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Explaining Freedom To Republicans

Foxy Warrior Guru 2012/04/21 22:10:08
This article made a lot of sense to me.


Explaining Freedom To Republicans
April 20, 2012
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In the United States of America, we famously like to say we are the – Land Of The Free – But let’s take a realistic look to uncover the specifics of American freedom.

When talking to people about politics, especially my Republican friends, I sometimes ask how our freedom in the United States is different from other advanced countries throughout the world. What sets us apart? It is interesting to hear the variety of answers to that question.

A lot of people commonly answer, “We have freedom of religion.” This is when I point out the that people who live in most any other advanced country like: Britain, France, Canada, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Japan, Singapore, and more, all enjoy the same freedom to practice the religion of their choice.

Some people, feeling a patriotic mood, will then firmly claim, “America is the best country in the world!” While I don’t necessarily disagree with that statement, I usually challenge them to explain how they reached that conclusion by asking how many countries that person has visited in order to determine America’s greatness to every other country in the world.

It’s not unusual for a person to give me a quick look of confusion, because no one has ever asked this type of question. The answer is usually the same; they have never traveled outside the United States. This is when I politely point out, “If you have never set foot outside the United States, what gives you the experience or knowledge to evaluate our greatness or our freedom, compared to the rest of the world?”

To prove the United States is the best country on Earth, it seems that my Republican friends almost always answer by comparing us to war-torn, impoverished nations run by brutal dictators. But rather than using third world dictatorships as the standard by which we should be compared, I think we ought to look at other advanced, industrialized countries. Doesn’t that seem to be more logical?

This is when I usually see that forehead wrinkling stunned look, because this person is now starting to think outside the conservative box.

There are certainly good things and bad things you can say about any country and America is no exception. So let’s compare our freedom to other advanced countries where people vote, work, go to college and have good healthcare. What exactly does it mean to be the “Land of the Free?”

According to the dictionary, freedom is defined as:

1) The power to determine action without restraint

2) The absence of constraint regarding choice or action

Health Care Freedom

In the United States, we have excellent doctors and hospitals. So do we have freedom to get the health care when we need it? Well, if you’re lucky enough to have good insurance through your employer or if you have enough wealth to pay cash for your healthcare, then you certainly do have that freedom. Otherwise, far too many Americans are not able to obtain any healthcare, if it is not an emergency, because health care in America costs far more than it does elsewhere in the world.

If freedom is the power to determine what actions you take, then most Americans are not free regarding health care. Countless Americans are denied access to health care for lack of ability to pay or their insurance company dictates what doctor they can use. Insurance companies will also dictate what medications they can take and what treatment will be allowed, regardless of what the doctor has ordered.

Citizens in just about every other advanced country on this earth enjoy health care freedom without constraint. Most important, they don’t have to worry about how to pay for their medical treatment because all citizens pay into a non-profit fund that pays for everyone’s health care. This fund is the form of a tax and the cost is far less for citizens to pay, compared to paying for health care insurance in the United States. Also, foreign governments commonly protect their citizens from corporate profiteers, which results in controlled health care costs for the people.

It’s easy to conclude that people in other advanced countries have much more health care freedom than Americans are granted.

College Education Freedom

Are Americans free to get a college education? Sure… if you can afford the outrageous cost, otherwise you can get student loans that take decades to repay.

If a young American wants to become a doctor or a lawyer, they may end up with student loan debt that totals hundreds of thousands of dollars. Again, average Americans cannot pay out-of-pocket for college because the price is far too high.

When you add in the interest that will be owed on top of the actual borrowed amount, the total that person will eventually pay back might be close to double the original loan.

Of course American banks like the idea of loaning money for outrageous student tuition and fees, because when the loan is paid back with interest, the banks typically receive close to twice what they originally loaned.

In other advanced countries around the world, their citizens have the freedom, without burdensome financial constraint, to obtain a college education. That’s because these countries understand that a better educated a society, is a more safe and prosperous society, which benefits everyone.

Some countries see the benefit of actually paying their citizens to attend college. Imagine if they tried that in the USA!

When a student in an advanced country graduates from college, that young adult does not hold oppressive debt. That means a college graduate has more money to spend, which of course helps stimulate their economy, instead of paying back student loans with interest.

It sounds like people in other advanced countries have more freedom of education compared to Americans.

Paid Time Off Work – Travel Freedom

Let’s talk about time off work. In the United States, people have far less paid time off than any other advanced country worldwide.

In the U.S., many employers give little or no paid vacation time to new employees until they have worked a full year. Usually you have to work with a particular company for quite a few years before you earn any “decent” vacation time. And even with seniority, some companies still don’t allow employees to take much paid time off.

The American Medical Leave Act only guarantees UNPAID time off for lengthy medical encounters. But most people can’t afford this so-called benefit. The United States is the only country in the world that does not have laws guaranteeing Americans the freedom to take paid time off work for health problems, maternity leave, family difficulties, etc.

Most other industrialized countries ensure their people receive the freedom to take paid time off. With the exception the United States, the average paid time off is 3 to 8 weeks annually, plus paid sick time may be unlimited, depending on the country.

It sounds like people in other advanced countries have more freedom to travel and take time off work than Americans are granted.

What Does All This Mean?

