FactCheck.org says Obama's claims about Romney's "outsourcing" are bogus. Your thoughts?

by JenSemPa Posted 2012/07/08 11:27:18

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	Not surprised. This is what a guy does when he can't run for re-election on his record.	64 votes	53%
	FactCheck.org is pointing out an Obama falsehood? Must be a bunch of racists running that group.	9 votes	8%
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Proggy 2012/07/08 11:57:45

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Just because you have the word "FACT" in your name just like PolitiFACT which have gotten more of it's share of the "FACTS" twisted to say the least , doesn't mean you're always on top of the "FACTS". If you really care to read the FACTS about Romney and Bain Capital's outsourcing here it is!

The Washington Post UNLIKE Brooks Jackson at the Annenberg PPC, could not be strong armed into changing the FACTS of their investigative reporting.
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Bill 2012/07/23 15:02:32

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Jrogers 2012/07/20 06:11:10

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Go ahead vote for the guy who wants to take all of your money and give it to his rich friends - that makes a lot of sense

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Call me Mark willya? 2012/07/10 19:55:41

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I don't really know much about the candidates themselves except what I read online and I'm not doing that anymore... Tired of political BS. Tired of right wingers trying to bully people and left wingers crying, and both sides whining about what the other is doing... This is supposed to be ONE COUNTRY!!! It was built on religious freedom and compromise, but somewhere along the way we all seem to have forgotten that... I'm done answering Political questions.

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AL 2012/07/10 07:05:52

Not surprised. This is what a guy does when he can't run for re-election on ...

Obama wouldn't know how to tell the truth in his life depended on it!

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Janet C K 2012/07/10 04:06:27 (edited)

Not surprised. This is what a guy does when he can't run for re-election on ...

Better than wasting other people's money on making your product more expensive and no one buys it- like Solyndra, Ener1, and the Volt. Mitt did what made sense from a business point of view. Obama is already spending our Great Grandchildren's money. Obama just lacks the balls to face dems and address entitlements- Bolyes Simpson was HIS panel. Obama LIED. He's just as bad as other politicians- and WORSE- because he abuses the American people's desire for a genuine president- like a true lawyer, he has them all feeling sorry for him because he's just so gosh darn like able- NOT BECAUSE HE'S been honest, transparent, consistent, OR knowledgeable. Makes me sick to see how gullible people are. At least with Mitt, you know what you're getting, and even if he did change his mind on some things- why can't he "evolve" like Obama?! His business sense is strong and we should be able to get out of this fiscal mess. Funny how they blame Congress ( the House) for the mess now, but the democratic Congress under Bush, and under Obama- didn't have a hand in any of the budget disasters- right?!

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JCD aka... to Janet C K 2012/07/10 06:47:44

George Romney's "business sense" was strong. Mitt "Tax Credit" Romney's outsourcing sense is strong. Read Proggy's TOP OPINION, and check Factcheck.

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Janet C K to JCD aka... 2012/07/10 16:50:31

What about Obama's decision to give Brazil billions hoping they'd give is their off shore oil? You all are fools. You'll justify Obama's actions AS PRESIDENT, but hold Mitt when he was the head of a business, to the role standards of a President?! Why don't you all run your daily & household decisions as if you're President. Obama leads you all to these stupid conclusions, just like his "unpatriotic" attack of Bush for raising the debt ceiling under a democratic congress-- where's the consistency in your logic? Are you that gullible? You don't care how many flat out lies or contradictions Obama pulls- why? Because he is intentionally working you all, USING his skills to come across as your friend- your guy- but without his personality- you'd all see him very differently. His actions would finally mean something. Stop judging a book by it's cover.

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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/10 07:03:16

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And funny how you cons all blame Obama for anything that happens on his watch except W's spending SINCE he left office totalling $5.07 trillion for the two unfunded wars, the tax cuts for the rich which added a trillion to the debt and the $800 billion bj to Big Pharma. But rail at Obama when he blames W.

Somehow your DNA does not allow for nuance or irony although hypocrisy sends up no red flags. As for Obama's lack of transparency, where's your non-partisan outrage at Romney for not disclosing 12 yrs worth of tax returns like his dad did? Or for sheltering perhaps hundreds of millions in Swiss bank accounts and in the Cayman's? For you transparency's only necessary when it's a Dem that you think should do it.

