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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • Brat 2012/06/21 21:47:56
    Undecided
    Brat
    +2
    Obama thinks he can do whatever he wants. He thinks he is a Messiah and no one will question his motives or actions. Well surprise, November isn't very far away.
  • evangel... Brat 2012/06/22 00:33:23 (edited)
    evangelism_vision
    +4
    barrack


    ************************* K-BOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************
  • joseph ... Brat 2012/06/22 23:40:59 (edited)
    joseph digristina
    Yes, second term comin' right up. Obama 2012. Obama 2012. Obama 2012. Obama 2012.
  • Tombo 2012/06/21 21:42:05
    Undecided
    Tombo
    +2
    I can't say just yet but Obama looks very, very bad. He doesn't practice his preach!

  • Tuna 2012/06/21 21:32:20
    Undecided
    Tuna
    +2
    Fast and Furious was devised by the progressive establishment, especially Hillary/Bill to further gun control. They wanted US firearms to be the vessel. Whenever citizens are allowed to arm themselves, it weakens the governmental grip on people; also PROVEN that crime goes DOWN.
    billary
  • lee 2012/06/21 21:09:23
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    lee
    +1
    holy cow ppl... get a life.

    this is white water all over again.

    don't you ever LEARN?

    WE HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Lady Wh... lee 2012/06/21 22:17:09
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Can't disagree there....
  • Temlako... lee 2012/06/21 22:30:55
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    No, we have not. This is the biggest problem of all: whether we still have a republic, or now have a dictatorship.
  • lee Temlako... 2012/06/21 22:44:33
    lee
    +1
    when you are an agent in AZ and you receive orders from DC... that's not a dictatorship....

    thats called a chain of command.

    if the agnents in AZ had done their jobs instead of persuing their GWB era agenda (against driect orders to stop), we would not be having this conversation.
  • Temlako... lee 2012/06/21 22:55:18
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +2
    Throw them under the bus, would you? You learn fast, I see.
  • lee Temlako... 2012/06/21 23:00:39
    lee
    +1
    hold them accountable for thier actions, but privately

    which is what Holder is TRYING to do... no thanks to Issa and his henchmen.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/22 01:36:02
    Defend Western Civlization
    +2
    Americans have Right to know about this and we will find out one way or the other weather you hard core socialist Anti Semite liberal progressives like it or not
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/22 16:22:37
    lee
    +1
    and in spite of your desire to "know", you remain in denial about the origins of this sting operations and you remain ignorant about the details of how it was since jan '09....

    but that's ok... you are correct, it will all come out eventually.


    the question is will you "believe" the story when it comes out or will you cling to your conspiracy because it suits you?
  • joseph ... lee 2012/06/22 21:42:07 (edited)
    joseph digristina
    That one is a conspiracy nut. He calls me and every liberal on the site a Jew hater based on no such statements by myself or any other liberal. He is as close to committable as one can get.
  • lee joseph ... 2012/06/22 22:03:14
    lee
    i know, i think he likes the attention.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 01:47:31
    Defend Western Civlization
    I see you have no truth
    it will be funny as heck when Israel Smashes obamas muslim terrorist allies starting with the RAPIST Jew Killing muslim brotherhood
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 15:59:38
    lee
    too bad you can see yourself in a mirror.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 01:46:35
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    the Operation which happened under GW is not the same as the one which ISSA is Investigating
    No Border guards died while GW was in office
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 16:03:06
    lee
    no it wasn't... it was a rouge splinter operation by guys in AZ going against direction from DC to terminate the GWB operation.

    so they took it to a whole new level and got one of our guys killed.

    yeah, you're right it wasn't the same operation as under GWB... DC ordered to be stopped....

    so what small bit of truth will you cling to next in order to sustain your illusionary view of reality?
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/22 01:35:05
    Defend Western Civlization
    this is a Entirely different program then was run under GW Bush
    why is Comrade Holder and Obama scared of releasing the documents
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/22 16:23:52
    lee
    +1
    yeah, it was run rouge by the local yocals in AZ instead fo being run out of the fed office....

    but don't let the facts stop you from foaming at the mouth.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 01:48:36
    Defend Western Civlization
    Wrong I believe the People who were involved instead of you a Liberal Progressive Obama Worshiper
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 16:07:50
    lee
    i know whenever you resort to one of your canned lines about libereals, progressives, or obama that you have LOST the argument on the FACTS and are throwing the metiphorical gun at me.

    its your "tell"
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 18:51:10
    Defend Western Civlization
    you are the one who lost
    obama and liberal progressives are TRAITORS and Muslim terrorist lovers
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 19:38:41
    lee
    bla bla bla

    LOSER!
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 21:46:00
    Defend Western Civlization
    you keep saying that Americans know obama and holder are Liars and Traitors
    the Union Rapist and obama was slapped down by the voters of Wisconsin
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 21:50:02
    lee
    obama was running for election in WI?

    when was that?

    oh, right.. he wasn't
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/24 16:50:54
    Defend Western Civlization
    Obama was pulling for the democrats to Win the Recall election and he is the Leader of All Liberal Progressive Democrats
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/25 16:13:30
    lee
    what objective proof do you have of that statement...

    ppl in WI were UPSET that obama didn't say enough about what was going on there....

    you have nothing, as usual.

    btw, did you notice (or ignore) that Issa admitted on Sun that he he has NO EVIDENCE that the whitehouse was involved in any cover up?

