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Fast and Furious: who are the most contemptible?

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Yesterday the House of Representatives cited Eric Holder, the
Attorney General, for contempt of Congress. They did this because he
refuses to let them see critical documents about Operation Fast and
Furious. This should have surprised no one. Republicans had the votes,
and even some Democrats agreed with them. But as contemptible as Eric
Holder has been, most House Democrats behaved even worse. They poured
contempt on themselves, the House, the memory of a dead federal agent,
and on the people’s liberties.


Fast and Furious Votes

The House voted twice to cite Holder, first for criminal contempt,
second for civil. This was no frivolous exercise. Technically, Rep.
Darrell Issa (R-CA) accuses Holder of a criminal act: withholding
information from Congress, information that he ought to let them see.
But Congress usually refers criminal contempt cases to the United States
Attorney for the District of Columbia. Eric Holder is that man’s boss.
He isn’t likely to investigate very far.


So in addition, the House cited him civilly as well. That lets the
House hire its own lawyer and take Holder before a judge. Now a judge
would ask to see the documents that Holder won’t show. If Holder doesn’t
show them to the judge, now he’s in contempt of court. If he
does, then maybe the American people will learn how much he knew about
Operation Fast and Furious while it went down, and how much he knew before and after Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty.


Before the first vote took place, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) moved
to reprimand Chairman Issa. She said he has run a partisan
investigation and a “witch hunt.” The House voted her down. Democrats
then tried to refer the matter back to the House Oversight Committee;
the House voted that down, too.


To no one’s surprise, Republicans (all but two) voted
to cite Holder both times, and they had the votes alone. But rumors,
even before the votes, had several Democrats breaking ranks to vote to
cite Holder also. Break ranks they did, at least seventeen of them.


That’s when most of the House Democratic Caucus did the contemptible
thing. 110 of them got up and walked out of the House chamber.


Democrats apologize for Holder and Fast and Furious
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


The Congressional Black Caucus threatened
to do this the day before. When they did, Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic
Floor Leader, joined them. (Sixty-five Democrats stayed in the chamber
to cast “No” votes.) Outside, on the Capitol steps, Pelosi said:


Just when you think you have seen it all. Just when you
think they couldn’t possibly go any further over the edge, they come up
with something like this. What is happening here is shameful.


Pelosi seemed to have forgotten what the vote was all about:
Operation Fast and Furious, the thousands of guns that “walked” during
that operation, the deaths of two federal agents and 200 Mexican
nationals, and even Agent Terry’s name. (She probably needn’t feel too bad; White House Press Secretary Jay Carney couldn’t remember that name, either.)


Again to no one’s surprise, the White House condemned the contempt votes, too. The White House said several things, some obviously contrary to fact:


  • Operation Fast and Furious was nothing new; George W. Bush “walked”
    guns, too. (Not true. In the Bush days, the ATF bureau tracked those
    guns. Eric Holder’s ATF tracked almost none of them.)
  • Eric Holder stopped guns from walking. (He did, only after it started on this watch. Issa is trying to find out whether it started on Holder’s orders.)
  • Republicans prefer “political theater” to oversight. (This drama is
    political because it concerns a political question: should private
    citizens own or carry guns, or not? Eric Holder is on record saying that
    “we”—and who’s “we”?—have to “brainwash” people against guns.)

The White House seems to think that Chairman Issa’s goal is to bring
down the (putative) President himself. Issa has a much larger goal: to
find out how this government let gangsters get their hands on two automatic rifles and use them to kill two US LEOs and 200 Mexican civilians. And Issa should
seek to protect the Second Amendment against a putative President and
an Attorney General who want to abrogate it. And considering the kind of
Supreme Court we now have, that would be ridiculously easy. (Slap an
annual tax on every gun owner. Did not Chief Justice John Roberts say
that the power to tax has no limit?) Easy, that is, if the Democrats
controlled the House. They do not.


And that is the real reason why anyone in Congress is
investigating Operation Fast and Furious. In 2010, Republicans won
control of the House. Had this not happened, Ranking Member Elijah
Cummings (D-MD), as Chairman at Oversight, would have accepted Eric
Holder’s first letter saying that no such operation as Fast and Furious
exists or existed. That would have been the end of it. But that letter
wasn’t true. Holder had to take it back. That’s what those documents that Issa is after, are all about:


  1. Why did Holder say that no such operation as Fast and Furious exists or existed, when it did?
  2. When did he find out that Operation Fast and Furious did exist, and was as bad as Issa said?

