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Ex-US Commander McChrystal Calls for Military Draft: Does America Need a Draft?

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Stanley McChrystal urged reinstatement of the draft -- forced military conscription -- to include a more diverse segment of America's population. The retired United States Army General ended his military career as Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A).

“We’ve never done an extended war with a professional army like this. We’ve got a very professional army, a volunteer army and professional reserve and they’ve done a lot. So we’re in uncharted territory,” said General McChrystal.

General McChrystal also suggested that a draft would widen the population that serves in the military. “I’m becoming a little bit more extreme on this each year. I think we need national service and I think you need it either at the conclusion of high school or university." America ended the draft in 1973 after its unpopularity during the Vietnam War.

General McChrystal resigned after a 2010 Rolling Stone magazine reported his mockery of Vice President Joe Biden and direct criticism of President Obama's military policies.

The Raw Story reports: The general, who was sacked in 2010 over a magazine profile in which he and his staff ridiculed top civilian leaders including the US president, said a new national service requirement could include a range of non-military activities.
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  • Doc. J 2012/07/15 15:01:03
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Doc. J
    +36
    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in un...











    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in uniform. And the military IS the sort of place where "one bad apple" can have a VERY detrimental impact.

    Hitler.......Hitler, or another like him is a fine reason to have a draft.

    "Diversity" is not.
    We are already about as diverse as it gets. We are people from ALL walks of life, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, philosophies, and points of the compass.
    So for every left handed Eskimo put into service for the sake of diversity that made a great Soldier, we would wind up with 20 who didn't want to be there.

    And if they don't want to be here, then I don't want them here either.

    -Doc J
    "Steel Medic One"
    Fires Sqadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
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  • Dweezle Anna 2012/07/15 18:58:14
    Dweezle
    +1
    Freedom is NOT Free! During the end of the draft 18 & 19 year olds were not drafted, the majority of drafted soldiers I served with were inducted at the ages of 22 thru 26. During WWI & WWII (as well as the Korean Conflict & Vietnam) many Americans disagreed with our participation in the wars, it would have been so convienient to say, "I do not agree with this war so I should be exempt from service" Give me a break. One requirement of citizenship in this great nation is a 4 year service commitment in time of war. That is why all 18 year old males are required to register with Selective Service.
  • Anna Dweezle 2012/07/15 19:12:26
    Anna
    If the world is again at risk like with the World Wars or if our country is under direct attack I would likely support a draft. If it's just a matter of politicians feeling butt hurt over a country or trying to get richer I say it should be enter at your own discretion. It doesn't take long for those dumb kids in my class to become 22 or 26. Age increases quickly, wisdom and dependability do not.
  • MadAsHEck Anna 2012/07/15 21:01:28
    MadAsHEck
    If our country is ever under attack, and the potential is growing greater every day, it will be too late for a draft.
  • Rob_Hoff 2012/07/15 15:03:30 (edited)
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    Rob_Hoff
    +2
    I believe the Raw Story version is misleading and possibly out of context - the link below is what he personally wrote last year and I am totally in agreement with General McChrystal in his views and like he points out in his article the military is but one option. What he is suggesting is a comprehensive national/international service as well, something like a combined Peace Corp/Civilian Conservation Corp and open to all age levels depending on ability - welfare and disability recipients should be required to do something in this system imho, this country is such a wreak ethically and culturally something truly needs to be done. We have whole cities where people are only aware of that small portion they live in and where their minds are shaped by that tiny radius, this is not a good scenario.

    But if we are talking purely a military draft then I concur with Ishmael's response - the American quest for full spectrum dominance is failing and the empire is crumbling, every American conflict since WW2 has been by manipulation and choice not need, Korea may be the exception.

    Another issue that I find disturbing over that last decade or so is the rise of private military contractors who receive salaries usually much in excess of our troops, currently I think the number in roughly...
    I believe the Raw Story version is misleading and possibly out of context - the link below is what he personally wrote last year and I am totally in agreement with General McChrystal in his views and like he points out in his article the military is but one option. What he is suggesting is a comprehensive national/international service as well, something like a combined Peace Corp/Civilian Conservation Corp and open to all age levels depending on ability - welfare and disability recipients should be required to do something in this system imho, this country is such a wreak ethically and culturally something truly needs to be done. We have whole cities where people are only aware of that small portion they live in and where their minds are shaped by that tiny radius, this is not a good scenario.

    But if we are talking purely a military draft then I concur with Ishmael's response - the American quest for full spectrum dominance is failing and the empire is crumbling, every American conflict since WW2 has been by manipulation and choice not need, Korea may be the exception.