As an American, your freedom to access to health care is dependent on what insurance your employer chooses to offer, if your employer can afford this benefit. Otherwise you have to buy this freedom and most people do not have enough money to buy health care freedom.

Your freedom to take time off work or take a vacation is dependent on what your employer allows.

Your freedom to your access a college education depends on what student loans you can get, which will put you in debt for decades.

Far too many Americans don’t feel they even have the freedom to change jobs because they will lose their health insurance, or lose what little vacation time they have accrued.

If an American is wealthy, they might have enough money to buy freedom. But most Americans do not have that kind of money.

Perhaps if Americans had a little more money in our pockets, like our counterparts in other countries do, and we had more paid time off work, we might have more opportunity to travel outside the country and get first-hand information about the rest of the world.

But maybe that’s exactly what corporate America does not want, because then the American people would better realize that they are actually enslaved to the corporation. The “Land Of The Free” is no longer about you and me – it’s about corporate freedom.

I’ll end with this question: Are the people here to serve the corporations – or – are the corporations here to serve the people?

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  • Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~ 2012/06/18 12:32:14
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I base my ideologies on what works for countries around the world, and what I have found is that Single payer often works best, whist single provider often lags behind, the main reason being, the government is so horrifically inefficient. Basically, I support vouchers - the government will pay for a certain amount of healthcare every year, but you have the choice of what provider and if you get an insurance policy or not. The government will pay a certain amount towards your education every year, you can choose what school or university to go to.
  • goblue1968 2012/05/07 22:50:41
    goblue1968
    +1
    I agree with you, Foxy, that this article makes some sense. But where it causes confusion is by trying to redefine the word "freedom" into meaning the same as the word "rights", which apparently confuses most Americans. That is where the article by Nurse Pam is trying to spin the narrative. Basic freedom is being able to do anything you want to do as long as you don't harm anybody else in the process. But of course, most people can't do that, so we have to have laws against certain behaviors to try to limit individual freedom to behave in harmful manners. When the subjects became specific in her article (health care, education, time off for travel), those are not precise freedoms but preferred outcomes (or results) which are desired by most people. Sure, I want the freedom to get more education, but unless I can afford it (or even have the wherewithal to get to where the education is available) I can't have it. If I am diagnosed with a brain tumor tomorrow, I can't expect other people to pay for the exorbitant cost to treat it for me--that's just the breaks of life. That sort of health care shouldn't be free for me if I can't afford it!

    So what it basically comes down to is, it's impossible to be completely free in any society because of the inevitability of harming o...
    I agree with you, Foxy, that this article makes some sense. But where it causes confusion is by trying to redefine the word "freedom" into meaning the same as the word "rights", which apparently confuses most Americans. That is where the article by Nurse Pam is trying to spin the narrative. Basic freedom is being able to do anything you want to do as long as you don't harm anybody else in the process. But of course, most people can't do that, so we have to have laws against certain behaviors to try to limit individual freedom to behave in harmful manners. When the subjects became specific in her article (health care, education, time off for travel), those are not precise freedoms but preferred outcomes (or results) which are desired by most people. Sure, I want the freedom to get more education, but unless I can afford it (or even have the wherewithal to get to where the education is available) I can't have it. If I am diagnosed with a brain tumor tomorrow, I can't expect other people to pay for the exorbitant cost to treat it for me--that's just the breaks of life. That sort of health care shouldn't be free for me if I can't afford it!

    So what it basically comes down to is, it's impossible to be completely free in any society because of the inevitability of harming others without any restraints on behavior. When people compare "freedoms" between different countries, they are just picking and choosing which ones allow certain behaviors and not others, and which ones legislate more benefits to their citizens which then become taken for granted and are looked upon as basic rights instead of what they really are.
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  • bob 2012/05/04 20:59:55
    bob
    +1
    how about Corporate Freedom... oh yea we allready have that and it's a pain
  • LarryFine 2012/04/24 18:36:18
    LarryFine
    +4
    Just to summarize this brilliant article; this individual wants to compare us to the bankrupt European countries that praised their socialism for generations. Now their beloved governments are telling their citizens the party is over. The promises can not be kept; much like we are facing with the handful of socialist driven programs in the U.S.

    Here in the U.S., you do have the right to pursue your education, your career, take time off from working, have the best health care, etc. However, here in the U.S., DON'T ask other freedom loving Americans to foot the bill for those who WON'T. It's called individual liberty, not collective liberty.
  • Freedom4 2012/04/24 00:38:45
    Freedom4
    +3
    Wow, you have a very warped view of freedom. to you, freedom is stealing from others to avoid personal responsibility and letting the government dictate your every decision and control you.

    health care: Under the current system, I can choose to have insurance as anyone can. I can pick which company to have insurance with based on which one has the best reputation, fits my belief system, and has the coverage I value.

    Your view of freedom in health care is the government dicatating what you can and can not due based on what is politically popular. You will have birth control, but not certain cancer treatments. You will retard innovation to keep costs low and destroy the quality of health care for others to avoid personal responsibility for yourself.

    Paid Time Off-Travel Freedom

    You can always CHOOSE a job that provides this. forceing it on an employer is not freedom. People would have far more time and money to travel if they diid not pay soo much in taxes to be wasted on political cronyism like Solyndra and Obama making special flights in a jumbo jet for his dog for a photo opportunity. The mony that goes to those that choose not to work, but to live off your back instead. They get a lifetime of vacation, you work a third of the entire year to pay for them to do so.

