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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • Mateo 2012/06/22 03:03:29
    Undecided
    Mateo
    +3
    This doesn't meet the threshold of treason at all- this is just typical, petty presidential posturing that comes from both sides of the aisle.

    That being said, I do wholeheartedly think he violated his oath of office last week when he unilaterally changed immigration law by refusing to uphold duly constituted law of the United States, and that may in fact be an actual impeachable offense.
  • joseph ... Mateo 2012/06/22 04:03:09
  • Skeptikat Mateo 2012/06/22 22:33:20
  • joseph ... Skeptikat 2012/06/22 23:37:18
  • Mateo Skeptikat 2012/06/23 19:57:07
    Mateo
    I decidedly did NOT ignore the failings of Bush II and was an outspoken opponent of the majority of his policies- policies which oddly have garnered great DFL support since our current president decided to keep and sometimes expand on them. How is Guantanamo doing these days? How about foreign military adventures? The only thing the current officeholder did on Iraq was follow the timeline of withdrawal that was in place before his gaining the office- good on him. Other than that he has expanded every conflict we have and gotten involved in a few new ones. Where is the protest? The marches we saw when the Patriot Act was renewed under Bush II were legitemate; the fact that we saw none when the same happened under Obama shows the callow and partisan nature of the original protester's "resolve".
  • cddjmikey 2012/06/22 02:57:05
    Undecided
    cddjmikey
    +2
    What he did is disgusting but I am not sure if it reaches the treason threshold. Now the leaks on the other hand CLEARLY do !!
  • joseph digristina 2012/06/22 01:08:22
  • Mateo joseph ... 2012/06/22 03:04:35
    Mateo
    +2
    Partisan hack? Pots and kettles, sir- I have viewed your other responses.
  • joseph ... Mateo 2012/06/22 03:27:56
  • JulianD... joseph ... 2012/06/22 03:08:27
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  • joseph ... JulianD... 2012/06/22 04:04:45
  • Mateo joseph ... 2012/06/22 03:09:01
    Mateo
    Partisan hack? Pots and kettles, sir- I have viewed your profile.
    To whit:
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    No. But they're sure funny.
    Opinion: I wonder if Jesus actually listens or just walks on water,

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  • joseph ... Mateo 2012/06/22 04:01:01
  • Skeptikat Mateo 2012/06/22 22:50:21
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/06/22 16:49:37
    PrettieReptar
    +2
    He was accused not convicted.

    Besides--and more importantly, it isn't just Issa pursuing this. He'd have no case to begin with if the whistle blowers hadn't come forward not to mention several other people (congress people, and governors) who have demanded Holder's ouster.
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/06/22 18:02:20
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/06/24 12:24:40
    PrettieReptar
    Misdemeanor yes, felony no.

    I really don't care about the political aspect of this case. I would just like to see justice done for the family of slain border agent Brian Terry and the 300 other families that lost a son or daughter in the process. No one (including those in government) should be above telling the truth or the law.

    If one of your family members were a victim in this case, would you still defend Holder or Obama?
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/06/24 17:25:17
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/06/26 12:42:43
    PrettieReptar
    +1
    No one is jumping to conclusions--there's evidence. The weapons found at the scene where Agent Terry was killed were found to be part of ATF Operation Fast and Furious.

    I'm sorry for your loss. However, your situation is not the same as this one. It sounds like your brother's death was an accident. The same cannot be said in this case.
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/06/27 01:55:48
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/06/27 12:18:24
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/06/28 03:14:20
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/06/28 13:38:25 (edited)
    PrettieReptar
    Sure thing. Here is the link for the original video directly from C-Span. (I tried to upload the video directly but had problems).

    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/pr...
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/06/29 00:08:47
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/07/02 16:36:19
    PrettieReptar
    +1
    That he was aware of the gunrunning program--not just aware but IN CHARGE. He cannot feign ignorance and neither can you.

    Obviously partisan politics is more important to you than the truth.
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/07/02 17:02:28
  • Prettie... joseph ... 2012/07/02 17:16:05
    PrettieReptar
    +1
    I've provided proof.

    And I don't appreciate the label--even more so when its not true.

    Grow up.
  • joseph ... Prettie... 2012/07/02 17:56:45
  • srini 2012/06/22 00:34:04
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    srini
    +5
    You expected otherwise of Bill Ayers' protege?
  • meboy 2012/06/21 23:53:41
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    meboy
    +3
    They do as they want. You try this and you'll spend 20 years on the other side of iron bars or die from an accident or something.
  • uguess meboy 2012/06/22 12:13:10
    uguess
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • joseph ... uguess 2012/06/22 23:38:52
  • Loree 2012/06/21 23:46:42
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Loree
    +3
    Now that the House has found him in contempt and documents are being leaked from the Justice department, Holder is recanting like crazy. Unless they dethrone him and throw his sorry butt in jail for perjury... like a judge would do to you and me if we had lied as much as he has... the contempt vote mans less than nothing.
  • RogerRover 2012/06/21 23:39:31
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    RogerRover
    +2
    Caught in their stinky little scheme to ban guns, OB can't throw Holder under the bus for two reasons. A. The bus is now completely high centered.(almost like a turtle on it's back) B. Holder would sing like a bird. (Oh, what to do?....what to do?)
  • evangelism_vision 2012/06/21 23:03:11
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    evangelism_vision
    +3
    MICKEY MOUSING AROUND

    IMMIGRATION TAKES THE FOCUS OFF THE ECONOMY

    IMMIGRATION TAKES THE FOCUS OFF HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT

    IMMIGRATION REMINDS US THAT THOUSANDS OF " ILLEGAL TERRORIST" ARE HERE. AND THEY ALL VOTE DEMOCRAT

    Let's not forget about:
    Failed housing,
    Loss of AAA Credit Rating

    Obama Cold blooded Murder of Hundreds of Americans and Mexicans from approved Gun Sales to the Drug Cartel

    Attempts to to kill Religious Rights for Catholics, Christians, and Jews by Obama while opening allowing Muslims to pray in Schools while Catholics and Christians are denied these rights.

    FAST AND FURIOUS WAS ALSO APPROVED GUN SALES TO A FOREIGN MILITARY WHICH IS PROVIDING COMFORT AND SUPPORT TO OTHER COUNTRIES WE CALL THIS TREASON
  • uguess evangel... 2012/06/22 12:13:25
    uguess
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Cold Warrior 2012/06/21 22:36:08
  • uguess Cold Wa... 2012/06/22 06:10:08
    uguess
    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • ScottyG - Faqueue 2012/06/21 22:27:43
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    ScottyG - Faqueue
    +2
    I hope they both fry!
  • evangel... ScottyG... 2012/06/21 23:04:23
    evangelism_vision
    +2
    LIGHT THE TIRES AND KICK THE FIRES

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