    Another issue that I find disturbing over that last decade or so is the rise of private military contractors who receive salaries usually much in excess of our troops, currently I think the number in roughly 2:1 contractors to GI's, this is another place I see a national service functioning, could you imagine how vicious the likes of Dyncorp or Haliburton would lobby against something like this, huge saving to be realized here.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/...
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  • Doc. J 2012/07/15 15:01:03
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Doc. J
    +36
    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in un...











    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in uniform. And the military IS the sort of place where "one bad apple" can have a VERY detrimental impact.

    Hitler.......Hitler, or another like him is a fine reason to have a draft.

    "Diversity" is not.
    We are already about as diverse as it gets. We are people from ALL walks of life, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, philosophies, and points of the compass.
    So for every left handed Eskimo put into service for the sake of diversity that made a great Soldier, we would wind up with 20 who didn't want to be there.

    And if they don't want to be here, then I don't want them here either.

    -Doc J
    "Steel Medic One"
    Fires Sqadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
    (more)
  • Mr. T Doc. J 2012/07/15 15:39:03
    Mr. T
    +6
    Doc...this is spot on. Well done.
  • Doc. J Mr. T 2012/07/15 15:41:05
    Doc. J
    +8
    Thank you.
  • ConLibF... Mr. T 2012/07/16 23:37:43
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    Why don't you ask him if he would fire upon unarmed American civilians if given the order?
  • Ghost ConLibF... 2012/07/18 03:00:02 (edited)
  • Mog of War ConLibF... 2012/07/18 22:09:22
    Mog of War
    Why don't you ask him? Most soldiers surveyed voted no.
  • ConLibF... Mog of War 2012/07/18 22:41:01
    ConLibFraud
    I asked him not only here but in an entirely different poll where he posted he would follow orders. This guy is dangerous and has forsaken his oath and spits on his fellow citizens. LOOK AT WHAT HE POSTED! His fellow citizens are not good enough to stand next to him!!! We would be smart enough to not follow an order to shoot unarmed America citizens and he doesn't like that! He doesn't like people who can THINK and distinguish a treasonous order!!! He relates to brainwashed robots!!!

    I challenge all on this post ... We The People have lots our rights and the constitution is being threaded almost daily by the DC thug establishment who control the military. Anyone who disagrees with this is not packing a full deck and watches tooooooo much TV.

    I challenge the military ... you all took oaths to defend the constitution!!!!

    WHERE THE PHUCK ARE YOU!!!!
  • MadAsHEck Doc. J 2012/07/15 21:11:09 (edited)
    MadAsHEck
    +3
    Doc I have to agree with what you say to some extent.

    But during my time in the Military, as a senior enlisted person, it became my job to mold those under me into being good sailors. And in the 50's and 60's that included draftees. And I never feared that they could not be depended on, as I made it clear that we were a team, and depended on each other.

    As I'm sure you do with your troops as well. It's the mark of a good leader.

    BAck then if a draftee made it out of boot camp, they were well on the way to some self pride, and self disipline, making it much easier to ready them for whatever our mission was. Back then in the Navy, each Boot Camp Platoon began with about 135 Recruits. And the Basic process usually reduced that down to about 90-95 that made the grade. And if you made it through Boot Camp, you came out with a whole new outlook on life in general. I went in as an 18 year old spoiled brat, and came out of boot camp as an adult.
  • Rob_Hoff MadAsHEck 2012/07/15 22:43:23
    Rob_Hoff
    Seven year subvet here madasheck, right at the height of blind man's bluff. Truly loved the boats and being at sea. Cheers
  • Doc. J MadAsHEck 2012/07/15 23:19:49
    Doc. J
    +6
    Yes Mad it still works that way today too.
    But in the 50s and even 60s, you still had kids with a sense of duty as opposed to a sense of entitlement. Also they are less functionally mature than then.

    Nowadays with 40 being "the new 30" and 30 being "the new 20"....
    It makes 20 "the new 10".
    I'm sure you have yourself read the reports about how kids are staying with parents longer and longer - up into their 30s even.
    Compare that to your parent's/my grandparents (WW2 gen) who could and often did run the entire farm by age 14.

    Mind you, I am generalizing here, but sadly there is a whole new cultural dynamic in play now than there was then.
  • MadAsHEck Doc. J 2012/07/16 15:18:37
    MadAsHEck
    Thius is true! Most of my kids were back off and on till they were over 25.

    I was chomping at the bit to be on my own at age 14, and by age 17 was working and making a life for myself. When my Draft notice came, I did not even open it, but went straight to Navy Recruiting, and insisted on becoming an Airdale. The rest becomes history.

