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Ex-US Commander McChrystal Calls for Military Draft: Does America Need a Draft?

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Stanley McChrystal urged reinstatement of the draft -- forced military conscription -- to include a more diverse segment of America's population. The retired United States Army General ended his military career as Commander, International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) and Commander, U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR-A).

“We’ve never done an extended war with a professional army like this. We’ve got a very professional army, a volunteer army and professional reserve and they’ve done a lot. So we’re in uncharted territory,” said General McChrystal.

General McChrystal also suggested that a draft would widen the population that serves in the military. “I’m becoming a little bit more extreme on this each year. I think we need national service and I think you need it either at the conclusion of high school or university." America ended the draft in 1973 after its unpopularity during the Vietnam War.

General McChrystal resigned after a 2010 Rolling Stone magazine reported his mockery of Vice President Joe Biden and direct criticism of President Obama's military policies.

The Raw Story reports: The general, who was sacked in 2010 over a magazine profile in which he and his staff ridiculed top civilian leaders including the US president, said a new national service requirement could include a range of non-military activities.
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  • Doc. J 2012/07/15 15:01:03
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Doc. J
    +36
    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in un...











    As a Soldier, I have spent the best part of a decade constantly striving to be a better and more professional Soldier. I have, throughout this time been surrounded by those like myself.
    For most of us, Soldiering is more than just a job where you get to play with automatic weapons in other countries now and then.
    It is a way of life.
    We take comfort, in when looking to our left and right, we see others with that same level of commitment. (the fakes weed themselves out)

    That male or female is here just as I, because they walked into a recruiter's office and said "This is what I WANT to do." Even with the expressed and implied risks.

    I'm sorry, but with deepest respect for the draftee armies that have served with distinction and nobility in the past, a draft would reduce my confidence in those around me.
    I'm a professional, I want professionals around me.

    For me it's less about the concept of a draft itself, and more a "no confidence" vote on the caliber of people we would end up putting in the ranks as a result.
    To be fair, there are some great young people out there who would (and do) step up and make fine Soldiers......But there are a whole hell of a lot of spoiled, undiciplined, self centered youngsters who hold no authority higher than themselves, who would wind up in uniform. And the military IS the sort of place where "one bad apple" can have a VERY detrimental impact.

    Hitler.......Hitler, or another like him is a fine reason to have a draft.

    "Diversity" is not.
    We are already about as diverse as it gets. We are people from ALL walks of life, religions, ethnicities, backgrounds, philosophies, and points of the compass.
    So for every left handed Eskimo put into service for the sake of diversity that made a great Soldier, we would wind up with 20 who didn't want to be there.

    And if they don't want to be here, then I don't want them here either.

    -Doc J
    "Steel Medic One"
    Fires Sqadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
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  • jere.ch... brian.s... 2012/07/18 20:38:35
    jere.chievres
    You are one sick puppy.
  • brian.s... jere.ch... 2012/08/07 22:40:13
    brian.southworth.921
    No! Our government is sick and doing a lot of crappy things in other parts of the world. But whatever, it's a repeat of british imperialism with its contact zones and the problems that go along with that. We set up the people that want to make wealth with us and call the rest of them heathens and terrorists. Same thing happened in Africa and India when England spread her holy commerce there. They worked with the people that wanted wealth and crapped on the rest. Sent troops to maintain the peace. Years later we got to witness apartheid in Africa. Oh wait? What's the name of the new jimmy carter book? We have apartheid again.
  • electricsheep 2012/07/16 20:21:00
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    electricsheep
    Conscription armies are of the worst quality and should only be used as a last resort. America currently has an all-volunteer military of committed professionals, which is as it SHOULD BE. A draft would hurt our military's readiness and drain taxpayer resources. A thousand times, NO.
  • lee electri... 2012/07/16 20:45:04
    lee
    +2
    there are not enough volunteers, that's why we have BACKWATER and HALLIBURTON fighting our wars for us.

    privatization of our military is making us WEAK.
  • Korgull lee 2012/07/16 23:42:05
    Korgull
    "privatization of our military is making us WEAK."

