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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • mightymouse49 2012/06/21 20:36:27
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    mightymouse49
    +2
    Yes he did.
  • fudge35 2012/06/21 20:23:55
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    fudge35
    Well almost all presidents have used executive privilege, including George Washington. The hero of the right wing, W used it 6 times, once to protect Rove from criminal charges. But all Americans know that what the right wing does, doesn't apply to the rest of America!!

    Issa's investigation is a SHAM!! It's not a real investigation, because he hasn't subpoena everybody that has been involved in this, including the Bush A.G., and others in his administration, when this Fast and Furious program started under a different name!! So why is this investigation a sham, could it be because it's an election year???? This so called investigation will bite the Republican in the ass, just like their sham of an impeachment against Clinton did!!!!!
  • Defend ... fudge35 2012/06/22 01:38:07
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    this is a Entirely different program then was run under GW Bush
    why is Comrade Holder and Obama scared of releasing the documents
    Rove did not have the same position as Holder so stop with trying the Nazi Peloxi Ignorance
    Americans will find out about what obama and holder have been up to in the end weather you a hardcore liberal progressive Anti Semite Democrat leader like it or not
  • fudge35 Defend ... 2012/06/22 23:15:17
    fudge35
    Wow do you know how to read????? I never said that Rove had the same position as Holder. My God man go back to elementary school, and learn reading comprehension. I said your hero was trying to save Roves fat ass by invoking Executive privilege. Like I said this political tom foolery that your fascist right wingers are trying, is going to bite them right on their fascist asses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Defend ... fudge35 2012/06/23 01:50:56
    Defend Western Civlization
    Its liberal progressives who back Gun Registration/Allowing Illegals to Rape Americans/gun bans/soda bans/smoking/eating bans
  • fudge35 Defend ... 2012/06/23 21:49:28
    fudge35
    It sounds like you are going into crazy land again!!!! Stick with executive orders, your wrong about it, but at least you sound sane when you bring that up!!!!
  • Defend ... fudge35 2012/06/24 16:52:12
    Defend Western Civlization
    I will say what i want if you do not like it then too bad Big Time Liberal Progressive Democrat Voter
  • fudge35 Defend ... 2012/06/26 19:00:48
    fudge35
    Yeah you can say anything you want, even if it sounds crazy. I also can say anything I want. I know you right wingers hate anyone that disagrees with you!!!!
  • Biki 2012/06/21 20:16:19
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Biki
    +5
    Not sure this falls under Treason, but it is enough that he should do the right thing and resign from office, effective immediately.
  • Scalded... Biki 2012/06/21 20:53:42
    Scalded Eagle
    +3
    Both of them.
  • fudge35 Biki 2012/06/23 21:56:56
    fudge35
    No it doesn't fall under treason, the right wingers only bring that up because they don't know anything else about executive orders!! Have you heard any of them calling W treasonous when he gave any of his 6 executive orders??? No not a peep out of the hypocrites. In fact I don't remember the corporate media saying much about the 6 E.O., but they sure are making a big deal about the one that Obama gave.
  • Biki fudge35 2012/06/24 05:04:08
    Biki
    uummmm, that's why I said what I said......
  • krayzrick 2012/06/21 20:10:19
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    krayzrick
  • Daniel krayzrick 2012/06/22 06:10:52
    Daniel
    +1
    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • angelbaby 2012/06/21 20:08:32
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    angelbaby
    +5
    I smell several rats!
  • Josh Ro... angelbaby 2012/06/21 20:13:42
  • angelbaby Josh Ro... 2012/06/21 20:19:22
    angelbaby
    +4
    Look what I found! Lol
    lol
  • Josh Ro... angelbaby 2012/06/21 20:27:20
    Josh Robinson
    +2
    It would be cool if there were dress shoes and Mercedes keys hanging in the tree in the background...
  • Daniel Josh Ro... 2012/06/22 06:11:04
    Daniel
    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Scalded... angelbaby 2012/06/21 21:02:06
    Scalded Eagle
    +4
    Issa set this rat trap two years ago and is finally starting to yeild some big rats. Erik Holder Rat Obama fast and furious
  • angelbaby Scalded... 2012/06/21 21:17:08
    angelbaby
    +3
    I want justice for Brian Terry!!
  • joseph ... angelbaby 2012/06/22 22:07:29
  • joseph ... Scalded... 2012/06/23 03:41:51
  • joseph ... angelbaby 2012/06/22 21:51:50 (edited)
  • angelbaby joseph ... 2012/06/22 22:02:32
    angelbaby
    +1
    STOP stalking me!! Do I make myself clear?
  • joseph ... angelbaby 2012/06/22 23:46:47
  • Defend ... angelbaby 2012/06/23 01:52:02
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    Its a Anti Semite who hates anybody who does not worship obama as a God
    its calls Anybody who speaks the truth about obama racist
  • angelbaby Defend ... 2012/06/23 01:53:20
    angelbaby
    +1
    I can see that! Lol
  • Roger47 2012/06/21 20:04:41
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    Roger47
    +1
    Issa already has been provided every document from Fast and Furious up to the time of the Brian Terry's death. He has what he needs.
  • angelbaby Roger47 2012/06/21 21:18:29 (edited)
    angelbaby
    +2
    You have got to be kidding .. The documents were hand picked and scrubbed by someone trying to hide something ..
  • Roger47 angelbaby 2012/06/22 05:36:30
    Roger47
    +1
    Got a link? You must have gotten that from somewhere, unless you work for Holder.
  • angelbaby Roger47 2012/06/22 07:00:47 (edited)
    angelbaby
    +1
    They ARE NOT handing over all the documents ..
    Over 80 thousand and they've given approx 8 thousand with some of those being duplicate copies ..
    And some blank pages due to censorship. The BBC did a great piece on it!! Check it out ..
  • angelbaby angelbaby 2012/06/22 07:03:26
    angelbaby
    +1
    Why would Obama pull Exec Priv if all the documents were released? There would be no need for him to do that..
  • angelbaby joseph ... 2012/06/22 22:09:48
    angelbaby
    +1
    Not at all .. But, I do know when I've encountered a nut case such as you!! Take you're big ass Michelle and you're smart ass mouth~merge the two and stfu!!

    I don't put up with bullies and if you continue I'll turn you over as such! Last request
  • joseph ... angelbaby 2012/06/22 22:04:23
  • joseph ... angelbaby 2012/06/22 21:57:01
  • Defend ... Roger47 2012/06/22 01:40:05
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    Americans will deiced what Issa Needs
    Brian Terry's family will have justice in the in the end and the GUN GRABBING muslim terrorist loving Nazis holder and obama will find out the Price of TREASON
  • Roger47 Defend ... 2012/06/22 05:37:21
    Roger47
    +1
    Do you believe what you put in your posts? Where do you get it from?
  • Defend ... Roger47 2012/06/22 11:26:04
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    i see the truth hurts
    you worship obama the same way as hitler was worshiped as a GOD
    the bottom line is that obama and holder will be put in their PLACE
    We Americans will not bow to your Anti Semite God obama and if you do not like that then to bad
  • Roger47 Defend ... 2012/06/22 14:43:29
    Roger47
    +1
    You see everything in Hitler/Jews terms, don't you?

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