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Executive Order challenge: fair or foul?

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Representative Steven King (R-IA) said on Friday that he would go to court to enjoin Obama's "DREAM Executive Order" from taking effect. Unless and until Congress
passes anything like the DREAM Act, Obama has no right to put it into
effect by Executive Order. So says
King. He also said he would challenge the President by himself, whether
anyone else in Congress joined him or not. (See stories in WND and Newsmax.)


King’s problem with this Executive Order goes far beyond what it does. No
President, nor any State Governor or other executive, has the power to
do what he pleases without checking with his respective legislature.
King said he would act


before Obama has a chance to do even more damage to the Constitution.


King has done this before. Then-Governor Tom Vilsack signed an
Executive Order in 1999, having to do with hiring discrimination in
State government offices. King sued him, and won. A judge said that
Vilsack exceeded his authority with that order. King will rely on his
experience in suing Obama. His lawyers are looking now into:


  1. Where to sue, and
  2. Whether he has standing.

This is the first time in recent memory that anyone in Congress has
challenged a Presidential Executive Order. Without challenges like this,
Presidents have for decades seemed to make new law with them and get
away with it. Now, at last, a court might decide whether a President may
do that, and how far he may go.

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  • Odinsown 2012/06/18 14:04:53
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    Odinsown
    +18
    Executive orders are the equivalent of the president saying "why? Because I said so!"

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  • apacheh... taitaFa... 2012/06/18 20:51:31
    apachehellfire65
    +2
    you forgot clinton.
  • taitaFa... apacheh... 2012/06/19 00:49:46
    taitaFalcon23
    That's right; the adventure in Bosnia was by EO
  • Red Branch taitaFa... 2012/06/19 03:21:30
    Red Branch
    Clinton had the permission of the Congressional leadership of both parties.
    If was a humanitarian mission.
  • Red Branch taitaFa... 2012/06/19 03:19:56
    Red Branch
    Explain to me how past wrongs allow for future wrongs.

    Not that I am acknowledging any wrongs by the 3 you listed.
  • voice_m... apacheh... 2012/06/18 19:05:28
    voice_matters
    libby can you show the crimes or just your hate?
  • apacheh... voice_m... 2012/06/19 00:59:58
    apachehellfire65
    +1
    now i'm smelling in here too. PEOPLE when you fart wave your hands or something! don't just let it hang here like this!
  • voice_m... apacheh... 2012/06/19 02:56:39 (edited)
  • Sheila 2012/06/18 17:36:40
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    Sheila
    +6
    Finally a member of congress who understands that the congress is being made obsolete by this administration. They use ex orders, the EPA, ANYTHING they can think of to make endruns on congress.

    In ancient Rome the congress was left in place when the republic ended to make the people more comfortable. So they would not really notice the new form of government. IMHO this is the plan here as well!! If they can get us to just not notice we are now being goverened by executive fiat and not the rule of law.
  • Biki~pw... Sheila 2012/06/18 18:25:54
    Biki~pwcm/potl~
    +2
    I'm afraid you may be correct.
  • Wahvlvke 2012/06/18 17:21:41
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    Wahvlvke
    +5
    Keep ripping that dictator wannabe a new one.
  • stormy rae 2012/06/18 17:18:29
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    stormy rae
    +6
    Everyone is getting sick and tired of Barry's dictatorial delusional reign of the U.S.A. finally, and with this representative challenging Barry's authority, it can only result in a snow ball effect where others do the same damn thing! Just like Indiana, they passed the law that allows citizens to shoot back at rogue police misusing their authority! THE PATRIOTS IN AMERICA ARE DONE LYING LIKE DOGS, BARRY WERE GONNA HAND YOUR ASS TO YOU, AND YOUR PINK SLIP WILL BE SENT WITH YOU FIRST CLASS TO KENYA TO ENSURE THERE IS NO DELAY IN YOUR FLIGHT, THAT IS IF THE OFFICIALS THAT HAND YOU YOUR ASS ON A PLATTER DONT AGREE TO YOUR PUBLIC EXECUTION OR AN EXTENDED PERMANENT STAY AT GUANTANAMO BAY!
  • golem48 2012/06/18 17:16:33
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    golem48
    +6
    0buttbongo thinks he is emporer..
  • Walt 2012/06/18 17:12:17
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    Walt
    +6
    If a method is not specifically Constitutional or fit within the bounds of the amendments, it has no place in our government.
  • ☆Warthog - PWCM - JLA☆ 2012/06/18 17:08:16
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    ☆Warthog - PWCM - JLA☆
    +6
    If the President governs by executive orders, then we don't need Congress. Then if we only have one man to govern us we are not a republic. And if that man decides by executive order that he does not need to be re-elected, we have become a dictatorship. At best a monarchy. Which this country fought against in 1776. Our Founding Fathers set up the 3 branchs of government to prevent any one person or group of people to get too much power. It's called checks and balances.