And what does Nancy Pelosi (and Holder, too) mean by accusing
Republicans of “putting politics ahead of public safety”?
OnTheIssues.org tracks
three votes she cast. Those votes clearly show that she favors “gun
control.” The Pennsylvania Firearms Owners’ Association has more on her wants: stopping guns from crossing State lines, and a national gun registry. So when she speaks of public safety,
mightn’t she be talking about gun control? She is not on record as
saying this out loud, but nearly everyone in or out of Washington, DC
knows what she thinks. And that is: that no person, except a
law-enforcement officer, a military service member, or an official
bodyguard, ought ever to carry a gun.


But today, Holder surely knows that he and his friends have failed
completely to “brainwash people against guns.” After all, his boss is
“the best gun salesman in America today.” So he does not dare raise the real issue at the heart of Fast and Furious. And if he raised it confidentially with his boss,
the boss (i.e. Barack Obama) wouldn’t care to raise it, either, or have
anyone else raise it. Hence the claim of “executive privilege,” and
Holder’s consistent withholding of information.

What say you?

Who were the most contemptible players here? Holder? Obama? Pelosi? Issa? House Democrats? House Republicans? Everybody?

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  • mal 2012/06/29 18:08:44
    Undecided
    mal
    +11
    If holder had nothing to hide for himself, obama , napolitano or any other conspirator he would show the documents.

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  • Andrew 2012/06/29 23:56:07 (edited)
    None of the above
    Andrew
    +5
    In this instance it is both Holder and the President! Americans and Mexicans need to know why some of our own needed to die and what was the reasoning behind the plan and what they hoped to accomplish. If finding the reason for Brian Terry's death is a witch hunt, then count me IN!!!
  • Yankee Traveler 2012/06/29 23:50:32
    All of the above
    Yankee Traveler
    +1
    There isn't anyone in Washington D.C. ( politicians ) that isn't guilty of this operation Fast and Furious at one level or another!!!
  • Patriotic 2012/06/29 23:07:18
    Any or all Republicans
    Patriotic
    They don't really want to know what happened, or how the program came about. If that were so, they would have subpoenaed the last Attorney General as well. This is nothing more than a witch hunt against the president, and it will come back to bite them.
  • heirsof... Patriotic 2012/06/29 23:33:37 (edited)
    heirsoftheking
    +7
    Holder messed with Florida, AND HE LOST! (He and his Justice Department tried to stop us from purging our voting rolls of illegal voters. Earlier this week a Federal Judge over-ruled him.)
    Don t mess with Florida
  • Patriotic heirsof... 2012/06/30 04:22:31 (edited)
    Patriotic
    So, you call WWII vets illegal voters? That's who, among other legal voters have been purged. Holder hasn't lost anything. His own department is not going to prosecute him...duh! The injunction against Florida still stands, so you haven't won a thing.
  • william... Patriotic 2012/06/30 02:01:46
    william farrell
    +4
    they subpoenaed the people responsible for fast and furious. they are investigating fast and furious. two hundred people have been killed by those weapons. we let guns be taken into mexico knowingly, and we knew at least several times that we were selling weapons to felons. if obama knew about this, he should face the consequences of just how stupid and irresponsible this was. william
  • Patriotic william... 2012/06/30 04:25:29
    Patriotic
    There have been programs just like this run under the Bush administration. Why not look at those too? People have been getting killed in Mexico long before Obama took office. This is nothing new. Can you say...Witch Hunt? Nothing will come of this anyway since the Holder heads the DOJ. They have already declined to prosecute their boss. What a waste of tax payer money!
  • seadog6... william... 2012/06/30 08:13:04
  • Striker Patriotic 2012/06/30 13:12:36
    Striker
    They keep hoping to hide those witches, and one day that bite will take a big chunk out of Pseudo-Prez's behinder.
  • Matt 2012/06/29 23:06:26
    All of the above
    Matt
    +1
    For years, both parties have allowed billions in foreign aid, sales, and gifts of weapons to enemies, or future enemies, such as Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Panama, Columbia, and countless others.

    We expected them to be used against others.

    Our chickens are soon coming home to roost.

    It doesn't matter because this too will generate more income for the industrial war machine. They made billions while creating our problems and now they are making trillions for making those same problems worse.

    chickens coming home to roost
  • william... Matt 2012/06/30 02:06:13
    william farrell
    +2
    you are speaking about sales of weapons between countries where both entities knew what was happening. fast and furious was a bunch of weenies who decided they would help supply weapons to smugglers who were taking them into mexico. mexico didn't know about it and now a bunch of people are dead. william
  • Matt william... 2012/06/30 02:29:26
    Matt
    Just what exactly was Reagan's guns for drugs trade between Iran and Panama, El Salvador, and Cuba ? Your tax dollars paid for both the guns and the drugs.

