Fast and Furious: did Obama commit treason?
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Last week, Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Oversight Committee
warned Attorney General Eric Holder that his committee was about to hold
him in contempt of Congress.
No, Mr. Attorney General. You are not a good witness. A good witness answers the questions asked of him. Now I ask you again…
The above was just a sample of what Issa and his colleagues gave Holder, the last time he sat before them.
So on Monday, Holder made a last-minute offer. He would meet Issa in
private and go over what documents he had about Operation Fast and
Furious, and why any of them were too sensitive for Holder to hand over.
Holder and Issa did meet yesterday afternoon at 5:00. Issa came away
angry and adamant about holding a hearing, or “markup,” about Holder and
his attitude. He told reporters that Holder had offered him nothing but
empty promises. Worse, he demanded that Issa not ask for any more
documents after the so-called “briefing.” In holding his “markup,” Issa
faithfully followed this “user’s manual on contempt of Congress.”
The “markup” began at 10:00 a.m. today. And then the putative President said something that changed everything.
Executive privilege
Before today, Holder always said that the papers Issa wanted would
breach “deliberative privilege.” That is close to the traditional
professional-client privilege, that protects all that passes between a
professional (like a lawyer or a doctor) and his client. In this case,
Holder was saying that the papers touched on sensitive things that
passed between him and his own advisers.
But today Barack Obama said that the papers broke executive privilege. According to CNN, that claim came in a letter from Deputy Attorney General James Cole to the committee. (See also this report in The Washington Post. Note the headline: the Post, for the first time, called Fast and Furious a “scandal.”)
Executive privilege protects certain matters that pass between the President and his
advisers. It applies when those matters involve protecting the United
States against invasion, infiltration, or other such danger.
That claim hit official Washington like a thunder-clap. The reason: Obama has never admitted that he knew anything about Fast and Furious until he started reading about it in the newspapers. But Issa wants documents of things that happened before the mainstream media started to cover Fast and Furious.
Fast and Furious background
Operation Fast and Furious grew out of Project Gunrunner. In it, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ordered
gun dealers to let known gangsters buy guns for the gang, and not
report them through the usual channels. ATF’s field office in Phoenix,
AZ, told those dealers that they would trace those guns to the
gangsters, and Mexican authorities would arrest the gangsters, and get
the guns back, in Mexico. This did not happen. Then on December 10,
2010, Border Control Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty. Authorities recovered two or three guns at the scene that were part of Fast and Furious.
In February of 2011, AG Holder said that ATF had never sat and
watched gangsters buy guns in this country and carry them back to
Mexico. But later in the year, Holder had to take that back.
(Today, Holder had to take something else back. Last week he
petulantly told Issa’s committee that the Bush administration had let
guns “walk,” too, in Operation Wide Receiver. A receiver is the
main body of any gun, that one attaches the stock, barrel, scope, and
other moving parts to; hence the name. Today Holder sheepishly admitted
that Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious were not the same, or even
remotely similar.)
Darrell Issa took over as Chairman of Oversight and Reform in January
of 2011. He started investigating Fast and Furious almost at once.
Today, at about 4:30 p.m., the committee took its vote. By an almost party-line vote of 23 to 17, with no member abstaining, the House Oversight Committee cited Holder for contempt of Congress. Issa will refer this matter to the full House of Representatives.
But Obama's executive privilege announcement bewilders some, and angers many others. The talking heads compared Obama to Nixon. But Obama has gone further than Nixon ever dared. He puts "throw-down" weapons in another country. A man dies. And now he is covering up for everyone involved, including just possibly himself.
What say you?
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Top Opinion
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Yes. Executive privilege is not appropriate here. And Obama has just admitted...+29Fast and Furious was nothing more than a throw-down program: a way to put guns south of the border and say, "You see? American gun nuts make guns available to any gangster who comes along! Take those guns away from people!"
One man is dead on our side of the border, and hundreds more are dead on the other side. And neither Obama nor any of his defenders want to own up to what they did.






















brilliant.
The law on executive privilege is that any communication with the president can be covered by executive privilege. That is how the court has ruled. Any executive(ie president) can (and has - including your mr bush) used this privilege as they wish.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpo...
Second, every last one of them had a tracking device built in.
In Fast and Furious, thousands of guns "walked," and almost none had tracking devices.
http://www.businessweek.com/m...
http://www.examiner.com/artic...
I'm not happy about the extension of executive powers either so don't start with the worshipping your leader crap. I just would really like to know why you all were so fine with all of the unconstitutional, illegal, dictatorial crap bush pulled - but now you're fit to be tied over obama. How exactly does that work?
So it's okay to break the law - both domestic and international law, and to vastly and unconstitutionally expand executive power, and to act like a dictator in a country which is supposed to have due process, laws, separation of powers, etc - if there are dead people involved.
I could go quite a few places with that, but I'm just going to defer to Mr. Franklin.
In 1755 (Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, Tue, Nov 11, 1755), Franklin wrote: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
I'd like to know that myself.
Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.
wow how did we get from SELLING OUR SOVEREIGNTY to your accusation of suggesting I AM RACIST, because I am disgusted by his selling our CIVIL RIGHTS to the UN for his REELECTION and NEW JOB after he leaves the US PRESIDENCY as UN SEC GEN.....OH BY THE WAY, I bitched when Clinton sold US ROCKET TECHNOLOGY to CHINESE and NORTH KOREA for CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS...
SO GET OFF THE RACE CARD...
http://www.sodahead.com/unite...
And I absolutely disagree with your cockamamie theory that this is about why Obama cannot legalize marijuana. Of which, by the way, I WILL NOT partake.
I don't know whether to laugh at you or simply cry.
This is nothing to do with marijuana. This is about throw-down weapons, to blame American gun owners for every bad thing with which you disagree.
You think Fast and Furious is old news? Apparently you do not watch television.
These stupid parochial pikeys have no idea what is happening in this country- or to their own children- look at the comments below- they're in total denial-