    ...


    crickets?
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/26 00:34:08
    Defend Western Civlization
    Issa Is a great Man who is against going against 2 Muslim terrorist lovers and Fascist gun grabbers

    Americans Cheer when the USSC slapped obama and holder down today by ruling in Favor of Arizona

    Illegal 'Immigrant' Admits Plot to Bomb US Capitol...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Hatred of Israel Brings the KKK and Democrats Back Together



    http://frontpagemag.com
    Posted By Arnold Ahlert
    On June 22, 2012



    Article:


    A primary contest taking place in New York next Tuesday portends yet another embarrassment for the Democrat Party. In the newly re-drawn 8th Congressional District, City Councilman Charles Barron is running against state Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries for the Democratic nomination to succeed retiring Rep. Ed Towns. Yesterday, the African-American Barron picked up an endorsement from former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke. How is this possible? As Duke explained, “The possible election of a dedicated anti-Zionist to the U.S. Congress, has thrown the Zionist-influenced media and the Zio-political establishment in a tizzy,” he said in a web video.

    Duke, a self-described “white nationalist,” clarified his reasoning for backing one black American against another black American in a race far away from his home state of Louisiana. “In a race for Congress between an anti-Zionist bl...


    Issa Is a great Man who is against going against 2 Muslim terrorist lovers and Fascist gun grabbers

    Americans Cheer when the USSC slapped obama and holder down today by ruling in Favor of Arizona

    Illegal 'Immigrant' Admits Plot to Bomb US Capitol...
    http://www.washingtonpost.com...

    Hatred of Israel Brings the KKK and Democrats Back Together



    http://frontpagemag.com
    Posted By Arnold Ahlert
    On June 22, 2012



    Article:


    A primary contest taking place in New York next Tuesday portends yet another embarrassment for the Democrat Party. In the newly re-drawn 8th Congressional District, City Councilman Charles Barron is running against state Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries for the Democratic nomination to succeed retiring Rep. Ed Towns. Yesterday, the African-American Barron picked up an endorsement from former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke. How is this possible? As Duke explained, “The possible election of a dedicated anti-Zionist to the U.S. Congress, has thrown the Zionist-influenced media and the Zio-political establishment in a tizzy,” he said in a web video.

    Duke, a self-described “white nationalist,” clarified his reasoning for backing one black American against another black American in a race far away from his home state of Louisiana. “In a race for Congress between an anti-Zionist black activist and a black activist who is a bought and paid for Zionist Uncle Tom, I’ll take the anti-Zionist any day,” Mr. Duke continues in the video. “In this election of limited choices, I believe that Charles Barron is the best choice. Why? Because I think there’s no greater danger facing the United States of America and facing the world than the unbridled power of Zionist globalism.”

    The reason for Duke’s support is obvious: Since Barron’s election to City Council in 2001, he has associated himself with anti-Israel groups and regularly demonized the State of Israel. In a 2009 interview with the Amsterdam News, he referred to the Gaza Strip as “a virtual death camp, the same kind of conditions the Nazis imposed on the Jews,” further claiming the Jews “massacre the Palestinian people, bomb their homes, churches and schools, and then block anybody trying to deliver aid to them. What this amounts to is genocide.”
    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/...
    (more)
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/26 01:39:42 (edited)
    lee
    so if he can "get'em" it would be a twofer!

    wouldn't that be somthin.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/26 11:44:58
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    obama and david duke are the same both hate Jews
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/26 18:28:31
    lee
    do you hate jews... ? you seem to be obsessed over it.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/27 01:08:02
    Defend Western Civlization
    i see you still have no clue DAVID DUKE is backing a Liberal Progressive Democrat and Obama lover

    Americans are laughing at the fact the DNC convention is getting cut short by a day and will not be where they originally planned to have it
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/27 16:17:47
    lee
    keep laughing... we will put that money to better use than pageants and parades.
  • joseph ... Temlako... 2012/06/22 02:55:50
    joseph digristina
    Fast and Furious? More like you Cons are Slow and Stupid.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/22 01:33:03
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    We have problems cause the Liberal Progressive Elite aiding the killing of a American Border guard who has a agenda of Destroying the Constitution
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/22 16:24:25
    lee
    +1
    your vision has not improved.
  • Defend ... lee 2012/06/23 01:49:25
    Defend Western Civlization
    +1
    I see just fine and So does the Family of Brian Terry and the people who live along the border
  • lee Defend ... 2012/06/23 16:08:57
    lee
    really?

    so how come they can't see the AZ agents that WORK there?

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