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Ex-US Commander McChrystal Calls for Military Draft: Does America Need a Draft?

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Stanley McChrystal urged reinstatement of the draft -- forced military conscription -- to include a more diverse segment of America's population. The retired United States Army General ended his military career as Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A).

“We’ve never done an extended war with a professional army like this. We’ve got a very professional army, a volunteer army and professional reserve and they’ve done a lot. So we’re in uncharted territory,” said General McChrystal.

General McChrystal also suggested that a draft would widen the population that serves in the military. “I’m becoming a little bit more extreme on this each year. I think we need national service and I think you need it either at the conclusion of high school or university." America ended the draft in 1973 after its unpopularity during the Vietnam War.

General McChrystal resigned after a 2010 Rolling Stone magazine reported his mockery of Vice President Joe Biden and direct criticism of President Obama's military policies.

The Raw Story reports: The general, who was sacked in 2010 over a magazine profile in which he and his staff ridiculed top civilian leaders including the US president, said a new national service requirement could include a range of non-military activities.
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  • Doc. J 2012/07/15 15:01:03
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Doc. J
    +36
    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in un...











    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in uniform. And the military IS the sort of place where "one bad apple" can have a VERY detrimental impact.

    Hitler.......Hitler, or another like him is a fine reason to have a draft.

    "Diversity" is not.
    We are already about as diverse as it gets. We are people from ALL walks of life, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, philosophies, and points of the compass.
    So for every left handed Eskimo put into service for the sake of diversity that made a great Soldier, we would wind up with 20 who didn't want to be there.

    And if they don't want to be here, then I don't want them here either.

    -Doc J
    "Steel Medic One"
    Fires Sqadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
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  • joan.sloane 2012/07/17 18:56:09
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    joan.sloane
    +6
    I am absolutely against restarting the draft. However, if the draft is reenacted, I want to see the sons and daughters of every high ranking member of government, every war happy billionaire and other elites drafted into the military side by side with the children of us “commoners”. I want to see the duty of serving the country extended to every female right down to the foxhole. If any exceptions are allowed I would prefer to see them given to the poorest of the poor who need their children to be bread winners rather than the privileged children of the wealthy and influential. But most of all what America needs is to stop inventing bogus wars that do nothing but make money for a select group and bring heartache and devastation into the lives of ordinary citizens.
  • Zorkon joan.sl... 2012/07/18 02:19:12
    Zorkon
    Yes, if - and that's a BIG "if" - the draft is reinstated, the children of the uber-rich wealthy elite and of the politicians should be the first ones on the battlefield.
  • The Patriot 2012/07/17 18:49:42 (edited)
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    The Patriot
    +1
    Time we started to use a few of these before it's to late
  • CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY 2012/07/17 17:53:14
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    CUDDLY BUT STILL CRABBY
    +4
    McChrystal voted for Obama in 2008. That right there tells me he is a jerk.

    That said, yes it's time America re-instituted the draft, starting with all the kids of the politicians that lead us into conflicts and war. No deferments. Period,
  • tobe CUDDLY ... 2012/07/17 21:20:24
    tobe
    so that means obama and mcchrystal are gonna get thrown in that hat too?
  • Gordy 2012/07/17 17:38:53
  • Edie 2012/07/17 16:32:42
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    Edie
    +1
    Every woman and man should serve their country. When you know the price that others pay for your freedom that makes the difference in how you look at price paid for your freedom. Nobody should be President without having served their country. Obama has no idea what our military go thru and does not really care as long as he gets what he wants.
  • mobilsq Edie 2012/07/17 16:52:04
    mobilsq
    +3
    Firstly, freedom is an illusion. Secondly, we have never fought for freedom.
  • SEAL76 mobilsq 2012/07/18 13:59:28
    SEAL76
    I am not sure what you mean. The American Revolution, The Civil War, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, GWOT have all been about freedom. If you drive a car or use public transportation we are protecting the oil we so desperately need. What about the people who were forced to live under dictators and fanatical religious leaders that we helped?
  • mobilsq SEAL76 2012/07/18 17:10:15 (edited)
    mobilsq
    You mean all the people that were perfectly content until we started a coup and sold them weapons to murder their people. We put the violent dictators in power.Vietnam was not about freedom we lost we still have our supposed freedom. Korea was not about freedom no one won and we still have the same amount of freedom. The civil war had nothing to do with freedom it was about keeping the states together. We are stealing the oil we so desperately need. We only desperately need the oil because green energy is purposefully under funded and made to fail by oil companies. So i ask whose freedom, not mine not yours. Some guy in vietnam, his freedom? If he wants freedom he can represent himself.
  • Edie mobilsq 2012/07/18 21:50:51
    Edie
    Wow you are certainly not the true American that I was raised to be. My husband spent 28 yrs of his life to defend your freedom too bad you do not appreciate the sacrifice we made. I do feel sorry for you that you will never know the feeling of being an American that served their country like we did when we went to the Communist countries. You are so lucky however, you do not even know it.
  • mobilsq Edie 2012/07/18 23:27:32
    mobilsq
    Yes, I will never know how fantastic it feels to be so blissfully unaware of the truth. Oh how I long to be blinded by false notions of patriotism. Unfortunately, I have been made privy to the truth. You're husband never defended our freedom or anyone else's for that matter. We don't care about freeing other countries if we did we would be in Darfur or north korea not Iraq. We've killed more iraqi civilians than Hussein was ever capable of. We don't fight for freedom, we fight for power. You were raised to be a "true American", i'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, but here are some quotes. I'm pretty sure we can all agree these were true Americans.

