Fast and furious began under...Bush?
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Everyone should expect Attorney General Eric Holder to fudge the
truth about Operation Fast and Furious. After all, two American
law-enforcement officers, and 300 Mexican civilians, have died as a
result. But every time Eric Holder opens his mouth about Fast and
Furious, he lies. He says that “gun walking” started during the Bush
administration. That’s a lie. And also that he stopped a Bush
administration program when it got out of hand. That’s another lie.
Fast and Furious v. Wide Receiver
Operation Wide Receiver sounds like a metaphor from American football. It isn’t. The word receiver, in the gun law lexicon, means the main part of any firearm. This part receives all the other parts of a gun. Technically, the receiver is the “gun” when the goal is to count any number of guns.
These three reports
describe Operation Wide Receiver and how it differed from Operation
Fast and Furious. In Wide Receiver, agents of the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE, or ATF) would first put a
tracking device into a gun, and then ask a dealer to sell it to a straw
buyer. ATF planned to follow each gun from the store to the real buyer,
the one who sent the straw buyer to pick it up. From start to finish,
ATF told their counterparts in Mexico what they were doing.
Wide Receiver failed early. The three linked reports give several reasons:
- Whoever inserted some of the tracking devices into the guns, did a
poor job. He bent the antennas, so that their signals could not go very
far. - The batteries on some of the tracking devices died. So those devices could send no signal at all.
- Some straw buyers “sniffed out” the devices and removed them en route.
- Other straw buyers played games with the ATF. One favorite trick: to
drive in circles until the plane the ATF had following the signals, was
out of fuel and had to return to base.
ATF might have lost 300 guns in Wide Receiver. So they shut the program down in 2007. That was two years before Eric Holder even became
Attorney General. So if he shut down a Bush Administration program,
then he has a power that no earlier Attorney General ever had: time
travel.
Fast and Furious began in 2009. And ATF never bothered to
put tracking devices on any guns. They told gun dealers to sell as many
as 2000 guns overall. Some of them were the kinds of guns that no gun
dealer would dare carry (like the AK-47). And they never told the government of Mexico anything about it. (Mexican authorities are so angry that they are now investigating on their own.)
ATF have lost 1400 of those 2000 guns. The rest, ATF and Mexican agents
have recovered from crime scenes. ATF recovered two at a scene in this
country, where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died in the line of duty.
Only then did ATF shut down Fast and Furious.
What about you? Do you believe Eric Holder when he says he shut down an operation that went back to the Bush administration? Or is he playing fast and loose with the facts?
Read More: http://www.conservativenewsandviews.com/2012/07/09...
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Striker 2012/07/09 22:26:20Holder is lying: gun-walking started on his watch.






















"Some of them were the kinds of guns that no gun dealer would dare carry (like the AK-47)."
Every gun dealer I've ever gone to has had AK-47's or clones of them. That statement is a flat out lie..
BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!
uh huh.
and meanwhile, Congress once again steers peoples' minds away from the fact that they're doing everything they can to keep the economy in the tank in order to make Obama a one-term president - - and if they people suffer while they commit themselves to that one goal well - - it's too bad for them, isn't it?
and just one more thing: those of you who are screaming for Holder's head are saying you want the Federal government to arrest people for making legal gun sales:
so what if a person assures the original seller that he's buying these 50 guns for his own use and then sells them in the parking lot? hey! he could have changed his mind!
that's how this law works. to then arrest the person who sold those guns and to confiscate the guns would be illegal.
“Fast & Furious” was concocted to be a public relations ploy intended to convince the American people that Congress had to pass new gun restrictions and the UN “Small Arms Treaty” through the U.S. Senate.
(This sums it up by Nana)
You know, all you have to do is look it up! Yes, Bush started gunwaking WITH the consent of Mexico. Holder did not get the consent of Mexico, did not track the weapons and people DIED! Huge difference!!
Sorry, sometime's I get a little... passionate, about 9/11.
My apologies.
But that’s not all the report uncovered.
Information was revealed that Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who is one of Eric Holder’s right-hand men at the Justice Department, told Holder about the “Fast & Furious”-related programs in an August 19, 2009 memo.
Of course, as I have previously written, Holder has on a number of occasions said under oath that he has no knowledge of “Fast & Furious” until well into 2010.
With all the focus on this specific operation and Eric Holder, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that since day one, the Obama administration has been looking for a way to restrict our Second Amendment rights.
“Fast & Furious” was concocted to be a public relations ploy intended to convince the American people that Congress had to pass new gun restrictions and the UN “Small Arms Treaty” through the U.S. Senate.
The world has gone mad today
And good's bad today
And black's white today
And day's night today
-Cole Porter
This is the story that the Republicans are putting out there. The NRA and FOX Noise are also are also holding onto this fiction for dear life - with faces as straight as a warehouse full of two-by-fours. Congressman Darrell Issa has called Obama's "the most corrupt administration in American history". Where the hell was this guy between the years 2001 and 2009? Good's bad today. Day's night today.
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Tom Degan
you have no clue
then you said this.
truth is not hate
obama probably gave the order for "fast and furious" and was well advised about it. I've no proof of that but it is my opinion. Thousands of weapons went south of the border with no way of keeping tabs or tracking them and no one was aware of anything going on outside of obama's little circle of friends
“Fast & Furious” was concocted to be a public relations ploy intended to convince the American people that Congress had to pass new gun restrictions and the UN “Small Arms Treaty” through the U.S. Senate.
“Fast & Furious” was concocted to be a public relations ploy intended to convince the American people that Congress had to pass new gun restrictions and the UN “Small Arms Treaty” through the U.S. Senate.
Fast and Furious got started under Obama in Oct 2009 without the Mexican authorities being notified in an attempt to get American citizens to agree to stricter gun laws (killing our 2nd Amendment rights).
But that’s not all the report uncovered.
Information was revealed that Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who is one of Eric Holder’s right-hand men at the Justice Department, told Holder about the “Fast & Furious”-related programs in an August 19, 2009 memo.
Of course, as I have previously written, Holder has on a number of occasions said under oath that he has no knowledge of “Fast & Furious” until well into 2010.
With all the focus on this specific operation and Eric Holder, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that since day one, the Obama administration has been looking for a way to restrict our Second Amendment rights.
“Fast & Furious” was concocted to be a public relations ploy intended to convince the American people that Congress had to pass new gun restrictions and the UN “Small Arms Treaty” through the U.S. Senate.