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/10 17:00:11

Why can't GW use the same pathetic excuse Obama uses? "I was given a water balloon from the dems & 9/11 that popped in my face! It was Barney Frank & al that elevated the housing bubble, gave loans based on social justice, not tax payers best interests. Where Bush went wrong was working with Dems- something all you people cry about now. Maybe if he hadn't, we'd be far better off. I didn't vote for Bush, but I'm not a puppet of the dem party despite supporting them all my life. Obama has no experience, other than failing at trying to create a green market when no one can afford a house! Simple MARKET RESEARCH would have shown all his followers HAD NO INTENTION of being the "yes" in "yes we can", they just want to be free riders. That's why even rich dems like Buffet & all the Hollywood Obama lovers didn't buy Volts, Solyndra products, or wind turbines. THEY don't want to be part of the solution either! Lauren Hill, Charley Rangle, and R Kelly- all don't want to "pay their fair share" under current tax code! All tax evaders! Just a reflection of Obama's "the law is meant for you- not me" mentality.

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/11 01:35:35 (edited)

You sound like an alcoholic justifying your addiction because of what everyone else does. Too bad you didn't hold Obama to those standards when he was running with jack for experience as a "community organizer"- not a real job. And look how well he really knew his community (Rev Wright). Whatever. Romney can be successful in the role as President. Expecting him to use the same formulas and decisions as President that he did as a CEO of a company illustrates your lack of understanding that you do different things for different situations- and it shows how dumb Obama thinks his followers are by feeding them this overly simplistic thinking. I'm not surprised AT ALL, that you'd actually think one can't run things differently depending on what the job is, and what the goals are.

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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/12 07:40:53

Thx for throwing one right done the middle of the plate. And gee, you forgot or hadn't heard that Obama was a US Senator speaking of experience you claim he didn't have.

As for Romney's gubernatorial experience, so bad was it that he won't even use it to run for President! Due to such things as Romneycare he knows it's a loser. And if his background as Bain's CEO was such great preparation for the presidency then why didn't it manifest itself in job creation in Massachusetts rather than what his pathetic record was as the 47th worst state which was down about 10 spots from before he took office? Good thing he's demonstrated his business "chops" as a job creator. Pffft!

As for him not using the same formulas as before, all he talks about is repeating the same economic, failed mistakes W used and which got us into the mess we're in right now. What was it Einstein said about insanity? Yeah, that quote.

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/12 16:04:27 (edited)

Oops, didn't mean to rave you- SORRY! Why was Massachusetts 47th? Man, you're like a Chris Matthews mini me! If your UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is close no nothing compared to everyone else, seems to me things are pretty damn good! People actually CHOOSING to work instead of suck up their neighbors tax dollars in unemployment. And the size of the state- how many jobs can a small state "create" to become #1 in job growth ?! Really- you can't walk yourself thru the obvious? How sad, as for as Obama as a Senator- hahahaha- what- so he has the record to NOT taking a position on things BECAUSE HE DIDN'T "GET IT"-- voted OOPS 8 times on important votes! Morning Joe on MSNBC said when he served in Congress, he casted over 10,000 votes, didn't ONCE have to ask to have a vote changed....but "Mr. Constitutional Scholar" asked 8 times in his short time serving- hahahaha. He voted TO FUND THE IRAQ WAR, and after opposing to raise the debt limit- under Bush during the DEMOCRATICALLY HELD CONGRESS- which PASSED. But of course because you don't understand how Congress works you actually believe the Dems were powerless to stop Bush. Funny what happens when Bush WORKED with the Dems! As President "Mr. I'm different" didn't even DEMAND a budget from Dems the first two years! What wou...&&&

