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Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?

Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:40:10
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Contempt of Congress

Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.


No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…


The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.


So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.


Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”


The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.


Executive privilege
Eric Holder pours contempt on Congress on Operation Fast and Furious

Eric Holder, Attorney General. Photo: US Department of Justice


Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.


But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)


Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.


That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.


Fast and Furious background

Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.


In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.


(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)


Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.


Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.

But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.

What say you?

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  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/20 21:43:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +29
    Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"

    One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.

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  • zapped mach 2012/06/25 03:28:56 (edited)
    zapped
    +1
    talk about a dumbass ..you really have no ideas wht common sense is ...and cant be taught it either ..".just cant fix STUPID !@ "

    and wht is shorthand for what ....!

    what your not texting savy either ...?

    go big or go home ...you'd better just go home !
  • zapped Rodney 2012/06/23 02:33:23
    zapped
    +3
    it would appear that the person here has no logic nor common sense ...

    and is just a obamabot ,,,then therefore defends holder as well ...
  • Rodney zapped 2012/06/23 02:55:04
    Rodney
    +1
    Look above for the video I left mach.
  • zapped Rodney 2012/06/23 03:14:06
    zapped
    +1
    will do ...
  • Rodney zapped 2012/06/23 03:16:43
  • zapped mach 2012/06/23 02:31:39
    zapped
    +2
    obama has something to hide ...this is evident ( common sense tells the logically thinking person this !)

    then if even 1 of these documments shows obama knowing one shread of knowledge he's had ( perjury then ) and perjury + contempt ,,,which should only take a guilt either proven or by trial be grounds for termination ( impeachment ) or resignation ...which would be wise for holder to do now ...
  • mach zapped 2012/06/23 04:29:09
    mach
    I believe you underestimate Obama's political prowess. Good luck!
  • zapped mach 2012/06/23 05:08:32
    zapped
    +1
    obama has something to hide ...this is evident ( common sense tells the logically thinking person this !)

    then if even 1 of these documments shows obama knowing one shread of knowledge he's had ( perjury then ) and perjury + contempt ,,,which should only take a guilt either proven or by trial be grounds for termination ( impeachment ) or resignation ...which would be wise for holder to do now ...


    it's not over yet ,,,,,
  • mach zapped 2012/06/23 05:36:13
    mach
    At LAST!!.....you acknowledge what I've been saying all along. NO,... it's not over, so let it play out. Now that I know ya better, I'm going to feel bad when you get your nose rubbed in the mud.
  • zapped mach 2012/06/24 00:49:27 (edited)
    zapped
    +2
    REALITY CHECK ....HOLDER IS ALREADY BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF CONTEMPT ,,,,!

    now all that left is tying obama into it ,then well see who's nose is in the MUDD!!!
  • joseph ... Andrew 2012/06/23 04:06:21
    joseph digristina
    Was he perhaps committing infanticide while he was covering it up? LMAO.
    Crazy Cons will believe anything to take down the black Dem , won't you?
  • Andrew joseph ... 2012/06/26 07:39:15
    Andrew
    +1
    probably!
  • joseph ... Andrew 2012/06/26 08:01:18
  • Andrew joseph ... 2012/06/26 18:36:26
    Andrew
    +1
    Your imagined race war is pathetic!
  • joseph ... Andrew 2012/06/27 02:13:58
    joseph digristina
    Race war? You Cons have very overactive imaginations. But I shouldn't be surprised , you are particularly adept at twisting the truth into something other than what it is. i feel so sorry for limited, narrow minded, fearful people like yourself. Broaden your horizons, you're missing too much by living inside the confining square box out of which you cannot break. But you won't listen to me , you Cons never listen to anything but your own prejudices and religiously dictated principles because you're born with linear minds and nothing will ever change that.
  • Daniel mach 2012/06/21 09:41:31
    Daniel
    +2
    AND THE NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE OF A AMERICAN AGENT AND CITIZEN.

