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Fast and Furious, there is a fundamental misconception?

Carol 2012/06/27 19:16:16
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Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.
Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.
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  • stevmackey 2012/06/28 00:27:35
    Yes
    stevmackey
    +1
    This s good to know.
  • Carol stevmackey 2012/06/28 01:30:30
    Carol
    Thanks, that is what I thought.
  • Max 2012/06/27 20:50:08
    No
    Max
    Federal officials were aware that straw purchasers were buying these guns in order to take them back across the border. That's the problem as I see it. They were tracking them on video and it has been testified to in front of Congress. I think anything else is beside the point.
  • Carol Max 2012/06/27 22:50:14
    Carol
    Voth's mandate was to stop gun traffickers in Arizona, the state ranked by the gun-control advocacy group Legal Community Against Violence as having the nation's "weakest gun violence prevention laws." Just 200 miles from Mexico, which prohibits gun sales, the Phoenix area is home to 853 federally licensed firearms dealers. Billboards advertise volume discounts for multiple purchases.
    Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."
    By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.
    The agents faced numerous obstacles in what they dubbed the Fast and Furious case. (They named it after the street-racing movie because the suspects drag raced cars together.) Their greatest difficu...
    Voth's mandate was to stop gun traffickers in Arizona, the state ranked by the gun-control advocacy group Legal Community Against Violence as having the nation's "weakest gun violence prevention laws." Just 200 miles from Mexico, which prohibits gun sales, the Phoenix area is home to 853 federally licensed firearms dealers. Billboards advertise volume discounts for multiple purchases.
    Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."
    By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.
    The agents faced numerous obstacles in what they dubbed the Fast and Furious case. (They named it after the street-racing movie because the suspects drag raced cars together.) Their greatest difficulty by far, however, was convincing prosecutors that they had sufficient grounds to seize guns and arrest straw purchasers. By June 2010 the agents had sent the U.S. Attorney's office a list of 31 suspects they wanted to arrest, with 46 pages outlining their illegal acts. But for the next seven months prosecutors did not indict a single suspect.
    On Dec. 14, 2010, a tragic event rewrote the narrative of the investigation. In a remote stretch of Peck Canyon, Ariz., Mexican bandits attacked an elite U.S. Border Patrol unit and killed an agent named Brian Terry. The attackers fled, leaving behind two semiautomatic rifles. A trace of the guns' serial numbers revealed that the weapons had been purchased 11 months earlier at a Phoenix-area gun store by a Fast and Furious suspect.
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  • SickOfBigGov 2012/06/27 20:24:23
    No
    SickOfBigGov
    So release the documents.. Sounds like there's nothing to fear!
  • Carol SickOfB... 2012/06/27 22:59:58
    Carol
    In their Jan. 5 meeting, Hurley suggested another way to make a case: Voth's team could wiretap the phone of a suspected recruiter and capture proof of him directing straw purchasers to buy guns. This would establish sufficient proof to arrest both the leaders and the followers.
    On Jan. 8, 2010, Voth and his supervisors drafted a briefing paper in which they explained Hurley's view that "there was minimal evidence at this time to support any type of prosecution." The paper elaborated, "Currently our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place, albeit at a much slower pace, in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators."
    Rep. Issa's committee has flagged this document as proof that the agents chose to walk guns. But prosecutors had determined, Voth says, that the "transfer of firearms" was legal. Agents had no choice but to keep investigating and start a wiretap as quickly as possible to gather evidence of criminal intent.
    Ten days after the meeting with Hurley, a Saturday, Jaime Avila, a transient, admitted methamphetamine user, bought three WASR-10 rifles at the Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz. The next day, a helpful Lone Wolf employee faxed Avila's purchase form to ATF to flag the ...
    In their Jan. 5 meeting, Hurley suggested another way to make a case: Voth's team could wiretap the phone of a suspected recruiter and capture proof of him directing straw purchasers to buy guns. This would establish sufficient proof to arrest both the leaders and the followers.
    On Jan. 8, 2010, Voth and his supervisors drafted a briefing paper in which they explained Hurley's view that "there was minimal evidence at this time to support any type of prosecution." The paper elaborated, "Currently our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place, albeit at a much slower pace, in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators."
    Rep. Issa's committee has flagged this document as proof that the agents chose to walk guns. But prosecutors had determined, Voth says, that the "transfer of firearms" was legal. Agents had no choice but to keep investigating and start a wiretap as quickly as possible to gather evidence of criminal intent.
    Ten days after the meeting with Hurley, a Saturday, Jaime Avila, a transient, admitted methamphetamine user, bought three WASR-10 rifles at the Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz. The next day, a helpful Lone Wolf employee faxed Avila's purchase form to ATF to flag the suspicious activity. It was the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday weekend, so the agents didn't receive the fax until Tuesday, according to a contemporaneous case report. By that time, the legally purchased guns had been gone for three days. The agents had never seen the weapons and had no chance to seize them. But they entered the serial numbers into their gun database. Two of these were later recovered at Brian Terry's murder scene.
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  • Andrew 2012/06/27 19:25:35
    No
    Andrew
    +1
    The is hogwash! The ATF agents didn't track most of the weapons at all! Who gave the order to ignore this is the question. Perhaps it is all just incompetence, but that is enough to send Holder packing!
  • Kern Andrew 2012/06/27 19:51:12
    Kern
    Bush let Al Qaeda into this country with two bombs (airplanes) so they could blow up two buildings and what did the Republicans do, reelect him. How's that for hypocrisy?
  • keymanjim Kern 2012/06/27 20:02:39
    keymanjim
    +1


