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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/06/21 19:53:11
    Undecided
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    With this "Fast and Furious" It looks like you have to have a program to know the players!!!!
  • Dan (Politicaly Incorrect) 2012/06/21 19:37:55
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Dan (Politicaly Incorrect)
    +6
    There is not doubt now that this goes all the way to the White House. Obama is known to be vehemently anti-gun and this was his attempt to get public out cry for more gun control. This is not only treasonist ,it is out right accessory to murder.
  • Scalded... Dan (Po... 2012/06/21 20:05:58
    Scalded Eagle
    +6
    All true.
  • jackolantyrn356 2012/06/21 19:32:36
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    jackolantyrn356
    +3
    It may not be exactly treason in this case, but he has more than made up for treason in several other places over the past 4 years
  • Scalded... jackola... 2012/06/21 20:13:19
    Scalded Eagle
    +1
    So we nail them for the cover-up?
  • Josh Robinson 2012/06/21 19:22:19
  • Scalded... Josh Ro... 2012/06/21 20:08:24
    Scalded Eagle
    +4
    Okie Doke. Laughing chimp
  • Defend ... Scalded... 2012/06/22 11:27:14
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    I see you hate the truth its gonna be funny when obama and holder are in gitmo
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/22 22:15:16
  • Josh Ro... joseph ... 2012/06/22 23:08:04 (edited)
    Josh Robinson
    +1
    So it seems you've been going from post to post calling people paranoid... That's how you spend your time on SodaHead...? confused look gif
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/22 23:50:30
    joseph digristina
    Only with the paranoid, which you all are. Have fun in the Con asylum you irrational Obama bashing hater.
  • Josh Ro... joseph ... 2012/06/23 00:38:46
    Josh Robinson
    You're adorable... awe gif awe gif awe gif
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/23 01:12:31
    joseph digristina
    You're lovely too. How many old Democratic ladies did you scare away from the voter registrar's office in Florida today? Scott's steal 1,000 votes a day plan untill the election working out for you? claws
  • Josh Ro... joseph ... 2012/06/23 01:22:56
    Josh Robinson
    +1
    I see you searched claws and chose the star-nosed mole. Did you already know star-nosed mole was in the claws search or did you choose it kind-of at random? How long have you been projecting your issues on to others then cursing them for believing it...?
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/23 01:26:03
    joseph digristina
    How long have you been stealing voter rights from old people , blacks and Hispanics? Did you just start this year, or were you in on the 2000 fraud too?
  • Josh Ro... joseph ... 2012/06/23 01:34:26 (edited)
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/23 02:10:28
    joseph digristina
    You're the one imagining impeachment charges hairbrain.
  • Josh Ro... joseph ... 2012/06/23 14:13:38
    Josh Robinson
    That'll be your little secret. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin...
  • joseph ... Josh Ro... 2012/06/23 19:12:16
    joseph digristina
    You need not bother contacting me anymore.I know you Cons have a big job on your hands trying to figure new ways to deny voters their Constitutional right to vote, and that time is short.
  • UnusualSuspect 2012/06/21 19:04:57
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    UnusualSuspect
    +1
    Obama did not commit treason.

    Contrary to what the author thinks, executive privilege is appropriate anywhere, anytime, any place.

    You may not like it, but every President has the right to use it, and every President has used it.

    Get used to it.
  • dvd Unusual... 2012/06/21 19:38:39
  • Unusual... dvd 2012/06/21 20:02:39
    UnusualSuspect
    +1
    And what was George Bush hiding when he told Harriet Miers and another WH counsel not to reveal the name of 9 lawyers when he exercised Executive Privilege?
  • dvd Unusual... 2012/06/22 05:49:37
  • Yo'Adri... dvd 2012/06/24 20:02:44
    Yo'Adrienne..AFCL
    BOOM.............http://youtu...
  • joseph ... Unusual... 2012/06/22 22:18:19
    joseph digristina
    I think he was hiding under the desk. Harriet was pissed.
  • Lady Wh... Unusual... 2012/06/21 19:54:03
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    You're probably right....
  • Temlako... Unusual... 2012/06/21 22:38:58
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    I never heard you, or anyone on your side, cutting George W. Bush any such slack.

    Nor Richard M. Nixon, forty years ago. I was alive at the time and have a near-eidetic memory for those years, so don't try to put anything over on me about that.
  • Unusual... Temlako... 2012/06/21 22:47:14
    UnusualSuspect
    +1
    OK...so old George never got cut any slack...he still used executive privilege and executive orders to suit himself and his way of thinking, didn't he?

    I didn't like it, but what can you do about it?

    Nothing. We still live with many of them, don't we?
  • Defend ... Unusual... 2012/06/22 11:32:30
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    obama is a TRAITOR who hates America/Israel and Western Civilization
    Obama wants to turn America into a hellhole like mexico and iran
    both obama and holder are gun grabbing nuts who back muslim terrorist
  • Unusual... Defend ... 2012/06/22 11:51:58
    UnusualSuspect
    +1
    yeah, yeah, yeah...
  • Defend ... Unusual... 2012/06/22 14:40:00
    Defend Western Civlization
    i see you hate the truth
  • Unusual... Defend ... 2012/06/22 14:55:47
    UnusualSuspect
    +1
    yeah, yeah, yeah...
  • Yo'Adrienne..AFCL 2012/06/21 18:39:53
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Yo'Adrienne..AFCL
    +3
    We are witnessing the beginning of the End Jes........The two of them are TOAST!
  • Scalded... Yo'Adri... 2012/06/21 20:14:14
    Scalded Eagle
    +2
    Go Issa.
  • joseph ... Yo'Adri... 2012/06/22 22:20:45
    joseph digristina
    ......just a tad.........PARANOIAC???????????
  • JoeM 2012/06/21 18:22:06
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    JoeM
    +4
    The "yes" answer is accurate to my reading of the situation, but falls well short of "treason".
  • aherbert 2012/06/21 18:05:26
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    aherbert
    +3
    obama hell naw

    The President did what he had to do to stop the ReTHUGlican smoke screen …. We have three bills that need to be passed in congress two … will generate jobs and one to lower the student loans …. But all the Repubs want to do is throw up bs smoke screen … and the sheep suck that up like it is their mantra…. pathetic.
  • dvd aherbert 2012/06/21 19:40:13
  • aherbert dvd 2012/06/21 19:46:07
  • dvd aherbert 2012/06/21 19:49:07

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