  • mach Daniel 2012/06/21 14:55:35
    mach
    +1
    Are you implying that the operation was prosecuted with the knowing "express" imminent result of American deaths? Terry's death was unfortunate, but it hasn't even been determined if the bullet(s) came from the gun(s) in question,
  • Rodney mach 2012/06/21 23:15:10
    Rodney
    +2
    The claim by senior ATF officials that none of the weapons lost in the botched Fast and Furious sting operation were used in the shooting of a Border Patrol agent is not supported by FBI ballistics tests, according to a copy of the FBI report on the shooting.
  • mach Rodney 2012/06/22 05:25:38
    mach
    +1
    FBI information would be spread like butter throughout the MSM. I really don't think they've determined if it was a bullet from one of the weapons in question.
    How will you feel if it's determined that the fatal bullet WAS NOT from a F&F weapon?
  • Rodney mach 2012/06/22 07:03:46 (edited)
    Rodney
    +3
    Are you talking about the same mass media that has stayed quiet on this whole deal until just recently? The same mass media who has been living with their lips firmly affixed to Barry's ass for 4 years?
  • zapped mach 2012/06/23 02:39:54
    zapped
    +1
    the media is under "TIGHT SENSORSHIP " all of them ...I personally know a reporter channell 7 ( boise id ) who confirmed there under tight sensorship / and editing ,,,and anything remotely negative towards obama & current admin. is heavily edited & sensored ,,,
  • mach zapped 2012/06/23 04:30:21
    mach
    +1
    I believe that! I just happen to know the Pope personally.
  • zapped mach 2012/06/23 05:10:58 (edited)
    zapped
    yeah right ....

    you funny
  • Wolfman 2012/06/21 04:24:23
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Wolfman
    +10
    What else is Obama hiding?

    What else is Obama hiding
  • SunShine Wolfman 2012/06/21 06:00:34
    SunShine
    +3
    probably lots..
  • Wolfman SunShine 2012/06/21 06:20:21
    Wolfman
    +4
    I want to know what it is.

    what s obama hiding
  • mach 2012/06/21 04:24:05
    Undecided
    mach
    +1
    The issue of executive privelege may not apply to Holder, but implicating Obama, whether he was involved or not might be next to impossible to pursue, as I'm certain he will use it, and be well within his rights.
  • Rodney mach 2012/06/21 05:05:07
    Rodney
    +6
    By invoking Executive Privilege, the President is basically saying that the executive branch (The President ONLY is covered) has or had prior knowledge of the program. Does not look good to insert himself at this time.
  • SunShine Rodney 2012/06/21 06:01:13
    SunShine
    +4
    esp. as he said he never heard of it.
  • Rodney SunShine 2012/06/21 06:10:56
    Rodney
    +5
    Makes little Eric look even more like a liar too.
  • OhPuhleze 2012/06/21 03:53:19
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    OhPuhleze
    +6
    Treasn. Question is - do any Republicans have the guts to call him out? Just consinue pushing the fake birth cert issue and see where that leads.
  • Old Salt 2012/06/21 03:52:20
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Old Salt
    +14
    This is an Administration that discloses what should be kept secret…. (Seal Team 6, Informants of OBL, Israeli/American attacks on Iranian Nuclear computers), yet remains secret on that which should be disclosed! He will leak our National security, yet hides from Congress through an Article I authority!

    IF this does not prove that the President of the United States is our greatest TRAITOR…. What will? :(


    obama the taitor
  • Rodney Old Salt 2012/06/21 04:22:04
    Rodney
    +9
    Excellent answer.
  • MIZ® ₱... Old Salt 2012/06/21 06:47:58
    MIZ®  ₱д₸Ɽ¡Ö₸ ₩дⱤⱤ¡ÖⱤ   †
    +3
    It does prove it to those of us who are actually 'listening,' OS!
  • Daniel MIZ® ₱... 2012/06/21 09:13:30
  • Annette Old Salt 2012/06/21 20:45:27
    Annette
    +3
    I happen to love this quote by Marcus Tullius Cicero because it is so totally apt to today and this traitor in our midst.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
  • Old Salt Annette 2012/07/01 20:44:29
    Old Salt
    +2
    EXCELLENT! :)
  • Jake Blanton 2012/06/21 03:37:27
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    Jake Blanton
    +5
    He commits treason by his very occupation of the White House. He is an illegal squatter and should be evicted (with extreme prejudice if necessary) as soon as possible.
  • stormy rae 2012/06/21 03:34:11
    Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...
    stormy rae
    +5
    i just hope it sticks
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/06/21 03:22:14
    Undecided
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +2
    I'm not quite sure what went on here but I do know that people died because of it. And I know of two more people who should also be given the death sentence for treason. I'd be willing to accept that as reparation for the deceased.

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