    “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” -George Washington

    “We seek peace, knowing that peace is the climate of freedom.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower

    “The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.” -Thomas Jefferson

    “War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.” -George Orwell

    “It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.” -James Madison

    “No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. ” -James Madison

    “If Tyranny a...

















    Yes, I will never know how fantastic it feels to be so blissfully unaware of the truth. Oh how I long to be blinded by false notions of patriotism. Unfortunately, I have been made privy to the truth. You're husband never defended our freedom or anyone else's for that matter. We don't care about freeing other countries if we did we would be in Darfur or north korea not Iraq. We've killed more iraqi civilians than Hussein was ever capable of. We don't fight for freedom, we fight for power. You were raised to be a "true American", i'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, but here are some quotes. I'm pretty sure we can all agree these were true Americans.

    “Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.” -George Washington

    “We seek peace, knowing that peace is the climate of freedom.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower

    “The spirit of this country is totally adverse to a large military force.” -Thomas Jefferson

    “War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it.” -George Orwell

    “It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad.” -James Madison

    “No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. ” -James Madison

    “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James Madison

    “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” -James Madison

    “Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty.” -George Washington

    “I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower

    “People do not make wars; governments do.” -Ronald Reagan

    “No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country.” -Alexis de Tocqueville

    “All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.” -Alexis de Tocqueville

    “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today is my own government.” -Martin Luther King, Jr.

    “I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.” -Thomas Jefferson

    Who is the real American you or I. Being an American means asking questions having grit. You do neither.
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  • Edie mobilsq 2012/07/19 00:57:50
    Edie
    you are pathetic.
  • mobilsq Edie 2012/07/19 01:35:04
    mobilsq
    +1
    Sorry I made you cry.
  • tobe Edie 2012/07/17 21:15:34
    tobe
    so your a soldier?
  • TuringsChild 2012/07/17 16:31:04
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    TuringsChild
    +2
    Funny how that always seems to happen when Democrats are in office.

    Just sayin'.....
  • Greg Turings... 2012/07/17 19:59:43
    Greg
    +1
    Republicans would be crucified for suggesting it. If a liberal says it, somehow it is automatically compassionate and right, but if a conservative says it, somehow it is automatically mean-spirited and wrong.
  • Trish 2012/07/17 16:12:03
  • TheMayor 2012/07/17 16:01:48
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    TheMayor
    +2
    In hindsight, the short stint in the military was good for me and society in general. I learned some life stuff and how to be a responsible member of a greater unit than myself.

    In today's society young people in general are NOT guided to be a responsible member of a greater unit than themselves.
  • mrk5panzer 2012/07/17 15:59:00
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    mrk5panzer
    +2
    No way, I was part of the "draft military" back in the early 70's and I can tell you that people that are forced to serve make bad troops. what a nightmare and its the poor that always get drafted not the rich.
  • Edie mrk5panzer 2012/07/19 18:21:33
    Edie
    If we were poor we never knew it our parents were always there, we had food and clothing a decent home, schooling and most of all we knew what we owed our country for our freedom. Freedom is not free however, if you are willing to gives something to stay free you need to move to another country. I have live in many countries not one that did not automatically demand a certain amount of time be spent in military service.
  • mrk5panzer Edie 2012/07/19 23:38:03
    mrk5panzer
    Tell that to those who had their free pass( do not go serve if you come from a rich family or are in collage or have political ties) Lets not forget those who ran to Canada to hide from the draft back then.
    Yes it still stands that only the poor are drafted thats why we went to an All volunteer Military. Only those that want to serve join and it should say that way.
  • Gunner 2012/07/17 15:47:46
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Gunner
    +2
    First, I see no need for a draft. Second, having served myself I was always assured that my comrades wanted to be to my left and right. If someone was serving because he or she was drafted, I couldn't be confident of his/her devotion to service, especially when bullets were flying. Third, if a youngster chooses to seek a job, trade, or college education then he or she should be able to do that unfettered by worry over being drafted. Military service is not for everyone; thus, it should be left to those who choose to serve.