    ...

    Wow, you have a very warped view of freedom. to you, freedom is stealing from others to avoid personal responsibility and letting the government dictate your every decision and control you.

    health care: Under the current system, I can choose to have insurance as anyone can. I can pick which company to have insurance with based on which one has the best reputation, fits my belief system, and has the coverage I value.

    Your view of freedom in health care is the government dicatating what you can and can not due based on what is politically popular. You will have birth control, but not certain cancer treatments. You will retard innovation to keep costs low and destroy the quality of health care for others to avoid personal responsibility for yourself.

    Paid Time Off-Travel Freedom

    You can always CHOOSE a job that provides this. forceing it on an employer is not freedom. People would have far more time and money to travel if they diid not pay soo much in taxes to be wasted on political cronyism like Solyndra and Obama making special flights in a jumbo jet for his dog for a photo opportunity. The mony that goes to those that choose not to work, but to live off your back instead. They get a lifetime of vacation, you work a third of the entire year to pay for them to do so.

    College Education Freedom:

    Everyone has access to a college education. We see that the more college is subsidized the more education costs and the poorer decsiosn people make in chosing a college major. Students CHOOSe to not work and contribute to their own education and then to charge their spring break vacations and nights out drinking on their student loans and expect other hard working Americans to bail them out.
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  • LarryFine Freedom4 2012/04/24 18:36:45
  • Anonymo... Freedom4 2012/06/18 12:37:06
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    I have to disagree about the healthcare - countries with government healthcare make more innovations in treatment that are just as effective but cheaper, In America, Pharmaceutical companies make more expensive drugs that work a bit better, so they can make more money out of them. After all, there is a lot of medical innovation in the UK and Canada, which are suppressed by American companies. I do agree that they often simply don't use new, more expensive treatments though.
  • Freedom4 Anonymo... 2012/06/23 13:06:10
    Freedom4
    1. That is entirely not true. They cut costs through destroying innovation there and rationing expensive medications for things like Cancer. The American companies press on with new innovation which costs more, but we could always choose to not partake in the new technologies. That is what is great about freedom. If that is what you choose, go for it. Why do you have to try to destroy everyone else's health care.

    2. Anyone can have health insurance. If they don't, it is a choice. Why destroy health care for everyone because of the poor choices of others. Just make them actually pay for their own choices.

    3. Not only is there no incentive to cut costs or operate efficiently, there is actually a large incentive to spend and be wasteful.

    4. There is a dangerous and is s dangerous and absolute lack of common sense in government. Here in St Louis, the post office does most of the international billing. My wife is a CPA that was auditing them. My wife's firm found that they were short $49 million, proportionately larger than the $2 billion lost at JP Morgan when the media and congress went after Jamie Diamond. In government, that is so prevalent that not a word was said about it and nobody was even fired

    . My wife asked the head of financing and accounting to see their genera...
    1. That is entirely not true. They cut costs through destroying innovation there and rationing expensive medications for things like Cancer. The American companies press on with new innovation which costs more, but we could always choose to not partake in the new technologies. That is what is great about freedom. If that is what you choose, go for it. Why do you have to try to destroy everyone else's health care.

    2. Anyone can have health insurance. If they don't, it is a choice. Why destroy health care for everyone because of the poor choices of others. Just make them actually pay for their own choices.

    3. Not only is there no incentive to cut costs or operate efficiently, there is actually a large incentive to spend and be wasteful.

    4. There is a dangerous and is s dangerous and absolute lack of common sense in government. Here in St Louis, the post office does most of the international billing. My wife is a CPA that was auditing them. My wife's firm found that they were short $49 million, proportionately larger than the $2 billion lost at JP Morgan when the media and congress went after Jamie Diamond. In government, that is so prevalent that not a word was said about it and nobody was even fired

