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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • joseph ... Daniel 2012/06/22 23:34:23
    joseph digristina
    +2
    Nut job!
  • Skeptikat joseph ... 2012/06/23 05:43:00
  • joseph ... Skeptikat 2012/06/23 07:59:43
    joseph digristina
    +1
    I think that's his mother and his sister and his cousin.
  • Skeptikat gvc 2012/06/22 21:56:59
  • gvc Skeptikat 2012/06/22 22:18:16
    gvc
    Excuse me? You honestly think Obama didn't know about Fast and Furious?

    You must be delusional.
  • Skeptikat gvc 2012/06/22 22:46:57
  • gvc Skeptikat 2012/06/22 22:58:04
    gvc
    It's criminal to lie to Congress and for the President to claim he knew NOTHING about Fast and Furious.
    And he ultimately will pay for his arrogance.
  • Heisenberg 2012/06/22 08:05:40
    No. Issa had no right to any of the documents he demanded. Holder did nothing...
    Heisenberg
    +5
    It's not considered treason by Obama if the program was implemented by Bush. It's nothing more than a witch hunt during Election year because they don't have the goods on Obama.
  • gvc Heisenberg 2012/06/22 11:02:22
    gvc
    +3
    Fast and furious was NOT implemented by Bush.
  • joseph ... Heisenberg 2012/06/22 18:19:01
    joseph digristina
    +4
    Exactly...more insane and inane non sense from the crazy Cons. They are becoming more irrational by the minute. I disliked Bush and everything he stood for , but I was not obsessed to the point of insanity by him the way these nut jobs are.
  • joseph ... joseph ... 2012/06/22 18:20:28 (edited)
    joseph digristina
    +4
    And thank for reminding people that this was implemented by Bush regardless of what the deranged GVC has to say below. I't's been confirmed that it indeed was.
  • Heisenberg joseph ... 2012/06/22 18:25:22
    Heisenberg
    +2
    You and I share the same sentiment. You should see the last two questions I posted on my profile which nobody else has yet answered.
  • joseph ... Heisenberg 2012/06/22 21:32:55
    joseph digristina
    +2
    Please don't think I'm stupid but I couldn't find the questions you are referring to. Any hints? Also ,I wasn't aware you could post that much information . You have some fascinating heros and admirations., and eclectic taste. Nice to see a well rounded person here instead of delusional Neanderthals.
  • Heisenberg joseph ... 2012/06/22 21:41:42
    Heisenberg
    +1
    Go to where it says "Asked" and you'll see the questions. They're asking the respondents to rave them.
  • exhon2009 2012/06/22 05:23:39
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    exhon2009
    +4
    It's dated but it fits:
    To the tune It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas. Inspiration from and apologies to Tom Lehrer:

    Barack’s beginning to look a lot like Nixon
    Everything he does;
    Just look at the Fox news crew kicked off the WH pool
    Leaving Hannity, Bill and Glenn aglow.
    Barack’s beginning to look a lot like Nixon
    Czars by the score
    But the scariest sight to be is the Acorn Rep you’ll see
    On your own front door.


