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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • lcky9 2012/06/21 03:16:37
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    lcky9
    +4
    Seems the president hasn't fooled ANYONE and just showed his hand as a LIAR in chief.. I don't anyone who didn't know when HILARY first declared we were going to have to put tighter restrictions on guns when she appeared with the MEXICAN PRESIDENT and that was BEFORE fast and furious was uncovered..
  • zapped 2012/06/21 03:05:39
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    zapped
    +4
    seems with an exeuctive privledge involking here cries guilt ..on BOTH of them ....!

    I wonder how obama is gonna down play this one ....

    first exeuctive order stopping deportation proceedings ...now this ???
  • wtw 2012/06/21 02:52:07
    Undecided
    wtw
    +3
    In leaking secrets that is treason. In fast and furious he is just lawless and needs impeached!
  • Hamilton 2012/06/21 02:20:03
    Undecided
    Hamilton
    Criminal, absolutely yes. Treason? Not exactly.
  • zapped Hamilton 2012/06/21 03:17:12
    zapped
    +2
    treason ..is any part of the actions of holder & obama's involvement in there .. I think so .

    ·son [ trz'n ] 1.betrayal of country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy.
    2.treachery: betrayal or disloyalty
    3.act of betrayal: an act of betrayal or disloyalty
    Synonyms: sedition, treachery, disloyalty, subversion, betrayal, duplicity, high treason.


    another source .....

    In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more extreme acts against one's sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific ...


    3rd source ,,,
    noun 1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign. 2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state. 3 ...


    ones allegance & (oath of office ) ....both of them ....@!
  • Hamilton zapped 2012/06/23 02:00:43
    Hamilton
    I guess I am having trouble seeing how the criminality, felonious as it may be, actually becomes specifically treason as far as fast and furious goes.

    The Clinton's sale of rocket technology --- read MISSILE technology from Loral -- is treasonous, not merely criminal.
  • CODE 11 Hamilton 2012/06/23 16:04:38
    CODE 11
    +1
    Fast and furious had one purpose..to do away with the 2nd amendment.
  • Hamilton CODE 11 2012/06/24 01:26:49
    Hamilton
    +1
    Point taken.
  • Kat 2012/06/21 02:19:57
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Kat
    +6
    Obama and Holder both committed treason. If there's no crime, why the cover up?
  • JT For Political Reform 2012/06/21 02:18:41
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    JT For Political Reform
    +8
    Shows Obama is as guilty as his buddy Holder.
  • Beccy 2012/06/21 02:14:51
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Beccy
    +3
    Things have been let slide with our presidents for too long It started with the coup when Kennedy was killed. Nixon needed to be tried. Regan and bush sr needed to be tried for Iran Contra Clinton was not lilly white himself Little george and his uncle dickie needed to be tried for numberous things It is long past time that this behavior is stopped. People should have realized that they were electing part of the chicago thug machine
  • zapped Beccy 2012/06/21 03:22:04
    zapped
    +3
    all the above ....absolutely ....

    ammazing /ammusing ....and shows how corrupt this govt has become ...

    every one of them need to go .....and reelect a whole new bunch ....some that actually believing in the conservation of the const . and understand they work for the people ,,,,and answer to them as well ....
  • CODE 11 2012/06/21 02:13:58
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    CODE 11
    +4
    Flood Mexico with guns. The Mexican gangs start killing each other. The guns are traced back to the US. Obama starts demanding gun control in America. Couldn't be any simpler. Now he has to use Executive privillege so the people don't find out this was his plan all along.
  • Striker 2012/06/21 02:11:24
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Striker
    +6
    The only question remaining is when/if Congress will find the guts to DO something about this motley pair.
  • Chi~Cat Striker 2012/06/21 02:18:47
  • redhorse29 2012/06/21 02:02:52
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    redhorse29
    +2
    Not sure it is treason. But I am sure the Barry-boy is guilty as the attack dog Holder.
  • Chi~Cat redhorse29 2012/06/21 02:37:15
    Chi~Cat
    +3
    errrrrr....
    holder deer in headlights
  • cheshirewayne 2012/06/21 02:00:33
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    cheshirewayne
    +3
    And now they are trying to hide behind executive privilege, can you say, "Watergate?"
  • Azrael-In GOD we trust 2012/06/21 01:58:56
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Azrael-In GOD we trust
    +3
    I believe it very well could be. I do not think, however, that it just involves Holder.
    If he had nothing to hide, the documents would have been produced 8 months ago. I say arrest him.
  • jean 2012/06/21 01:40:47
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    jean
    +9
    The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Barack Hussein Obama
  • Cognito22 jean 2012/06/21 04:04:22
  • jean Cognito22 2012/06/21 04:05:42
    jean
    +2
    Yes Mr. Obama we agree - you are hiding the truth!
  • joe ramirez 2012/06/21 01:40:30
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    joe ramirez
    +4
    This president and holder and this whole administration needs to be investigated for all their corruption and sent to jail because they all think they are above the law.
  • voice_matters 2012/06/21 01:32:52
  • gocar 2012/06/21 01:31:01
    Undecided
    gocar
    +1
    I am not undecided and the answer is NO OF COURSE NOT. Don't be an idiot. High crimes is not exactly an ATF mishandled program. The program was already in place and these departments like the Justice, FBI, CIA, and ATF are run by people who make decisions and are in charge. Do you think the FBI runs everything by the President every time they have an sting operation. The President cannot micromanage everything in government. Yes, I think Darryl Issa is grand standing. These committees tend to give someone a place in the history book if they can play their card right. This wanting to control the house and then only using it to go after Democrats is why this bloody government does not work. What are we paying these people to do for us?
  • CODE 11 gocar 2012/06/21 02:21:19
    CODE 11
    +1
    We are paying them to run our goverment without lying, and corrupting the entire system. This was a program run with the full knowlege of the AG It was approved by Obama...flood Mexico with guns..trace them back to the US..Obama can then demand gun control !.
  • Rodney gocar 2012/06/21 05:21:59
    Rodney
    Project Gunwalker is the “whistleblower” and journalist’s name (coined by David Codrea) for the BATFE’s practice (“unofficial policy”) of deliberately allowing guns to illegally “walk” untracked across the border via known and suspected criminal straw buyers into Mexico and Honduras (among potentially many other Central American countries, as well as to drug cartel operatives within the US). This practice was first introduced to Project Gunrunner in early 2009, in the early months of the Obama administration.