    This is sad how this Administration has by-passed Congress repeatedly and has attempted to strong arm the Surpreme Court. Chicago style politics on the national scale. 100% wrong.
  • Sam DePecan 2012/06/18 16:54:53
    Undecided
    Sam DePecan
    +4
    This Clown needs the VOTES; and he's going to get them one way or the other. As I see it; it's some kind of "Timing-effect" . . . When past Presidents "executed such orders" it was following discussions and Cabinet Meetings in which the formality was that recommendations were usually "presented across the table". This is obviously NOT the case; and there is no similar "Executive Order" motion as it might have been passed under former Administrations. This Clown is trying to turn the Illegal Aliens into "Southern Border Voting Booth Special Guests" to assist him in over-throwing everything that he possibly can at the Ballot Box. This might very well be another Solyndra type maneuver whereas he is actually using "Food Stamps" as opposed to 550,000 U. S. Dollars. That would make sense. Has Barnham & Bailey ever attempted to get ahold him in the White House? . . . Or perhaps at least drink some beer out in the Rose Garden, or some such?
  • Lerro D... Sam DeP... 2012/06/18 16:58:01
    Lerro DeHazel
    +5
    So, BH Obama should be shot from a cannon? . . . Or what? . . . LOL
  • Wahvlvke Lerro D... 2012/06/18 17:23:41
    Wahvlvke
    +3
    Snap, Crackle and Pop
  • jere.ch... Lerro D... 2012/06/18 18:44:19
    jere.chievres
    +3
    Careful there that could be consrtued as a threat.
  • Lerro D... jere.ch... 2012/06/18 19:32:03
    Lerro DeHazel
    +1
    Ha! Ha! Yeah, you can never know.
  • Sam DeP... Lerro D... 2012/06/18 19:34:54
    Sam DePecan
    +1
    Well, whatever Clowns do . . .
  • dvd 2012/06/18 16:49:05
  • Bozette 2012/06/18 16:48:18
    It's about time! Presidents have no power to govern by Executive Order. Not i...
    Bozette
    +10
    It is long past time someone challenged the scope of EOs. Presidents have been overstepping their Constitutional limitations for many, many years using EOs and NDs.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/18 19:11:10
    voice_matters
    libby if an eo oversteps the power of the president then the us congress can pass a law ending an eo. the supreme court can rule it unconstituional. problem is that this eo does not violate the constitution. the state department issues visas and they get to determine who gets them. no overstepping of the constitution has happened
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/06/18 20:40:46
    Bozette
    +3
    In the first place, I'm not a lib. In the second, presidents, congress and the judiciary have all been remiss in not keeping each other in check and have all overstepped their Constitutional limitations for a very long time. It has nothing to do with libs/cons or Dems/Reps...they have all been guilty. My comment neither singles out this EO or this president, in fact, it clearly does the opposite.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/18 20:48:57
    voice_matters
    first place you are a lib accordiong to your own comments

    second your comments show you are a lib. seeing that this eo does nothing to violate any law or section of the constitution.
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/06/18 21:00:32
    Bozette
    +2
    Cite a comment that shows me to be a lib...

    This EO bypasses something congress has already addressed, as well as existing laws, there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for a president to do that.

    Again, the use of EOs and NDs has been abused by both parties for decades and the three branches have done little to keep each other in check and all have overstepped their Constitutional limits.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/18 21:44:58
    voice_matters
    +1
    that shows you are a lib:
    It is long past time someone challenged the scope of EOs. Presidents have been overstepping their Constitutional limitations for many, many years using EOs and NDs.
    In the first place, I'm not a lib. In the second, presidents, congress and the judiciary have all been remiss in not keeping each other in check and have all overstepped their Constitutional limitations for a very long time. It has nothing to do with libs/cons or Dems/Reps...they have all been guilty. My comment neither singles out this EO or this president, in fact, it clearly does the opposite.
    This EO bypasses something congress has already addressed, as well as existing laws, there is nothing in the Constitution that allows for a president to do that.
    Again, the use of EOs and NDs has been abused by both parties for decades and the three branches have done little to keep each other in check and all have overstepped their Constitutional limits.

    now can you please stop acting like a lib and show how the eo violates any law or section of the constitution
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/06/21 10:37:57
    Bozette
    LOL Thank you for reposting all of my comments. You have cited nothing, however, that shows me to be a lib (as understood in today's politics)...classical liberal, but not by today's definition.

    Article II

    Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, ...






    LOL Thank you for reposting all of my comments. You have cited nothing, however, that shows me to be a lib (as understood in today's politics)...classical liberal, but not by today's definition.

    Article II

    Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their
    next Session.

    Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors
    and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.


    Hmmm...nothing there giving the POTUS the power to make law via EOs or NDs.
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  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/21 14:46:49
    voice_matters
    libby you asked what you had said that made you a lib. everything you have said proves you are a lib.

    thanks for another posting to show you are a lib. seeing libby no law has been made and you failed ot show the violation you did continue to show that you are a lib. when you can show a law was made come back and show me how it violates anything
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/06/21 20:26:20
    Bozette
    I need not show a law, I posted the pertinent portion of the Constitution which limits the powers of the government...including that of the president.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/22 13:57:08
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/06/24 23:26:33
    Bozette
    But he did "enact" law...not a power given to the executive brach....
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/06/24 23:55:33
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/07/08 13:46:32
    Bozette
    +1
    Since this poll was posted, it has come out that he did not issue an EO on this, but has ordered "prosecutorial discretion" on the issue. Effectively nullifying existing law.

    Both EOs that make law and presidential declared nullification of existing laws are an overreach of a president's Constitutional powers.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/07/08 23:23:30
    voice_matters
    libby please make up your mind eityher an eo was issued or it was not
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/07/08 23:42:20
    Bozette
    Do you have Google, Yahoo, Bing or some other search engine to look things up for yourself?

    It was initially reported that 0bama was issuing an EO on this, it was subsequently reported that he decided instead to ignore the law.
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/07/09 18:23:39
    voice_matters
    libby please make up your mind eityher an eo was issued or it was not
  • Bozette voice_m... 2012/07/14 01:54:47
  • voice_m... Bozette 2012/07/15 15:34:33
    voice_matters
    for not being able to make up you mind and you feel name calling is all you libs can offer you are blocked
  • Bozette Bozette 2012/07/17 13:09:37
    Bozette
    +1
    It has nothing to do with making up my mind, simply stating a fact.

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