Oops, didn't mean to rave you- SORRY! Why was Massachusetts 47th? Man, you're like a Chris Matthews mini me! If your UNEMPLOYMENT RATE is close no nothing compared to everyone else, seems to me things are pretty damn good! People actually CHOOSING to work instead of suck up their neighbors tax dollars in unemployment. And the size of the state- how many jobs can a small state "create" to become #1 in job growth ?! Really- you can't walk yourself thru the obvious? How sad, as for as Obama as a Senator- hahahaha- what- so he has the record to NOT taking a position on things BECAUSE HE DIDN'T "GET IT"-- voted OOPS 8 times on important votes! Morning Joe on MSNBC said when he served in Congress, he casted over 10,000 votes, didn't ONCE have to ask to have a vote changed....but "Mr. Constitutional Scholar" asked 8 times in his short time serving- hahahaha. He voted TO FUND THE IRAQ WAR, and after opposing to raise the debt limit- under Bush during the DEMOCRATICALLY HELD CONGRESS- which PASSED. But of course because you don't understand how Congress works you actually believe the Dems were powerless to stop Bush. Funny what happens when Bush WORKED with the Dems! As President "Mr. I'm different" didn't even DEMAND a budget from Dems the first two years! What would you have said of a republican did that?! Of course, you don't care- you LIKE being made a fool of- you LIKE the dems making their party into the party of double standards and hypocrites. WELL I DON'T, and I AM A DEMOCRAT. Just not one of you socialist types. I believe in having our debt under control SO WE CAN FUND PROGRAMS THAT ARE REASONABLE- not convincing everyone they have a disability so those who ARE disabled and want jobs can run circles around those who aren't but qualify because of people like you. You are sabotaging the system. Fannie & Freddie are the poster child of what's going to happen with this social justice experiment you all are running. When it pops like the housing bubble, you'll all cry and point to those wicked leaders who made unrealstic promises "that anyone could see were unfundable in the long term". Too bad you can't learn from the obvious mistakes made in the past. We HURT people more than we helped them with Fannie & Freddie. If they had credit, surely we ruined it for them by giving them loans they couldn't afford but "had a moral right to". We will cripple those who could have helped themselves, while we make them dependant, then pull the rug out from under them when we realize we can't fund it all. Which we can't. I think that's the cruelest joke of any. THEN WE punch in the face of all responsible people- like with Fannie & Freddie, by ruining housing prices (when the market went from flooded with buyers, to nothing, which over valued houses, then under valued them- who paid for it? Regular tax payers who provided the. "program" funds for unqualified homeowners. Poor investments made by dems, in the name of social justice, with NO CONCERN ABOUT LONG TERM FUNDING-- Just like Obama's first two years- NO BUDGET. But I don't expect you to care- you're like the kids of today- "I want immediate gratification, who cares if I earned it, or how hard the person who gave it to me worked for it- cause they can fix it for me".
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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/17 08:22:25

Oh, and stop reading and worse yet, believing those rt wing nut chain emails like the ones that claim Obama gave 2 billion to Brazil for their oil exploration. Got to Factcheck or Snopes and see what the truth is.

Unless you slept through your high school government classes then you should've remembered that the House does the spending bills not the prez. It was the banks who "loaned" Brazil the 2 billion, not Obama. Don't so gleefully suspend your critical and objective thinking just because you wishful thinkingly want something to be true.

Lastly, go on the internet and take any of those "Where do I stand politically" tests to see if you're really a Democrat. Your ability to blame only them looks suspicious. Feel free to prove me wrong by writing another of your bombastic tomes citing the mistakes of the Repubs.

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/20 02:52:09 (edited)

You know what's funny about the whole thing? This is just like everything Obama does. He says things, making it appear one way, when in reality, things are different. I watched him speak that day in Brazil. The way things came across made it sound like it was a done deal and he was encouraging THEM to offshore drill, and WE were going to be their best customers because we were working with them. If ANYONE is to blame for that misconception and twisting of reality- it's Obama. (Just like when he told a crowd he passed Nuclear Legislation on radioactive leaks, and about his act in the Illinois Senate to alter the bill to assist failed aborted babies that survived- to read like the federal bill- then he- then he voted against it. He's so good at making people think things and I think that's what happened here. He WANTED Brazil to THINK something, when in REALITY- he had no control over it! As far as I'm concerned- it's just another example of his manipulation. It just didn't work out and he couldn't take credit for it.

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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/20 07:51:58

He's NOT to blame for all of those crackpot, lie-filled, fear-based rt wingnut chain emails that are so idiotically swallowed by his critics.

And don't forget he was in Brazil at a CEO's/Business conference and was responding to a talk from the Brazillian folks. So what else was he gonna say to them? That he wasn't interested in doing any business with them thereby creating ill will?