    . My wife asked the head of financing and accounting to see their general ledger accounts to chase down the error, the head said" I'm sorry, I have only been here two years, what is a general ledger?" A GL is one of the most basic things anyone in finance or accounting should know. My wife asked her what she did before this position and she said she managed IT. When my wife asked why she switched to this position and she said That she had seniority and it was her turn. This is freaking insane and a great example of why the government is so wasteful, ineffective, and the private sector is all around better at getting things done.
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  • Anonymo... Freedom4 2012/06/23 13:27:28
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    They don't destroy innovation there, they encourage finding cheaper ways of treating patients, but if someone comes out with an expensive drug that works better, they just won't pay for it. You know, most of the medical innovation I hear is in Canada, Britain and recently South Africa. All with socialised medicine. That is a load of rubbish. Many people get turned away from obtaining medical insurance because of underlying conditions, and if they could get insurance from a company it would be ridiculously expensive. I agree, when the government just gives the hospitals money no matter what, it encourages inefficiency and wasteful spending. That is a bad system. Yes, government is run by idiots who should not have any say in healthcare. I myself don't support socialised healthcare, I just enjoy playing Devil's Advocate. I prefer having lots of independent public and private hospitals dotted around the place, where the public ones are exactly the same as the private one's, except they're not for profit and their main objective is to make care cheaper. So they're basic, no frills healthcare, they have all the gadgets of private hospitals, but with less privacy, less comfort, and probably less attentive nurses, but at about 1/2 the price. Also have medical vouchers tha...
    They don't destroy innovation there, they encourage finding cheaper ways of treating patients, but if someone comes out with an expensive drug that works better, they just won't pay for it. You know, most of the medical innovation I hear is in Canada, Britain and recently South Africa. All with socialised medicine. That is a load of rubbish. Many people get turned away from obtaining medical insurance because of underlying conditions, and if they could get insurance from a company it would be ridiculously expensive. I agree, when the government just gives the hospitals money no matter what, it encourages inefficiency and wasteful spending. That is a bad system. Yes, government is run by idiots who should not have any say in healthcare. I myself don't support socialised healthcare, I just enjoy playing Devil's Advocate. I prefer having lots of independent public and private hospitals dotted around the place, where the public ones are exactly the same as the private one's, except they're not for profit and their main objective is to make care cheaper. So they're basic, no frills healthcare, they have all the gadgets of private hospitals, but with less privacy, less comfort, and probably less attentive nurses, but at about 1/2 the price. Also have medical vouchers that people can choose what to do with, with private or public insurance policies, pay as you go, or saving them for big operations. The private sector is better, that's why we should increase competition between hospitals.
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  • Freedom4 Anonymo... 2012/06/23 13:07:41
    Freedom4
    1. That is entirely not true. They cut costs through destroying innovation there and rationing expensive medications for things like Cancer. The American companies press on with new innovation which costs more, but we could always choose to not partake in the new technologies. That is what is great about freedom. If that is what you choose, go for it. Why do you have to try to destroy everyone else's health care.

    2. Anyone can have health insurance. If they don't, it is a choice. Why destroy health care for everyone because of the poor choices of others. Just make them actually pay for their own choices.

    3. Not only is there no incentive to cut costs or operate efficiently, there is actually a large incentive to spend and be wasteful.

    4. There is a dangerous and is s dangerous and absolute lack of common sense in government. Here in St Louis, the post office does most of the international billing. My wife is a CPA that was auditing them. My wife's firm found that they were short $49 million, proportionately larger than the $2 billion lost at JP Morgan when the media and congress went after Jamie Diamond. In government, that is so prevalent that not a word was said about it and nobody was even fired

    . My wife asked the head of financing and accounting to see their genera...
    1. That is entirely not true. They cut costs through destroying innovation there and rationing expensive medications for things like Cancer. The American companies press on with new innovation which costs more, but we could always choose to not partake in the new technologies. That is what is great about freedom. If that is what you choose, go for it. Why do you have to try to destroy everyone else's health care.

    2. Anyone can have health insurance. If they don't, it is a choice. Why destroy health care for everyone because of the poor choices of others. Just make them actually pay for their own choices.

    3. Not only is there no incentive to cut costs or operate efficiently, there is actually a large incentive to spend and be wasteful.

    4. There is a dangerous and is s dangerous and absolute lack of common sense in government. Here in St Louis, the post office does most of the international billing. My wife is a CPA that was auditing them. My wife's firm found that they were short $49 million, proportionately larger than the $2 billion lost at JP Morgan when the media and congress went after Jamie Diamond. In government, that is so prevalent that not a word was said about it and nobody was even fired

    . My wife asked the head of financing and accounting to see their general ledger accounts to chase down the error, the head said" I'm sorry, I have only been here two years, what is a general ledger?" A GL is one of the most basic things anyone in finance or accounting should know. My wife asked her what she did before this position and she said she managed IT. When my wife asked why she switched to this position and she said That she had seniority and it was her turn. This is freaking insane and a great example of why the government is so wasteful, ineffective, and the private sector is all around better at getting things done.
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  • scbluesman13 2012/04/23 19:07:49
    scbluesman13
    +3
    Citizens of this country haven't had real freedom for a long time, and specifically people of my ancestry I don't think ever really had freedom in the US, not completely. This man can explain it far better than I ever could:

  • LarryFine scblues... 2012/04/24 18:42:46
    LarryFine
    +2
    The government owns more of the natural resources and land in this country than ANY one company. The biggest screw job is coming straight from DC. And, why do companies get away with bribing politicians? Because uninformed, uncaring, uninvolved potential voters LET them.
  • scblues... LarryFine 2012/04/24 19:31:42
    scbluesman13
    +2
    Precisely. If people knew just how many patents on things we use everyday were owned by our government their heads would explode. Our government (by its own legal definition) has the right to stop citizens from growing most types of food crops, mixing herbal remedies, or making certain types of synthetic drugs because they own the patents to them!
  • Anonymo... LarryFine 2012/06/18 12:38:38
    Anonymouse BN-0 ~bibbityboo~
    +1
    That's why you can't allow the government to have control, because the government is just controlled by the corporations.
  • Freedom4 scblues... 2012/04/26 00:18:49
    Freedom4
    Only because so many people are willing to give away their freedom and steal the freedom of others to be LAZY.
  • scblues... Freedom4 2012/04/26 21:01:20
    scbluesman13
    +1
    I don't necessarily think that the people are lazy. I think that many of these freedoms are taken away without them ever knowing (until it's too late). I think the problem of our citizenry isn't laziness, but that they're not politically engaged enough with the kind of legislation that gets thrown around in their statehouses and in Congress. If they were, they'd be a lot more pissed off.
  • Uranos7 2012/04/23 17:43:28
    Uranos7
    +6
    The definition of freedom.
    free·dom [free-duhm] noun
    1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
    2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
    3. the power to determine action without restraint.
    4. political or national independence.
    5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom.

