather typical of the liberal mental disorder. I understand, poor baby.
  • Mikey Politic... 2012/08/19 01:26:51
    Mikey
    I understand you party is trying roll the minority vote back a few thousand votes and you're wishing we'd believe it's about voter fraud. Poor baby
  • Politic... Mikey 2012/08/19 02:52:45 (edited)
    PoliticallyIncorrect
    Well, Michael, let me share something about black voters. They aren't any more special than white voters. You know that in GA folks can get a free ID that will allow them to vote. Are you hanging on to your own special prejudice or do you have friends who vote several times who will lose that opportunity? In my end of GA the white Democrats voted in the name of dead folks and stole elections. IDs will stop whites, blacks, pinks, purples, and every other color and ethnic group out there from cheating. Climb down off your racist comments and work for honesty in government. It isn't all about minority votes, it's about fraud period.
  • Mikey Politic... 2012/08/19 03:56:10
    Mikey
    Right, and Ohio at first trying to shorten the number of early voting days and cutting back on hours in black districts but not white, well that's MY special prejudice at work, huh? It's not rumor. Read some online papers from Ohio.

    And when Pennsylvania completely knocks out Sunday before election voting when black churches car pool elderly members to vote, that's ME being a racist. Sure.

    ID is free! But the raised embossed copy of your birth certificate that might be in the archives of the capital city of your state so you can get the free ID is isn't free. So it's functionally a poll tax and the GOP is just hoping you wont think it's worth the road trip and trouble.

    I can get a gun license easier than I can the right to vote. You watch and see if the lines in Ohio aren't nine hours long in "certain" areas like in 2004.

    Just stop it. Deep down you know you're wrong. What your party is doing in WRONG and the sad thing is you're making excuses I'm sure you don't even believe.
  • Politic... Mikey 2012/08/19 06:37:04 (edited)
    PoliticallyIncorrect
    Would THOSE on line papers from Ohio just happen to be flaming liberal sites with a twist? I would expect no less. Try to find a site that isn't partisan and get the rest of the story. It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people can be, especially when they feed voraciously at the partisan trough. I think you will find out that they aren't cutting anything, but extending the days for the military overseas. They don't want the same thing to happen to our valiant soldiers that happened last time. Remember? Obeyme went to court the last time to keep the votes sent from the war zone from being counted.

    Care to be a little more clear on the Pennsylvania crap? It doesn't make sense. In Georgia voting day is on Tuesday, just like the rest of the country. Those busses that take the elderly still run, so are the people in Pennsylvania retarded and don't know how to transport the folks on Tuesday or what? I notice that Pennsylvania is taking people to get their FREE voter IDs, picking them up from senior homes and neighborhoods identified as not having registered citizens. Geez, transportation to get their FREE voter ID. Yep, that's really causing a problem, isn't it?

    You do have gargantuan problems, but all you have to do in GA is go to the local health department to get that birth c...



    Would THOSE on line papers from Ohio just happen to be flaming liberal sites with a twist? I would expect no less. Try to find a site that isn't partisan and get the rest of the story. It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people can be, especially when they feed voraciously at the partisan trough. I think you will find out that they aren't cutting anything, but extending the days for the military overseas. They don't want the same thing to happen to our valiant soldiers that happened last time. Remember? Obeyme went to court the last time to keep the votes sent from the war zone from being counted.

    Care to be a little more clear on the Pennsylvania crap? It doesn't make sense. In Georgia voting day is on Tuesday, just like the rest of the country. Those busses that take the elderly still run, so are the people in Pennsylvania retarded and don't know how to transport the folks on Tuesday or what? I notice that Pennsylvania is taking people to get their FREE voter IDs, picking them up from senior homes and neighborhoods identified as not having registered citizens. Geez, transportation to get their FREE voter ID. Yep, that's really causing a problem, isn't it?

    You do have gargantuan problems, but all you have to do in GA is go to the local health department to get that birth certificate. There's no trip to Atlanta. And let's see, to get a copy for legal purposes a friend from Connecticut wrote to the Bureau of Statistics and got a copy of hers. Yeah, it cost $5, that is really straining the budget. But, I forget, if they demand an ID, then the dead can't vote anymore and THAT is surely the most important factor to the liberals.

    I don't think you'll have to worry about 9 hour lines because I don't think as many will turn out this time. That's one reason Obeyme is in a panic, his base isn't galvinized. The youth don't give a crap anymore.