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/20 15:29:26 (edited)

It's the same with everything he tells you people. He figures out what you want to hear, and makes speeches to make you swoon, doesn't matter if it's based on facts or reality- JUST LIKE IN BRAZIL, when he spoke to them, just like on his campaign trail, when he told them what THEY wanted to hear about the federal abortion born alive bill, that he "would have supported IF it was worded the same as the federal bill" that was supported by Democratic Senators including Kerry & Clinton- funny to find out what he did, was HE APPROVED the rewording of the bill (not to pass it), and to revote on it AFTER wording was changed to be identical to the Federal bill on live birth abortions (abortions that "failed" where in some cases potentially viable fetuses were born alive, given no medical care to breath, and allowed to die), THEN he voted AGAINST IT, a DIRECT CONTRADICTION, not to mention LIE, that he doesn't really feel you need to know. Just like he didn't need to tell you guys about the truth about his "passing legislation" on nuclear leaks. He knows he's lying, he trusting you're too stupid to call him out on it, and he's right. Same with his debt ceiling speeches in '08. Either he was just telling you what he knew you wanted to hear, or, he, as a Senator, didn't give a damn en...&

It's the same with everything he tells you people. He figures out what you want to hear, and makes speeches to make you swoon, doesn't matter if it's based on facts or reality- JUST LIKE IN BRAZIL, when he spoke to them, just like on his campaign trail, when he told them what THEY wanted to hear about the federal abortion born alive bill, that he "would have supported IF it was worded the same as the federal bill" that was supported by Democratic Senators including Kerry & Clinton- funny to find out what he did, was HE APPROVED the rewording of the bill (not to pass it), and to revote on it AFTER wording was changed to be identical to the Federal bill on live birth abortions (abortions that "failed" where in some cases potentially viable fetuses were born alive, given no medical care to breath, and allowed to die), THEN he voted AGAINST IT, a DIRECT CONTRADICTION, not to mention LIE, that he doesn't really feel you need to know. Just like he didn't need to tell you guys about the truth about his "passing legislation" on nuclear leaks. He knows he's lying, he trusting you're too stupid to call him out on it, and he's right. Same with his debt ceiling speeches in '08. Either he was just telling you what he knew you wanted to hear, or, he, as a Senator, didn't give a damn enough about you, to educate himself as to why he was voting against raising the debt ceiling with a Democratic Congress in '07. Or why he voted to SUPPORT funding the Iraq war! Seriously, he is no different, he's a lawyer & a politician, but you're right, he's "different", he doesn't lie to you, and he REALLY cares. Hahaha. At least Mitt worked within the desires and political leanings of his state, and helped accomplish WHAT THEY WANTED, with a democratic legislature. Funny how you have someone who proves they can meet the needs/wants of the State he governed, but instead of doing what Obama does, he compromised, laws got passed- and you guys bitch as if working like Obama and getting nothing done is the alternative. In reality, Mitt ran Massachusetts like a business, he figured out what was needed specifically for them, and made it happen DESPITE his political leanings. Obama didn't care to understand anything- all he knows is his followers- the "we" in "yes we can", didn't do their part. Sorry, that's not "a plan".
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aslan to Janet C K 2012/07/23 10:14:59

Great comment

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Tedster 2012/07/10 02:35:07

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Ten more misstatements and he'll be nearly even with Romney. Slow down Mitt and give him a chance to catch up!

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JCD aka... to Tedster 2012/07/10 06:43:04

Except that it's no "misstatement". Read Proggy's TOP OPINION, and click on "here it is".

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sjalan 2012/07/10 01:42:19

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Factcheck has been known to be wrong. At the same time every other source has said that President Obama is correct about Romney's outsourcing.

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Donald Eric Kesler 2012/07/09 21:41:05

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More than likely, President Obama's staff failed to do their job. They are the ones who provide his talking points. They should have vetted the material more carefully. Of course, since they work for President Obama, the responsibility for what he said falls upon his shoulders.

It is also possible that President Obama's staff expect most people to accept the misinformation without checking the facts; however, this is just speculation on my part.

I would prefer to support a candidate who is factually accurate 100% of the time; however, I don't see such a person ever getting elected.

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JCD aka... to Donald ... 2012/07/10 06:39:02

Except that it's the "Factcheck" "facts" that are wrong. Read Proggy's TOP OPINION, and click on "here it is".

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Donald ... to JCD aka... 2012/07/10 13:48:28

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I did. Thank you for sharing.

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Jackie 2012/07/09 19:40:01

Not surprised. This is what a guy does when he can't run for re-election on ...