    1.) Americans are not restrained unless they have committed an offense and violated the law thus rejecting thier right to freedom.
    2 ) Currently Liberals are the ones trying to exude external control on Americans by forcing them to buy healthcare from a third party, and regulating that religious organizations must do things against thier beliefs. Republicans are trying to reduce the interference of how a person invests for thier retirement.
    3 ) Anyone can be whatever they want if they work for it other countries you are told what to be based on test results.
    4 ) We have a political system where everyone can express thier views and vote for people who they believe will carry out thier views.
    5 ) Republicans are working to insure our personal liberty, while Obama seeks to take it away by recording the phone calls, taking the right to fair an...










    The definition of freedom.
    free·dom [free-duhm] noun
    1. the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint: He won his freedom after a retrial.
    2. exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
    3. the power to determine action without restraint.
    4. political or national independence.
    5. personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery: a slave who bought his freedom.

    1.) Americans are not restrained unless they have committed an offense and violated the law thus rejecting thier right to freedom.
    2 ) Currently Liberals are the ones trying to exude external control on Americans by forcing them to buy healthcare from a third party, and regulating that religious organizations must do things against thier beliefs. Republicans are trying to reduce the interference of how a person invests for thier retirement.
    3 ) Anyone can be whatever they want if they work for it other countries you are told what to be based on test results.
    4 ) We have a political system where everyone can express thier views and vote for people who they believe will carry out thier views.
    5 ) Republicans are working to insure our personal liberty, while Obama seeks to take it away by recording the phone calls, taking the right to fair and speedy trial away from Americans.

    Healthcare yes other countries do have government run healthcare but it ain't free. In France ( the number 1 healthcare system in the world) it is paid for by a 34% income tax paid by every worker and employer.
    College education again other countries do have government programs that pay for tuition but it is not free. Some have a very high education tax of up to 24% others require an equal or greater time spent in military service in exchage for a college education.

    French Labor stats American Labor stats
    Days off work 117 days 163 days
    France has 7 weeks of paid time off compared to America's 5 but again not free workers put a portion of thier salary into liberty funds to pay for the extra vacation time.

    What Does All This Mean?

    It means that although other countries my have benifits we do not; they pay for those benefits in ways we do not. So Americans have more freedom because the money they make is thiers to do with as they wish rather than having someone tell them where to spend it.
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  • Jane 2012/04/23 14:50:47
    Jane
    Our government serves corporations at this point and Americans harbor extreme hatred for each other and we are free to do so. Isn't this a great country and getting greater with every self made millionaire who was also free to get money in any way his government deemed legal. Corporations are persons.
  • Charles E 2012/04/23 13:50:06
    Charles E
    +3
    It seems that you are defining freedom by what a person can demand from the government or employer. You do not mention any obligations of the individual to the good of society at large.

    Your claim that lack of months of paid vacation time is a sign of lack of freedom.
    Since most Americans do not take the time they are given, that claim makes little sense.
    And the extensive time off allowed in many advanced socialist states is a major reason their base unemployment rate was many times the US rate before Obama.
  • Jane 2012/04/23 05:12:48
    Jane
    +2
    Explaining freedom to republicans is not possible.
  • FeedFwd Jane 2012/04/23 13:42:42
    FeedFwd
    +3
    Explaining economics to liberals is just as difficult, IMHO. Ditto human nature.
  • Jane FeedFwd 2012/04/23 14:40:55
    Jane
    +2
    Funny how the republicans do all the spending and blame it on the democrats.When Clinton took office he had massive republican debt to pay and this time when Obama took office he not only had a recession to deal with but unfunded wars and a congress unwilling to work for the people.
  • FeedFwd Jane 2012/04/23 15:07:58
    FeedFwd
    Well, that is not exactly the way it is/was, but it does explain why conservatives are so upset with RINOs that do promote spending just like democrats.
  • Jane FeedFwd 2012/04/23 15:29:06
    Jane
    +2
    I think if we could learn to work together again instead of for corporations we would be able to fix all our problems, number one being education.
  • FeedFwd Jane 2012/04/23 17:07:25
    FeedFwd
    I wonder if we could agree on how to fix education. Forgetting for the moment that I believe more choice and a free market in education will lead to the discovery of the best way to educate....

    Look at what is wrong today. There are three key problems I see in both good schools and bad. One is discipline. Unruly and disruptive students should be subject to some kind of punishment to deter the behavior and/or so should their parents. Corporal punishment, suspension and expulsion used to work, but the only thing resembling them we see today is in school suspension or detention. Unruly kids don't mind and neither do parents. Next is critical thinking. Replace a good measure of multiple choice testing and PowerPoint and videos in class with word problems, thought/essay questions, and student reading. Finally, is content. The curriculum in most school districts and textbooks has been watered down to avoid offending anybody or to satisfy other agendas, political and otherwise. Students were challenged in times past and are not challenged sop much today. This has led to excessive state-wide standards testing and "teaching to the test". I think testing is important, but the focus should be on excelling, not simply passing.