    Time for a new meme. That one's worn out.
  • Andrew Kern 2012/06/27 20:11:02
    Andrew
    Howcould Republicans re-elect him? They are outnumbered by Democrats and add in the Independents, who everyone tells me lean toward the Democrat Party. Is it possible for this minority party to defeat the great power of the combined Democrats and Independents?

    Can you document the "fact" that Bush "let" Al Qaeda into this country? Or are you simply parroting Progressive (Regressive) nutcase rhetoric?!
  • Kern Andrew 2012/06/27 20:37:43
    Kern
    How could Republicans reelect him? Well, it called voting for him. They could have had the sack to man up and not vote for the crook but they chose vote for him. That's how they reelected him.

    He was warned that Al Qaeda was coming by the Clinton administration and a report. He chose to ignore both so he let them in.

    When was the last time the Republicans didn't add to our national debt? Why did the Republicans release the name of CIA agent involved in national security and use executive privilege to try and cover it up?
  • Andrew Kern 2012/06/27 20:43:10
    Andrew
    Once again, the GOP is a decided minority in this country. It took alot more than just Republicans to re-elect him!

    Republicans in Congress balanced the budget during the Clinton Administration. Presidents don'tdictate spending, Congress does and the Gingrich Congress balanced the budget!

    Clinton was handed Osama bin Laden and refused. Bush had no idea how woAl Qaeda would attack, because Clinton had stopped dealing with shady characters through the CIA during his term in office!
  • Kern Andrew 2012/06/27 20:55:19
    Kern
    You are the only Republican I know that claims Republicans are the minority. Were do you get your info from.

    The Republicans balanced the budget during the Clinton years? Well, if the policies pushed by the Republicans balanced the budget, why did they stop working when Bush lowered the tax rates? If what you claim is true, we should still have a balanced budget because all of those policies are still in place while the Clinton tax hikes are not.

    Clinton was not handed bin Laden. When he went after him the Republicans said he was trying to distract attention from his law suit. Bush was handed bin Laden but didn't take the deal.

    I really don't know what you're talking about when you say Clinton stopped deal with shady characters.
  • Andrew Kern 2012/06/27 21:02:21
    Andrew
    Wrong on all points!
  • Kern Andrew 2012/06/28 18:04:04
    Kern
    +1
    Really? Those policies, the cutting welfare policies, aren't in place any more? Good little parrot. Keep repeating what you are told and deny all of the facts.
  • Carol Andrew 2012/06/27 22:56:45
    Carol
    It was nearly impossible in Arizona to bring a case against a straw purchaser. The federal prosecutors there did not consider the purchase of a huge volume of guns, or their handoff to a third party, sufficient evidence to seize them. A buyer who certified that the guns were for himself, then handed them off minutes later, hadn't necessarily lied and was free to change his mind. Even if a suspect bought 10 guns that were recovered days later at a Mexican crime scene, this didn't mean the initial purchase had been illegal. To these prosecutors, the pattern proved little. Instead, agents needed to link specific evidence of intent to commit a crime to each gun they wanted to seize.

    ATF agent John Dodson
    None of the ATF agents doubted that the Fast and Furious guns were being purchased to commit crimes in Mexico. But that was nearly impossible to prove to prosecutors' satisfaction. And agents could not seize guns or arrest suspects after being directed not to do so by a prosecutor. (Agents can be sued if they seize a weapon against prosecutors' advice. In this case, the agents had a particularly strong obligation to follow the prosecutors' direction given that Fast and Furious had received a special designation under the Justice Department's Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. That designation meant more resources for the case, but it also provided that prosecutors take the lead role.)
  • Andrew Carol 2012/06/28 00:41:38
    Andrew
    This is all a smoke screen for the fact that Holder won't deliver the documents he is required to deliver!
  • Carol Andrew 2012/06/28 01:31:22
    Carol
    Not I believe you are incorrect.

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