    I don't believe that any of the sales reduced our national deficit. Government representatives only become "weenies" when they are caught.
    Iran conta
  • Sgt Major B 2012/06/29 23:05:33
    Any or all Democrats
    Sgt Major B
    +7
    Democrats - subverting American freedom since before the Civil War!
  • heirsoftheking 2012/06/29 22:59:33 (edited)
    Any or all Democrats
    heirsoftheking
    +5
    If they're tired of being called asses, then how 'bout weirdoes? OBAMA weirdo
  • Icono1 2012/06/29 22:26:05
    Barack H. Obama
    Icono1
    +7
    The 0bie for all of the obvious reasons. The ExOdr he placed on this is just the icing on the cake in my mind.
  • Pearlie Momi♥Patriot Warrior♥ 2012/06/29 21:26:18
    Eric Holder
    Pearlie Momi♥Patriot Warrior♥
    +8
    If you have nothing to hide , tell it now and be done with it.
    Both Holder and Obama..
  • Rodney Pearlie... 2012/06/30 02:03:50
    Rodney
    +3
    LOL, If they don't, they are really stupid! Oh...wait...Obie and Holder. I forgot for a minute who we were talking about. LOL
  • Pearlie... Rodney 2012/07/01 05:43:22
    Pearlie Momi♥Patriot Warrior♥
    +2
    Obama wants to hide the bad news...If it was good, there would be no executive order. Bye Bye Obama...People are not stupid, except for the libs, but some Democrats did vote Yes on contempt ....
  • Rodney Pearlie... 2012/07/01 21:36:12
    Rodney
    +2
    LOL, yup, the cover-up is always worse then the truth.
  • Pearlie... Rodney 2012/07/02 19:56:22
    Pearlie Momi♥Patriot Warrior♥
    +1
    Right.:^))
  • kiwimac 2012/06/29 20:41:05
    House Republicans
    kiwimac
    You might want to note the following:

    ". . .The "Fast and Furious" imbroglio may have just gone sideways on House Republicans. Just prior to them leading a House vote for contempt against Attorney General Eric Holder on Thursday, a far-reaching investigation published by Fortune magazine poked major holes in the conservative storyline about the alleged gun operation. Claims that law enforcement engaged in a deadly plot to let Mexican outlaws smuggle US guns, the magazine reports, are based on allegations by a lone whistleblower who may in fact be the only person who did any illegal gun-smuggling. The real cause of violence and crime south of the border, it reports, is lax gun laws in Arizona and elsewhere pushed by Republicans and their friends at the National Rifle Association. . ."

    Source: http://www.motherjones.com/mo...

    Fortune article: http://features.blogs.fortune...
  • Jackie ... kiwimac 2012/06/29 20:43:46 (edited)
    Jackie G - Poker Playing Patriot
    +4
    Yes I read it - they leave out so many things, facts testified to in committee and give credence to things proven not true. Sad divisive article
  • Temlako... kiwimac 2012/06/29 21:32:12
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +7
    Nothing but a propaganda piece commissioned by the White House, the Brady Campaign, Handgun Control Incorporated, and other such outfits too numerous to count.
  • william... kiwimac 2012/06/30 02:11:22
    william farrell
    there are other reports, based on doj documents that show this went on for a couple of years. that many people were in the loop. and multiple gun shipments were made. over two hundred people are dead. we helped that happen. we are responsible. it's our government that approved this. we're responsible. your far reaching investigation is a con-job. william
  • kiwimac william... 2012/06/30 02:25:13
    kiwimac
    You are suggesting that Fortune penned a piece commissioned by the White House? You might want to raise that with them, I'm sure that a nice defamation suit would improve their coffers.
  • Don Leuty 2012/06/29 19:59:24
    Eric Holder
    Don Leuty
    +7
    Eric is the one caught holding the bag. Obstructionists like Pelosi don't help the two families that have lost loved ones. BTW, why are we only hearing about the Anglo. Chicano blood was spilled, too.
  • MarinerFH 2012/06/29 19:45:15
  • Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2012/06/29 19:44:13
    Eric Holder
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +6
    If he is the fall guy then so be it. He needs to answer the questions with documents. I am sure that many many others know what botched the failed program and had it gone the other way he would have taken credit.
  • none 2012/06/29 19:44:09
    Undecided
    none
    +7
    Holder for being completely uncooperative and now Obama who's obviously involved or he wouldn't have evoked Executive Privilege, throw the book at both those lying SOBs.
  • Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~ 2012/06/29 19:02:29
    Any or all Democrats
    Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~
    +4
    They're all showing their true colors on this issue. There might be a couple that are rational, but I haven't seen them.
  • mk, Smartass Oracle 2012/06/29 18:59:24
  • No nonsense NanC...don't BS... 2012/06/29 18:58:21 (edited)
    Nancy Pelosi
    No nonsense NanC...don't BS me!
    +8
    Perhaps it is all Democrats, but I can't help but think there are some who
    are honorable. But in my mind, Nancy Pelosi's playing the race card is
    most contemptible...... and then smugly walking our of the House floor vote
    with the CBC and Many Hispanics. That is nothing but pure divisive and racist promoting
    racism.
  • heirsof... No nons... 2012/06/29 23:05:51
  • V~POTL~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/29 18:58:02
    Eric Holder
    V~POTL~PWCM~JLA
    +7
    Holder is covering for someone -- either above or below him in the chain of command. My guess is "above".
  • Pedro Doller ~Inc. 2012/06/29 18:50:08
    All of the above
    Pedro Doller ~Inc.
    +4
    It is mostly Holder, he has a history and this is connected to that history.