    It would help if parents were more involved, but th...
    I wonder if we could agree on how to fix education. Forgetting for the moment that I believe more choice and a free market in education will lead to the discovery of the best way to educate....

    Look at what is wrong today. There are three key problems I see in both good schools and bad. One is discipline. Unruly and disruptive students should be subject to some kind of punishment to deter the behavior and/or so should their parents. Corporal punishment, suspension and expulsion used to work, but the only thing resembling them we see today is in school suspension or detention. Unruly kids don't mind and neither do parents. Next is critical thinking. Replace a good measure of multiple choice testing and PowerPoint and videos in class with word problems, thought/essay questions, and student reading. Finally, is content. The curriculum in most school districts and textbooks has been watered down to avoid offending anybody or to satisfy other agendas, political and otherwise. Students were challenged in times past and are not challenged sop much today. This has led to excessive state-wide standards testing and "teaching to the test". I think testing is important, but the focus should be on excelling, not simply passing.

    It would help if parents were more involved, but that just isn't going to happen. The number of single parent families is going up, not down, and I suspect the number of 2 parent families where both parents work is also going up. So I don't see parents getting much more involved, even if they wanted to.
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  • Jane FeedFwd 2012/04/24 14:43:38
    Jane
    +1
    OK, I read all that and the only conclusion I came to, is you need a broader view (education, if you will) of the real world.
    Corporal punishment has never worked, especially for the ones it was used against. We need more teachers (good teachers) and we need to pay them more.
    What offends me is my state changing the text books to suit their religious beliefs and what they what their children to believe about American history.
    If all schools received equal moneys, all kids would receive equal education.
    The kids that aren't challenged go to poor schools.
    AND,,,Maybe if we weren't SO competitive with each other, we would all fair better. All things in moderation.
  • FeedFwd Jane 2012/04/24 15:22:46
    FeedFwd
    Today, the worst schools receive the most money. See how much is spent per pupil in places like DC and Detroit. Most public schools are not the exclusive prep schools stereotyped in movies and most of them spend less per pupil than most public schools. They are only appear to be more expensive because you pay out of your own pocket instead of saddling the taxpayer with the cost. Your whole premise is faulty. I live in the real world. I have 6 kids of my own that range from preschool to college. I have fostered around 30. I have volunteered as a scoutmaster for a boys home (orphanage, if you will) They were not from wealthy homes and intact families. I have seen the top and the bottom of society.

    Perhaps if teacher pay was based on merit, instead of tenure, the way other professionals are paid, then we would have better teachers and they would make more money. Private school teachers earn less, in general, than public school teachers and achieve better results. Ever wonder why? It is because of discipline in school. I don't care how discipline is achieved, as long as it is achieved. Expulsion works as well as corporal punishment. Maybe even better. Let parents figure out how to take care of rotten little Johnny when he won't follow the rules at school and gets ex...

    Today, the worst schools receive the most money. See how much is spent per pupil in places like DC and Detroit. Most public schools are not the exclusive prep schools stereotyped in movies and most of them spend less per pupil than most public schools. They are only appear to be more expensive because you pay out of your own pocket instead of saddling the taxpayer with the cost. Your whole premise is faulty. I live in the real world. I have 6 kids of my own that range from preschool to college. I have fostered around 30. I have volunteered as a scoutmaster for a boys home (orphanage, if you will) They were not from wealthy homes and intact families. I have seen the top and the bottom of society.

    Perhaps if teacher pay was based on merit, instead of tenure, the way other professionals are paid, then we would have better teachers and they would make more money. Private school teachers earn less, in general, than public school teachers and achieve better results. Ever wonder why? It is because of discipline in school. I don't care how discipline is achieved, as long as it is achieved. Expulsion works as well as corporal punishment. Maybe even better. Let parents figure out how to take care of rotten little Johnny when he won't follow the rules at school and gets expelled. If they won't, let the government send them to juvenile detention centers or whatever they do with minors. Let the schools decide on the discipline policy they will follow and let parents choose the one in line with their values.

