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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • Carol texasred 2012/07/06 18:51:39
    Carol
    Yes, you never really want to discuss issues, just insult other people that do. Have a lack luster day.
  • texasred Carol 2012/07/06 19:10:31
    texasred
    Sweetie, I tried to discuss issues with you and you refused to accept facts presented. Why should I continue to waste time on someone who is so blinded by left wing ideology that they will ignore facts?

    And if you'll be honest, which is probably asking way too much of you, you'll see that you started with the insults... not me.

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...

    Actually, I hope you have a great day. Maybe it will help open your eyes and make you more susceptible to the facts.
  • Carol texasred 2012/07/06 22:29:59
    Carol
    Posting pictures is discussing issues? Really?
  • texasred Carol 2012/07/06 23:20:49
    texasred
    Are you really that dense or do you just pretend to be? Go back and look at the entire thread. I provided you a lot of information during our discussion. It got to the point where you were so predictable with your liberal ideology that it got boring. Just like this is. I'm more than willing to help those that are ignorant. But it's very difficult to suffer fools.
  • CODE 11 Carol 2012/07/07 17:47:22
    CODE 11
    Carol dear..this report has already been discredited.....The Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer admitted in sworn testimony he knew gunwalking was happening as far back as 2010. He just forgot to tell Eric Holder about it. He retraced a letter to Congress in 2011, because it was full of lies !
  • CODE 11 Carol 2012/06/27 23:13:44
  • Carol CODE 11 2012/06/29 03:09:20
    Carol
    +1
    Yours?
  • Daniel texasred 2012/06/22 06:24:36
    Daniel
    +1
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Deep007 2012/06/20 23:55:14
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Deep007
    +7
    jEEZ...
    WHEN WILL THIS GUY JUST GO AWAY
  • texasred Deep007 2012/06/21 00:01:57
    texasred
    +6
    Whenever it is, it won't be soon enough!
  • SharonJohnson 2012/06/20 23:54:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    SharonJohnson
  • Daniel SharonJ... 2012/06/22 06:25:01
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • GUAPO~LMAO!~ 2012/06/20 23:53:52 (edited)
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    GUAPO~LMAO!~
    +11
    What happened to his "Transparent administration" that he promised??

    I am tired of this traitor, lying, cheating, blood sucking weasel, no chit for brains a -hole!!

    Gotta get rid of this poor excuse for a human being without principles and stature.



    chit brains -hole gotta rid poor excuse human principles stature
  • Chi~Cat GUAPO~L... 2012/06/21 00:21:32
    Chi~Cat
    +4
    Where the hell do you come with the truth of this funny chit?

    Oh, LSM? LOL! Nice, Guapo!
  • GUAPO~L... Chi~Cat 2012/06/21 01:05:46
    GUAPO~LMAO!~
    +2
    Thanks sister. Sometimes anger makes me do this.. lols
  • Chi~Cat GUAPO~L... 2012/06/21 01:33:32
    Chi~Cat
    +3
    Totally understand, my friend. Hey, wha???????? the heck?

    liberal bingo
  • GUAPO~L... Chi~Cat 2012/06/21 13:35:32
  • damnyoumaggot 2012/06/20 23:31:58
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    damnyoumaggot
  • Chi~Cat damnyou... 2012/06/21 01:34:58
    Chi~Cat
    +3
    That last picture so p*sses me off.

    "I am the great O-Fraud YOU." "Shhhhhhhh, twinkle twinkle, little star."
  • Daniel damnyou... 2012/06/22 06:25:14
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • dubbie 2012/06/20 23:28:37
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    dubbie
    +7
    Stall ,take the contempt charge I`ll use exucitive privlage This will drag on till past the election This will be all they talk about in the media The economy wont be heard about or the illegals I,m handing out green cards to, To get them papers to vote democrat, Suckered once it was easy
  • Kiosk Kid 2012/06/20 23:24:38
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Kiosk Kid
    +7
    What is Obama and Holder hiding. Why don't they come clean?
  • Chi~Cat Kiosk Kid 2012/06/21 01:45:57
    Chi~Cat
    +3
    They are scared of:

    prison soap
  • templer003 2012/06/20 23:11:07
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    templer003
    +7
    Why wait till now to use it ?? What is it that they do not want anyone in congress to see and what was it that obama said back before the election about the use of executive orders ?? and the peoples right to know ??

    Each and every day the evidence is mounting so that even Stevie Wonder could see that something is corrupt here..
  • AL 2012/06/20 23:01:14
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    AL
    +7
    This even goes against our own National Security in fact!
  • Doc 2012/06/20 22:54:24
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Doc
    +8
    Doesn't look good for the White House.
  • Daniel Doc 2012/06/22 06:25:34
    Daniel
    +1
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • Doc Daniel 2012/06/26 00:51:27
  • TruBluTopaz 2012/06/20 22:43:14
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    TruBluTopaz
    +7
    Mark Levin, a former judge, weighs in....http://www.marklevinsho...
  • Daniel TruBluT... 2012/06/22 06:21:23
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • SickOfBigGov 2012/06/20 22:41:19
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    SickOfBigGov
    +10
    Holder and Bama are two peas in a pod. Obama is a traitor to this country. The Terry family deserve to know what happened but obviously Obama and Holder are only concerned about the 'rights' of illegals.
  • Daniel SickOfB... 2012/06/22 06:21:44
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • dominic garcia 2012/06/20 22:37:00
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    dominic garcia
    +9
    Obama planned it all, he always wants to pull all the triggers. Holder did not turn over the papers, because he has been protecting Obama, that is why Obama stepped in. It is all about the old cliche, "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours." Obama has broke all laws and yes he has been treasonous.
  • Gordon 2012/06/20 22:36:03
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Gordon
    +10
    Not to worry, Obama will simply make up more lies to dupe the stupid parts of our country.
  • dominic... Gordon 2012/06/20 22:42:11
    dominic garcia
    +8
    A lie to cover a lie, to cover another lie and on and on and people still love him? No wonder corruption is taking over America!
  • Striker Gordon 2012/06/21 02:16:47
    Striker
    +5
    Sure, he'll try, but too little too late.
  • Daniel Striker 2012/06/22 06:21:52
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • JulianD... Gordon 2012/06/21 16:39:11
    JulianDranitsaris
    *the south*
  • Daniel Gordon 2012/06/22 06:22:02
    Daniel
    pass the link around... please. we have to help these people....

    YOU HAVE GOT TO READ THIS !
    http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
  • miller51550 2012/06/20 22:34:04
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    miller51550
    +8
    At issue is that OBAMA, HOLDER and all they heads of the FBI, DEA, Homeland Security, CIA were aware and SUPPORTED Gun Runner. Obama DIRECTED them in what to do and accomplish. (Fast and Furious is the updated version)

    There was an Ice Agent and a BORDER PATROL AGENT KILLED with weapons authorized by Holder, Obama and others. MURDER SHOULD BE THE CHARGES.

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