    But in my USO service, I see some of the young soldiers coming through, and they appear to be very squared away, and intelligent.
  • Doc. J MadAsHEck 2012/07/16 20:31:25
    Doc. J
    +6
    There are some who are.
    And that's why I haven't lost hope yet.
  • Mack Doc. J 2012/07/16 20:56:19
    Mack
    +4
    Again Doc, you are right on the money!
  • MlssCue... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:58:47
    MlssCue =Go Blue=
    +3
    I have a good friend who is 34, been serving for about 14 yrs & he is retiring next year because "he doesn't have the patience for the "immature, younger ones coming into service." That's similar to what you say about them being less mature now. Well said, on all of your points & thank you for your service & sacrifice!!!
  • Doc. J MlssCue... 2012/07/17 03:59:16
    Doc. J
    +2
    Thank you.
  • MlssCue... Doc. J 2012/07/17 04:16:43
    MlssCue =Go Blue=
    +2
    Very welcome.
  • Sgt Maj... MadAsHEck 2012/07/16 13:44:40
    Sgt Major B
    +3
    Have to agree...

    "But during my time in the Military, as a senior enlisted person, it became my job to mold those under me into being good sailors. And in the 50's and 60's that included draftees. And I never feared that they could not be depended on, as I made it clear that we were a team, and depended on each other."

    The draftees I trained and led had an attitude of 'this will be over in 24 months'.... and never really gave me much trouble. They did have what many of my fellow NCOs considered the annoying habit of asking 'Why?'. I was brought up to believe that when the question 'Why?' crops up and the only answer you have is 'Because CONARC says so!", it's time to re-think the requirement.

    In three tours in Viet Nam, I never had one let me down.
  • gregaj7 Doc. J 2012/07/16 00:57:41
    gregaj7
    +3
    A Thousand raves to you, Sir!
  • Doc. J gregaj7 2012/07/16 20:32:19
    Doc. J
    +4
    A thousand thanks in return.
  • Mack Doc. J 2012/07/16 20:55:39
    Mack
    +5
    Being a vet, I couldn't have said it better myself!
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/16 23:38:53
    ConLibFraud
    +1
    Does this include shooting unarmed American civilians if given the order?
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 02:35:03
    Doc. J
    +4
    Still trolling I see...
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 02:53:16
    ConLibFraud
    Chicken dodge and attempt to change the subject. Just answer the question hero. Will you shoot unarmed American civilians if given the order?
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 03:09:32
    Doc. J
    +5
    No, that would constitute an illegal order.
    And it was you that deviated rom the subject, unless this post was about illegal orders and I somehow missed it.
    Piss off.
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:17:06
    ConLibFraud
    Even if your commanding officer held a gun to your head and ordered you to shoot unarmed American citizens?
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 03:20:56
    Doc. J
    +5
    Darth Vader is not in the US Army....
    You may wish to check in with reality now and then.
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:27:23
    ConLibFraud
    Again a dodge ... what would you do?
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 03:28:22
    Doc. J
    +3
    I will not entertain your fantasies.
    We're done here.
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:31:24
    ConLibFraud
    If Darth Vader weren't in charge, the military would have given DC the finger a long time ago and come home to rescue their country and dumped anyone who gets in their way in the ocean on the way back. Looks like you are too close to the forest to see the trees and should be considered a very dangerous person.
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 03:33:02
    Doc. J
    +2
    Yup, done,
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:35:30
    ConLibFraud
    Thought you were a hero?
  • Doc. J ConLibF... 2012/07/17 03:48:54
    Doc. J
    +2
    Says who?
  • ConLibF... Doc. J 2012/07/17 03:53:00 (edited)
    ConLibFraud
    You think you are yet don't even know who is in your upper ranks.
  • MlssCue... ConLibF... 2012/07/17 04:06:19 (edited)
    MlssCue =Go Blue=
    +2
    Do you feel better about yourself now? If you are in CA like your profile states, then you should be thanking him for HIS duties, because of that, it gives your sorry ass the freedom to sit on the other side of that screen & try to put him down. People like you make me sick & don't have the right to be called an American!

    Every one I know that has served has done so in a humble manner but for me.....
    heroes don t wear capes
  • ConLibF... MlssCue... 2012/07/17 04:13:28
    ConLibFraud
    Thanks for the cheap shot. Has nothing to do with it. He comes here and takes a stance that only a chosen few are good enough to stand next to him. He is only afraid that he might stand next to someone who has the ability to think and resist an order to shoot and kill unarmed American citizens.

    If you have served, sorry for the phony wars that you were dragged into. This freedom thing is all talk? We have lost our freedoms and I don't see him or you doing a damn thing about it.
  • MlssCue... ConLibF... 2012/07/17 04:23:03
    MlssCue =Go Blue=
    +1
    Do you know me? I mean, are you incognito, and know who I am away from SH? No, of course not. So then how can you say anything about what I do or don't do? While you're pointing fingers, what is it that you do to change freedom? Is coming here & bashing those who serve in the military your answer to that? What do you suggest they do, everyone go on strike, lay down their weapons & sit here waiting....? And as for a cheap shot, there wasn't a cheap shot.

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