    You will never get rid of competition. You need to embrace it and harness it so that it is productive. That is what the free market does.
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  • DutchHe... Jane 2012/04/23 19:42:49
    DutchHeretic Native non-American
    explaining economics to republicans is also impossible
  • Jane DutchHe... 2012/04/24 14:46:55
    Jane
    +1
    Seems that way because most won't listen to anything but what their buddies are saying. We are living in a time when people have made a sport out of hate.
  • FeedFwd Jane 2012/04/24 15:28:52
    FeedFwd
    I hope I haven't been hateful. I do get a bit sarcastic at times. There is usually more than one way to skin a cat. There is more than one way to scale a mountain. Some are more risky, some may be faster and some easier. Some appear to be the best way, but end up becoming impossible along the way perhaps due to a sheer overhang. What is my point? Economics can lead us to more than one approach to a "solution". The question becomes more of which is the best way and are some really a false trail. It has been said that a bad economist looks only at what can be seen and a good economist considers the effects that cannot be seen. Sometimes I support others, but I try to voice my original ideas in my own words and let the chips fall. I certainly do not hate liberals or others who disagree with me and apologize if I come off as hateful. To know me is to love me! ;)
  • FeedFwd 2012/04/23 04:30:27 (edited)
    FeedFwd
    +5
    We have the freedom to do all those things, but we don't have the right to demand that somebody else pay our way. Freedom properly understood means freedom to do what you want until it infringes on another. Freedom as expressly and implicitly described in the constitution and Bill of rights was about freedom from government deciding for us what healthcare, education, jobs, religion, or anything else we should accept. It is not about what government may do to/for us, but what government may NOT do to/for us that defines constitutional liberty. It is great if a country becomes wealthy and decides to provide via the government for those who are needy. But that in no way defines freedom or liberty. quite the opposite, actually. Now you may feel it would be better to live in western Europe or Japan or Korea or Australia or New Zealand. Go for it. You have the freedom to leave as long as the receiving country gives you the freedom to immigrate. I have worked and been on 6 continents. I am not one of those inexperienced conservative that you described. Feel free to discuss the joys of living overseas with me.
  • DeCaf FeedFwd 2012/04/23 13:32:59
    DeCaf
    +2
    Amen. And those "idyllic" Netherlands, Sweden....... don't even have the population of NYC, or Chicago, Los Angeles, or Houston. So of course, it is easier to supply their citizens with health care, etc..... and have their tax rates be as much as 70%......
  • FeedFwd DeCaf 2012/04/23 13:41:41
    FeedFwd
    +2
    I don't think it is the numbers as much as the uniformity of culture across the entire country.
  • DeCaf FeedFwd 2012/04/23 13:50:34
    DeCaf
    +1
    yes, uniformity of culture is a big part of it also.
  • DutchHe... DeCaf 2012/04/23 19:46:53
    DutchHeretic Native non-American
    35% lowest scale 48% middle scale 65% highest scale, last time I checked here (in the netherlands) and guess what: it works !
  • Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~ 2012/04/23 03:49:26
    Ali ~ In My Heart I Trust ~
    +4
    EXCELLENT post. Thank you so much for explaining why a plutocracy reduces the freedoms of the individual and how enlightened government can aid in the development of a truly free society.
  • rightagain 2012/04/23 03:20:33
    rightagain
    +3
    NUTS TO YOU
    I don't think you are so smart .......In fact you didn't do any reserch did you .You just talk a good game but you are wrong.
    We do not have a Church of America. Like they have the Church of Scotland, Church of England, Church of Wales.The head of the Church of England is the reigning British monarch, presently Queen Elizabeth II. We are free from that idea because of our constitution forbids a state religion.Yes I know they are free to enjoy their choice but it can be taken away in a flash but not here.After the US declaired freedom of religion other countries begain similar laws because of us. Religion in Japan. Japan enjoys full religious freedom Religion does not play a big role in the everyday life of most Japanese people today.Shinto and Buddhism are Japan's two major religions and only 2% are Christian Religion in Singapore. In Singapore the Constitution provides for freedom of religion; however, the Government restricts this right in some circumstances.All religious groups are subject to government scrutiny and must be registered legally under the Societies Act. The Government deregistered the country's congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1972 and the Unification Church in 1982, making them unlawful societies. In New Zealand The Treaty of Waitangi in...