    A pair of sweet heart deals and nobody squeals
    Is the wish of Barney and Chris.
    Reporters that don’t talk but will quote you a lot
    Is the hope of Anita and Cass,
    And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for elections to start again.
    Barack’s beginning to look a lot like Nixon
    Everything he does;
    There’re lobbyists on the WH clan in spite of the POTUS ban
    The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the bull.
    Barack’s beginning to look a lot like Nixon;
    Soon the bills will start
    And the thing that makes them stink is as fast as you can blink
    They’re passed after dark.
  • ComeOnNow 2012/06/22 04:32:37
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    ComeOnNow
    +5
    If congress went after Roger Clemmens for lying anouilh steroids, which had little to no affect on anyone, holder should go to jail for this.
  • joseph ... ComeOnNow 2012/06/22 19:33:40 (edited)
    joseph digristina
    +1
    Holder's not going anywhere. Funny, Obama could have put Bush and Cheney away for war crimes, but told Pelosi to let it ride ,and you Cons are on a witch hunt over nothing. What a bunch of deluded morons.
  • ManBearPig joseph ... 2012/06/22 19:43:19
    ManBearPig
    there's more than just F&F to throw Holder into other cases and possible lawsuits
  • joseph ... ManBearPig 2012/06/22 21:36:46
    joseph digristina
    +1
    Isn't going to happen, unknot your panties. After President Obama is re-elected, and he will be, Holder will simply resign. End of story. And if you think anyone but Cons ,who already hate Obama's guts, care anything at all about this issue I suggest you try some other sites where no one is even discussing it to regain some perspective.
  • ComeOnNow joseph ... 2012/07/01 18:03:28
    ComeOnNow
    +1
    Funny, you seem to be defending Holder for clear contempt and having nothing but partisan politics to try to justify it.
  • joseph ... ComeOnNow 2012/07/01 19:14:48
    joseph digristina
    Why don't you try an OBJECTIVE source: the right leaning Fortune Magazine and the article written by the eminently respected journalist Katherine Eban?
    The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal
    June 27, 2012: 5:00 AM ET



    A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

    By Katherine Eban
    http://features.blogs.fortune...
    Funny, the hyper partisanship seems to be coming from your side --not mine.
  • gvc ComeOnNow 2012/06/24 01:16:35
    gvc
    Obama should join him!
  • Ken 2012/06/22 03:30:01
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Ken
    +4
    Definitely
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/22 19:34:12
    joseph digristina
    +1
    Definitley a witch hunt.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/23 03:23:12 (edited)
    Ken
    +1
    Is that what you called Watergate? Being this was 10 times worse than Watergate, Americans and Mexicans died because of this operation.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/23 03:34:11
    joseph digristina
    You're hysterical, calm down, Tell it to somone who cares. How many people did Bush kill unecessarily? Were you screamng then? Of course not.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/23 03:45:09
    Ken
    Who did Bush kill illegally? Fast and Furious killed people due to illegal Government activity.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/23 05:05:59
    joseph digristina
    Oh, nobody. Just over 4,000 American soldiers and about 600,000 Iraqis. That's all. No big deal, Not to mention of course the 32,000 vets with no arms or legs and the almost a million wounded Iraqis so he could avenge his daddy and no other earthy reason. He's war criminal and he and Cheney should have been tried and hung.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/23 14:48:05
    Ken
    A ten year war with only four thousand deaths, many unrelated to the war. Compare that to the general population, it won't be much different, 120,000 military personnel, thousands of more support staff and only 400 deaths per year. Besides, the war was legal with support from Congress, bipartisan support.

    Your war criminal comments would also mean that Obama and Biden would be tried and hung for the same. Especially for the drone asassinations.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/23 19:09:17
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/23 19:17:52
    Ken
    Hundreds of thousands? Why do you liberals have to lie so much? I have only one son who is my boy and GWB is not him. If they didn't start anything, what do you call Libya, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, etc.? But that's OK, because Obama is black (mixed race) and a Socialist Democrat.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/23 19:25:24
    joseph digristina
    Minimize it if you will, According to The Opinion Research business poll the number of deaths was reported at 1,033,000. I was being generous to your murderous friend W by calling it at 600,000. Cons. you can't even be nice to them when you try without them turning on you and spitting in your face like the snakes they are.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/23 19:34:27
    Ken
    Obama was responsible for nearly four years and many of those deaths (if accurate) should be accounted to him, but the count is far from accurate.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/24 01:46:19
    joseph digristina
    Bull.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/24 01:57:39
    Ken
    Bull to you, yet true.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/24 02:01:46
    joseph digristina
    Bull and lies.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/24 02:36:00
    Ken
    If you're refering to the liberals, I agree.
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/24 03:59:32
    joseph digristina
    I don't believe you're capable of remembering from one moment to the next what you believe.
  • Ken joseph ... 2012/06/24 15:11:15
    Ken
    Desperate, are you?
  • joseph ... Ken 2012/06/24 17:20:52

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