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Everything Obama has said so far has been a lie. Why would he change now?

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Tedster to Jackie 2012/07/10 07:06:55

Evidently you're ok with all of Romney's lies. If so, you're a complete hypocrite.

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Jackie to Tedster 2012/07/13 02:40:53

Ummmmmmm... The Romney lies are just Obama lies. You still don't get it do you? Obama and his minions are lying. Even left wing Washington Post has to admit the blatant idiocy of the lies.

Barack Obama lies constantly. He lies every time he talks to the American public. He has lied about his birth, his childhood, his education, his influences and associations, his religion, his accomplishments, his policies, his true beliefs and his plans for America's future. His entire presidency has been a seamless fabric of deception and duplicity.

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Tedster to Jackie 2012/07/17 08:24:59

Gee, how did I know you were a Birther extremist? Or is that redundent? Please let me express my surprise and thank you answering any questions I formerly had!

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Jackie to Tedster 2012/07/21 19:44:39

Wow you really are clueless huh? His birth certificate has been proven to be a forgery beyond any shadow of a doubt now. Now a fact. An empirical truth .

And if you didn't know that every campaign promise he made the first time around, he broke. Well then, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, applies for you. As does truly clueless. Well gee sweetie, I'm surprised you can operate a computer.

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fudge35 2012/07/09 17:28:49 (edited)

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So is factcheck saying Bain never outsourced any jobs?? That is really hard to believe, because even he has admitted they have. Of course they dress it up and say they had to. but to say he has never is really odd. I think we will find out more about Romney and Bain as this campaign gets closer to the election.

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g_byst 2012/07/09 16:31:30

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I can't believe you are pointing this out! You have been exceptionally biased in the past. Are you, Mopeder, willing to take a closer look at your President? Will you look at his fictional autobiography? What else is he being deceptive about?

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dayowayne to g_byst 2012/07/11 19:47:54

I had to go back to see if I missed something! Good point.

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Diane Spraggs Yates 2012/07/09 14:40:20

Not surprised. This is what a guy does when he can't run for re-election on ...

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Lying about everything I would never vote for OBAMA NEVER !!!!!!!!

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fudge35 to Diane S... 2012/07/09 17:36:02

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Wow, then you definitely wont vote for Romney. This guy lies before one crowd, and does a 180 from that lie and tells another lie before a different crowd on the same subject. He really is shameless,

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Janet C K to fudge35 2012/07/10 04:19:48

Then I trust you feel the same about Obama! Except you expect it from Mitt- what does it mean when Obama who is pure and sweet does it? It is antisocial, that's what it is. Like his passing legislation on nuclear leaks (he didn't pass it, but that's what he told a crowd!), how about "renegotiating NAFTA"- yep, never really meant that, how about reforming drug companies- nope, just told you that because he knew high drug prices compared to Canada's was a hot button issue when he ran, oh, and how about the national deficit that Bush was "unpatriotic" for supporting?! Good theater to get you to "believe" in him. What abou all the votes in the Senate he voted "present" on instead of yes or no- what if all Senators did that? He became famous for that! But yeah, let him throw the first stone. In Christianity, they call that being a hypocrite.

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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/10 07:14:57

So you admit he's a Christian then? That's a start. How are you about a devout Mormon lying his ass off?

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/10 17:03:26

I don't care about his religion. There's a lot of devout Muslims that are way more honest than Obama. He's lousy at whatever religion he is. Look at his pathetic charitable contributions before he became Pres. I have no problem with Mormons. Judge yea not lest yea be judged.

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Janet C K to Janet C K 2012/07/10 17:07:18 (edited)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This is your transparent president. So much for not having special interests.

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/10 17:11:56

This one's great!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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Janet C K to Tedster 2012/07/10 17:16:51 (edited)

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/0... This is why he had no business campaigning on the debt ceiling- HE supported raising it! He can look into loving supporters eyes, like yours, and tell himself, you don't need the truth or details- that you're too stupid to ask him why he'd say this- or even care! Like him voting to support funding the Iraq war. Same political BS just Eddie Haskle style! You're the equivilant to the wife who won't leave the cheating husband-- or one that beats her---"but I love him, he's a good man!"

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Tedster to Janet C K 2012/07/10 23:38:27

Your post is what is known as a false equivalency.

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