    NUTS TO YOU
    I don't think you are so smart .......In fact you didn't do any reserch did you .You just talk a good game but you are wrong.
    We do not have a Church of America. Like they have the Church of Scotland, Church of England, Church of Wales.The head of the Church of England is the reigning British monarch, presently Queen Elizabeth II. We are free from that idea because of our constitution forbids a state religion.Yes I know they are free to enjoy their choice but it can be taken away in a flash but not here.After the US declaired freedom of religion other countries begain similar laws because of us. Religion in Japan. Japan enjoys full religious freedom Religion does not play a big role in the everyday life of most Japanese people today.Shinto and Buddhism are Japan's two major religions and only 2% are Christian Religion in Singapore. In Singapore the Constitution provides for freedom of religion; however, the Government restricts this right in some circumstances.All religious groups are subject to government scrutiny and must be registered legally under the Societies Act. The Government deregistered the country's congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1972 and the Unification Church in 1982, making them unlawful societies. In New Zealand The Treaty of Waitangi in 1840 established a British Governor of New Zealand, recognised Māori ownership of their lands and other properties, and gave the Māori the rights of British subjects. The English and Māori versions of the Treaty differed significantly, so there is no consensus as to exactly what was agreed to.Until the 1970s, the Treaty was generally ignored by both the courts and parliament, although it was usually depicted in New Zealand history as a generous act on the part of the Crown.New Zealand has no state religion and freedom of religion has been protected since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi.Religion in Brazil. In 1891, when the first Brazilian Republican Constitution was set forth, Brazil ceased to have an official religion and has remained secular ever since, though the Catholic Church remained politically influential into the 1970s. The Constitution of Brazil guarantees freedom of religion and strongly prohibits the establishment of any religion by banning government support or hindrance of religion at all levels.Religion in Australia. The Constitution of Australia prohibits the Commonwealth government from establishing a church or interfering with the freedom of religion, however, states are free under their own constitutions to interfere or establish a church,[citation needed] although none ever has. Religion in Belgium. After attaining autonomy from the federal state level in religious matters, the Flemish regional parliament voted a new Flemish regional decree on recognized religious denominations, installing democratically elected church councils for all recognized religious denominations and made them subject to the same administrative rules as local government bodies - with important repercussions as far as financial accounting and open government are concerned.Religion in Germany. Since 1949 the German constitution guarantees freedom of faith and religion. It also states that no one may be discriminated against due to their faith or religious opinions. A state church does not exist in Germany.[15] Religious communities that are of considerable size and stability and are loyal to the constitution can be recognised as "Körperschaften öffentlichen Rechtes" (statutory corporation). This gives them certain privileges, for example being able to give religious instruction in state schools (as enshrined in the German constitution, though some states are exempt from this) and having membership fees collected (for a fee) by the German revenue department as Church tax.Religion in France. France guarantees freedom of religion as a constitutional right and the government generally respects this right in practice. A long history of violent conflict between groups led the state to break its ties to the Catholic Church early in the 1800s and adopt a strong commitment to maintaining a totally secular public sector. If a country is free to worship they had to fight for it and we started it.
    No I don't travel and don't need to to know what I have here. I'm sorry for you and all those kids that they don't teach in school anymore. Yes I do know about the world around us and again you are wrong to say “If you have never set foot outside the United States, what gives you the experience or knowledge to evaluate our greatness or our freedom, compared to the rest of the world?”Well I'll tell you that most people living outside our borders reside in countries where the private practice of broadcast journalism is illegal and where the state is the dominant banker.America has shined as a beacon of freedom in an unfree world for more than two centuries.Alexander Hamilton (the first Secretary of the Treasury), John Jacob Astor (America's first multimillionaire), Alexander Graham Bell (invented the telephone), Louis B. Mayer (Hollywood pioneer), Selman Waksman (cured tuberculosis), and Ralph Baer (invented the video game) are among the immigrants to America who would have been nobody in their home countries. What made America unique was not that some people could not vote, but that anybody could. More than 215 years after the Constitutional Convention, most people on the planet still do not have a right to vote.Our example served to topple regimes far from our shores. Pro-democracy activists don't quote the founding documents of Saudi Arabia or appropriate the cultural symbols of China. They cite passages from the Declaration of Independence and hoist replicas of the Statue of Liberty.This year, like 45 of the last 60, an American won a share of the Nobel Prize in the field of medicine. Americans cured polio and tuberculosis, developed vaccines for hepatitis B and yellow fever, pioneered modern chemotherapy, and produced the CAT scan and MRI. What's there to hate about that? Will Nigerian doctors make the blind see? Will Cambodians cure AIDS? Will Pakistanis eradicate cancer?NO because non-Westerners have had no discernable impact on modern medicine. The Soviet Empire ruled over Eastern Europe. The Ottoman Empire claimed dominion over vast stretches of the Islamic world. The Empire of the Sun sought dominion over the Orient. The American Empire rules...only Americans.the most powerful country in the world, yet it eschews imperialism. Instead, it has used its military might to liberate. Nazi Germany, North Korea, Soviet Russia, Hussein's Iraq, and Communist Vietnam are among the nefarious states we sought to prevent from increasing their totalitarian control over others. America made the first transatlantic flight, putting a man on the moon, breaking the speed of sound, constructing the Hoover Dam, and building the Panama Canal serve as testimony to American courage and ingenuity.In 2000, Americans gave more than $200 billion in charity, dwarfing the amount donated elsewhere. Since World War II. The U.S. government has given well in excess of $500 billion (not adjusted for inflation) in foreign aid. Last year, our government distributed more than $20 billion to 130 countries, who return our favor by burning U.S. flags and chanting "death to America"? The typical creator of wealth in the world is an American. Foreigners benefit from buying better products from American companies and working better jobs manufacturing such products. Americans have given the world motion pictures, the telephone, the television, the computer, the Internet, the airplane, the VCR, and a host of other machines and devices that have vastly improved the quality of life on the planet. Ironically, the terrorists who hate the U.S. give America a tacit endorsement every time they turn on a light, escape the heat through air conditioning, monitor their exploits on television or the internet, or communicate via telephone.
    At what point in history has American's flocked to other countries to escape tyrany?!During the hundred years ending in the 1920s, a majority of the world's immigrants came to one lone country: the United States. Just as those who complain about "oppression" in the U.S. would never entertain the idea of living anywhere else, the people around the world we allegedly oppress flock to come here. This contradiction between leftist theory and real-world practice illustrates just how delusional the central tenets of leftist thought really are.America is "the most culturally potent nation in the world." Even the virulent America-hater Saddam Hussein reportedly spent a good portion of his time watching American-made movies such as The Godfather and Enemy of the State.
    immigrantes confluunt ad hoc terra
    No we are not perfect but that's bible study and I doubt you would understand that either.
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  • DutchHe... rightagain 2012/04/23 05:35:44
    DutchHeretic Native non-American
    +1
    why is there no freedom FROM religion ??
  • rocat DutchHe... 2012/04/23 05:53:32
    rocat
    +3
    there is...
    despite you farting out your mouth-
  • DutchHe... rocat 2012/04/23 07:22:16
    DutchHeretic Native non-American
    No there isn't not even on paper... SHOW ME !

    When I see like in this video how atheist are being mistrusted bullied and lied about by you, American Christians I am glad I live in a country with REAL freedom ..
    By the way, thanks for your totally antisocial answer , really christian of you
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