    The military is NOT grounds for social experimentation. McChrystal's statement that "...a draft would widen the population that serves in the military." reeks of such experimentation.
  • exhon2009 2012/07/17 15:35:45
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    exhon2009
    +2
    Not yet anyway. The all volunteer military is providing us with the finest military in the world.
  • Alexandra 2012/07/17 15:26:29
  • wpsark_BN_0 2012/07/17 15:26:21 (edited)
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    wpsark_BN_0
    +3
    Why waste tax $$ and military resources on soldiers who don't want to be there and are disgruntled about it...But I do think that if you want to work for the federal govt in any way shape or form, then you should have to have served in the military...
  • SEAL76 2012/07/17 15:26:07
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    SEAL76
    +2
    Of course. Doing a stint in the military is an eye opener and a great experience. I did a combat tour with SEAL TEAM ONE and never regretted it. Both my sons also served in the Navy. One was a SEAL the other an Aviation Ordnanceman.
  • Rob_Hoff SEAL76 2012/07/17 17:26:02
    Rob_Hoff
    Hey Seal76, fellow squid lol! 7 years on Das Boat for me, Torpedoman. The article leading this thread is misleading - I posted a link to the article the general actually wrote quite a few posts ago, good read. I agree though - there needs to be a national service
  • SEAL76 Rob_Hoff 2012/07/18 14:01:09
    SEAL76
    Hey good to hear from you. National Service should be a obligation. It might go a long way to whipping these lazy, you owe me a living kids into shape.
  • tobe SEAL76 2012/07/17 21:16:40
    tobe
    so peoples freedom of choice should be taken away and they should be forced to fight?
  • Bob 2012/07/17 15:24:07 (edited)
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Bob
    +1
    Why? There is only a need for a draft when absolutely needed. I served for the USAF for 22 years. If they draft
    their quality of service men and women would not be top notch: I feel with the economical times as bad as it is they maybe getting enough volunteers. Besides why are many being pushed out of the miltary?
  • keeper 2012/07/17 15:09:13
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    keeper
    +3
    I didn't like the draft when I was of draft age, and the "lottery" almost forced me into some form of government service. Mandatory draft is what lost civilizations used. No Conscription for the US!
  • Dawn 2012/07/17 15:01:40
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Dawn
    +2
    First it will create people who hate our country for drafting them and second it will train criminals (kids coming out of highschool who participate in gang activity but have yet to be caught) with military training.
  • SEAL76 Dawn 2012/07/18 14:02:08
    SEAL76
    They could always leave the country they hate so much.
  • Dawn SEAL76 2012/07/18 21:36:32
    Dawn
    But they won't.
  • Jimmy 2012/07/17 15:00:52 (edited)
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Jimmy
    The Draft is only necessary if one, there was an impending threat, and two if there wasn't enough volunteers. There hasn't been an impending threat to the US since the Cold War. If the US stop fighting a war that has no moral objectives, that doesn't defend the national security of our country, that was prompted up and perpetuated by special interest, a war that has zero interest of investing in soldiers security than treating them as expendable, one which has no empathy of human life of foreign civilians, a war that is a disdain and an embarrassment to our country.

    The courageous and naive fight, the wealthy and cowardly perpetuate, and the rest pray.
  • Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/07/17 14:56:49
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆
    +1
    The army *should* be professional. I don't imagine that any soldier wants men on his flanks nursing the "conscript" syndrome.

    Now the late Robert A. Heinlein came up with an interesting reform: make a minimum two-year term of service a prerequisite for voting. That says that you don't have to serve, but if you don't care to protect the country, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    Part of the Heinlein system, though, was approving a lot of jobs for the service requirement that are not, strictly speaking, military jobs. Field-testing cold-weather gear for our soldiers would be one example.
  • ZenerSix 2012/07/17 14:50:45 (edited)
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    ZenerSix
    +1
    As citizens, we are already soldiers. Some people are happy with the order and structure of military life but, it's not strictly necessary for an American to serve in the military in order to take up arms and defend their rights and their country. The draft is fascism. It undermines the very principles of liberty that American was founded on.
  • bluelady 2012/07/17 14:49:28
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    bluelady
    +1
    I think military service should be compuslory for ALL for a minimum of 2 years...if you dont want to fight (religoun, and you need to prove it) you can be trained as a nurse or medic
  • ZenerSix bluelady 2012/07/17 14:51:25 (edited)
    ZenerSix
    +1
    I'm a polite, educated, productive citizen and I'm as loyal to America as anyone can be. What if I object to the draft, would you have the police come and arrest me? Because then, I'd be taken to prison on your dime. Or, if I resist arrest, I'd be shot to death. Is that what you want, to see police rounding people up for the draft or hunting down and shooting them? You better double check your values and priorities, my friend.

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