    "In 2007, then private attorney Eric Holder defended the group that funneled $1.7 million into the Columbian group AUC (Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia) – a U.S. designated terrorist organization. In addition to funding, Chiquita International Brands (CIB) helped the group illegally import over 3,000 AK-47s and 5 million rounds of ammunition into a country ripped apart by drug wars. And Eric Holder not only defended CIB, he initially argued to the court that CIB had done nothing wrong. When that did not work, he helped CIB negotiate a relatively small fine and eliminate legal penalties for the CIB employees who facilitated the illicit weapons transactions."

    http://www.aesopsretreat.com/...

    So who ran those guns? Holder knows them all.

    So what about Obama? Could it be that he has chosen sides in the Drug Cartel Wars in Mexico? Could that be where the guns were going. Why doesn't anybody know that he has sent special forces and has trained Mexican Assassin squads to fight in this Mexican Drug war? Is that what he is covering up. A missuse of America's Military.

    An estimated 1100 people are killed every year in the Mexican Drug war.....in the United States.

    http://narcosphere.narconews....
    ...

    It is mostly Holder, he has a history and this is connected to that history.

    "In 2007, then private attorney Eric Holder defended the group that funneled $1.7 million into the Columbian group AUC (Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia) – a U.S. designated terrorist organization. In addition to funding, Chiquita International Brands (CIB) helped the group illegally import over 3,000 AK-47s and 5 million rounds of ammunition into a country ripped apart by drug wars. And Eric Holder not only defended CIB, he initially argued to the court that CIB had done nothing wrong. When that did not work, he helped CIB negotiate a relatively small fine and eliminate legal penalties for the CIB employees who facilitated the illicit weapons transactions."

    http://www.aesopsretreat.com/...

    So who ran those guns? Holder knows them all.

    So what about Obama? Could it be that he has chosen sides in the Drug Cartel Wars in Mexico? Could that be where the guns were going. Why doesn't anybody know that he has sent special forces and has trained Mexican Assassin squads to fight in this Mexican Drug war? Is that what he is covering up. A missuse of America's Military.

    An estimated 1100 people are killed every year in the Mexican Drug war.....in the United States.

    http://narcosphere.narconews....
    http://www.phibetaiota.net/20...
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/...
    http://noramintel.com/u-s-ass...
    (more)
  • Sheηaηigaηs™ 2012/06/29 18:48:51 (edited)
    Any or all Democrats
    Sheηaηigaηs™
    +6
    ALL DEMOCRATS!!



    They don't want to find out NOR tell Terry's parents how their son was killed.



    evil holder
  • Kat ♪.B... Sheηaηi... 2012/06/29 19:26:59
    Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~
    +5
    Or Mexico what happened to the Mexican citizens that were murdered either.
  • Sheηaηi... Kat ♪.B... 2012/06/29 22:02:05
    Sheηaηigaηs™
    +3
    Obama and Calderon don't give a stinky crap about them, Calderon will look the other way just as long as Obama is soft on the illegals.
  • Kat ♪.B... Sheηaηi... 2012/06/29 22:02:50
    Kat ♪.BTO-t-BCRA-F~PWCM~
    +3
    Sad but true. Politics sucks.
  • Sheηaηi... Kat ♪.B... 2012/06/29 22:06:30
    Sheηaηigaηs™
    +3
    Vote Obama out in Nov. and he will get one more liar out of the way (the main one).

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