    Deep down I know I'm right. I've lived it, seen it, and KNOW it. What the liberals are doing is throwing a black man out to the masses and they will turn around and say that HE tried to destroy America with his socialism and murdering seniors. He's the one who stripped Medicare of $716 billion to throw into Obamacare. He's the one who has put into law that seniors will be denied some diagnostics and services because of their age. You better wake up and smell the coffee. I don't have excuses because I make none. There is no reason for excuses, the liberals have them all anyway.
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  • elptrek P.H.A.E.T.'s wizard 2012/08/18 09:19:17
    Fair
    elptrek P.H.A.E.T.'s wizard
    +2
    Forbes has confirmed that billionaire Sheldon Adelson, along with his wife Miriam, has donated $10 million to the leading Super PAC supporting presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney–and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. A well-placed source in the Adelson camp with direct knowledge of the casino billionaire’s thinking says that further donations will be “limitless.”
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/s...
    Goldman Sachs $636,080
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $502,874
    Morgan Stanley $476,300
    Bank of America $465,850
    Credit Suisse Group $421,310
    Citigroup Inc $345,265
    Barclays $322,400
    Kirkland & Ellis $295,042
    Wells Fargo $276,700
    Deloitte LLP $250,510
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $246,700
    UBS AG $240,000
    HIG Capital $219,495
    Blackstone Group $213,800
    Bain Capital $164,000
    Elliott Management $162,825
    General Electric $150,000
    Marriott International $137,827
    Bain & Co $137,300
    Ernst & Young $134,425
    1 Elliott Management $35,000 $35,000 $0
    2 UBS AG $23,700 $3,700 $20,000
    3 Abbott Laboratories $21,750 $5,250 $16,500
    4 Northwestern Mutual $21,250 $7,750 $13,500
    5 Home Depot $20,250 $250 $20,000
    6 AT&T; Inc $20,000 $0 $20,000
    6 American Greetings Corp $20,000 $20,000 $0
    6 OSI Restaurant Partners $20,000 $0 $20,000
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    Forbes has confirmed that billionaire Sheldon Adelson, along with his wife Miriam, has donated $10 million to the leading Super PAC supporting presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney–and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. A well-placed source in the Adelson camp with direct knowledge of the casino billionaire’s thinking says that further donations will be “limitless.”
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/s...
    Goldman Sachs $636,080
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $502,874
    Morgan Stanley $476,300
    Bank of America $465,850
    Credit Suisse Group $421,310
    Citigroup Inc $345,265
    Barclays $322,400
    Kirkland & Ellis $295,042
    Wells Fargo $276,700
    Deloitte LLP $250,510
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $246,700
    UBS AG $240,000
    HIG Capital $219,495
    Blackstone Group $213,800
    Bain Capital $164,000
    Elliott Management $162,825
    General Electric $150,000
    Marriott International $137,827
    Bain & Co $137,300
    Ernst & Young $134,425
    1 Elliott Management $35,000 $35,000 $0
    2 UBS AG $23,700 $3,700 $20,000
    3 Abbott Laboratories $21,750 $5,250 $16,500
    4 Northwestern Mutual $21,250 $7,750 $13,500
    5 Home Depot $20,250 $250 $20,000
    6 AT&T; Inc $20,000 $0 $20,000
    6 American Greetings Corp $20,000 $20,000 $0
    6 OSI Restaurant Partners $20,000 $0 $20,000
    9 Baker Tilly $19,250 $19,250 $0
    10 Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance $19,000 $0 $19,000
    11 Goldman Sachs $17,750 $17,750 $0
    12 PricewaterhouseCoopers $17,250 $2,250 $15,000
    13 Research Affiliates LLC $15,000 $15,000 $0
    13 Koch Industries $15,000 $0 $15,000
    13 Publix Super Markets $15,000 $0 $15,000
    13 Bacardi Ltd $15,000 $15,000 $0
    13 American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons $15,000 $0 $15,000
    13 Medco Health Solutions $15,000 $0 $15,000
    19 Bank of America $14,950 $2,450 $12,500
    20 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $14,500 $0 $14,500

    Obama - Biden
    1 Retired $23,370,135
    2 Lawyers/Law Firms $13,812,376
    3 Education $7,604,334
    4 Health Professionals $4,286,894
    5 Business Services $4,080,765
    6 Securities & Investment $3,811,521
    7 Computers/Internet $3,544,907
    8 Women’s Issues $3,520,035
    9 TV/Movies/Music $3,355,484
    10 Civil Servants/Public Officials $3,045,653
    11 Real Estate $3,012,933
    12 Misc Business $2,988,706
    13 Printing & Publishing $2,147,912
    14 Misc Finance $1,989,358
    15 Other $1,598,302
    16 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $1,447,494
    17 Democratic/Liberal $1,121,088
    18 Non-Profit Institutions $1,103,447
    19 Construction Services $1,037,605
    20 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $837,338
    Microsoft Corp $418,845
    University of California $411,386
    Dla Piper $314,977
    Google Inc $303,225
    Harvard University $276,824
    Sidley Austin LLP $269,681
    US Government $256,099
    Comcast Corp $216,156
    Stanford University $212,850
    Time Warner $191,834
    Skadden, Arps et al $181,253
    Kaiser Permanente $174,692
    US Dept of State $164,617
    Columbia University $163,148
    National Amusements Inc $154,517
    Wells Fargo $147,707
    University of Chicago $145,307
    Morgan & Morgan $140,395
    IBM Corp $131,161
    Jones Day $127,756
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