    All those agencies are under the Department of Justice, Eric Holder's title is Attorney General of the Department of Justice. Barry may or may not have had prior information of the program, but little Eric most certainly should have as NO program is done without HIS authorization. That is how it works. The president by invoking Executive Privilege is basically saying that the documents the House has subpoenaed he is fully aware of, or he is just playing a game of stall until after the election. Either way, it doesn't look good at this time to be admitting he was aware of the program or that he is just playing politics. The 11th hour claim is also suspect.
  • Huntclan 2012/06/21 01:16:56
    Undecided
    Huntclan
    +3
    Whoa, I didn't see this coming. I fully expected Obie to pardon Holder, but to Double Down and throw his hat into the ring is tantamount to an "All or Nothing" gamble for his presidency.

    Obie is now saying that he DID have communication with the DOJ about Fast and Furious before February 4th, to which he has already stated for the record he had none.

    Obie is betting that his Congressional pals, the Main Stream Media and an apathetic public will subvert any efforts by Issa and the Subcommittee to bring Holder to justice.
  • johnnyg 2012/06/21 01:13:12
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    johnnyg
    +3
    Nothing to see here move along, move along.
    Obama and Holder will blame Bush.
  • CODE 11 johnnyg 2012/06/21 02:23:24
    CODE 11
    +2
    Bush had a gun selling program too. But Bush had the Mexican Fed Police waiting at the border to take the guns back, and arrest the criminals.
  • johnnyg CODE 11 2012/06/22 21:37:37
    johnnyg
    That doesn't mean Obama and Holder will not blame Bush.
  • CODE 11 johnnyg 2012/06/23 16:01:50
    CODE 11
    +1
    The criminals found gps in the guns..in Bushs plan ( wide reciever )..the plan was then stopped. 2007..all the guns were retreved.
  • johnnyg CODE 11 2012/06/27 15:06:49
    johnnyg
    I agree with you, and again I say Obama and Holder will STILL BLAME BUSH.
  • Aqua Surf 2012/06/21 01:07:22
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Aqua Surf
    +5
    The beginning of the end for this rotten, corrupt regime that has destroyed the land all American patriots love. I hope it sinks to the bottom of Hell.
  • Cal 2012/06/21 00:51:15
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Cal
    +6
    Just goes to show to that Fast and Furious is going all the way to the top. Executive Order is not a reasonable answer here, and wont fly before congress. Holder has about 100000% chance of being held in contempt. All this shows is Obama is starting to feel the heat - something good to know for the election. Not even the sheeple want to see Biden assume power when Obama is impeached.
  • ElChorizon© 2012/06/21 00:44:42
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    ElChorizon©
    +8
    It's all Bush's fault!
  • Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2012/06/21 00:19:49
    Undecided
    Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL
    +5
    somebody is not being honest and that is really clear
  • Chi~Cat 2012/06/21 00:19:26
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Chi~Cat
    +10
    Hey, hey, hey, GOOD BYE!
  • Icono1 2012/06/21 00:19:21
  • Kat Icono1 2012/06/21 02:22:18
    Kat
    +2
    Holder has the goods on Obama and threatened to take him down with him, more than likely.

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