    Sh, sit down and shut up. That's Capitalism at work. Wouldn't want to criticize it, people may think you're a commie!
  • lee Korgull 2012/07/16 23:56:06
    lee
    +2
    they already do....
  • jere.ch... lee 2012/07/18 20:39:51
  • lee jere.ch... 2012/07/18 21:16:36
    lee
    think whatever you want... i'm sure you couldn't care less what i think of YOU either....
  • jere.ch... lee 2012/08/07 22:51:57
    jere.chievres
    You would be absolutely Correct on that one.
  • jere.ch... electri... 2012/08/07 22:49:52
    jere.chievres
    Well part of your "Handle" is correct "Sheep".
  • mblack 2012/07/16 20:19:55
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    mblack
    +1
    I would not call it a draft. Every American male should serve at least two years in the military though.
  • OneOfTheAmericanPeople 2012/07/16 20:19:39
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    OneOfTheAmericanPeople
    +3
    Hell yeah why cut the military in half when we should add
  • JohnT 2012/07/16 20:19:23
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    JohnT
    +3
    Most assuredly does. This way we can get these young folks that know so much some extra military knowledge on the real facts of life not the dorm room ones. I am all in favor of it.
  • Franklin 2012/07/16 20:06:18
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Franklin
    LOL...did you know that for every 10 soldiers Obama fires we can pay for 1 new public school teacher ! If we let him fire them all we can add 1 million teachers and that will make everything A-o-K !!!
  • jere.ch... Franklin 2012/07/18 20:41:20 (edited)
    jere.chievres
    Spoken like a HAAVAD man educated beyond your intelligence!
  • keliffa 2012/07/16 20:06:16
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    keliffa
    +1
    Enough of US troops being sent over seas to die for other countries. Let the UN create a large force from countries that recognize the UN as our 'moral leader'. All countries BUT the US.
  • BigFig#9 2012/07/16 20:05:10
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    BigFig#9
    +3
    Not necessarily military service but perhaps national service obligation of some type by the time you are 25. We need a smaller military however as as long as we have a large standing military politicians will find it too easy to put them to work as opposed to practicing statesmanship.
  • Man_Bear_Pig 2012/07/16 19:48:00
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    Man_Bear_Pig
    Hell no!!!!! Soldiers who don't want to be Soldiers have no discipline. Not to mention the human rights issue.
  • Kozmo 2012/07/16 17:42:17
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    Kozmo
    +2
    I joined the Militia voluntarily but think a summer's boot camp would be useful to most.
  • mac9 2012/07/16 15:09:19
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    mac9
    +4
    I would like to see these snivelling little bastards do something constructive like serve the country instead of thinking they are entitled for doing nothing.
  • Lady Wh... mac9 2012/07/16 22:36:29
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    Good point
  • BackWoodsMike 2012/07/16 02:24:49
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    BackWoodsMike
    +1
    Even though I joined (and was a crazy young kid that volunteered for SAR in Vietnam), I disagree with the good General (and some of my fellow Conservatives here).

    My only exception to my stand is if we are attacked, and even then we should have a volunteer Reserve and National Guard that can be called up on notice.. Draft as a last resort.

    The answer should be, don't elect Presidents like LBJ who mishandled Vietnam so bad that 500 to 1000 young Americans were getting murdered on the field of battle every month, and thousands more a month injured.

    Call me unpatriotic all you want, but this old Vet doesn't want to see young Americans forced to go to their deaths.

    God bless my Brothers who were Drafted, and served with Honor and Courage, but I would rather see a Military made up of people who were not forced to be there.
  • jere.ch... BackWoo... 2012/07/18 20:45:01
    jere.chievres
    If you remember we WERE ATTACKED 9-11-01 right? And we did not have enough troopers to handle it then and still don't, your logic is flawed.
  • BackWoo... jere.ch... 2012/07/19 00:43:27
    BackWoodsMike
    +1
    I remember my friend, and I also remember that the number of both young men and women who joined the Military increased and our Reserves and National Guard Units were activated, as per their Charter.

    As a Member of the American Legion we worked with the local men and women who were considering enlisting, and believe me my friend, there were no shortages here.

    If you are referring to the number of Military personnel prier to 9/11, it was low, not due to the fact that we didn't have a Draft, but because Clinton downsized them.

    I was proud to have served, and felt that it was my Honor to do so. I spilled blood in combat twice while serving in Vietnam on Search and Rescue. But, I am not of the mind set that just because I did it, doesn't mean everyone should.

    There are many ways of serving our Nation other than serving in the Military, and if someone decides that Military life isn't for them, then why should they join..
  • DFA 2012/07/16 01:39:11
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    DFA
    +2
    No thank you.
  • Denny 2012/07/16 01:05:59
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    Denny
    +2
    The really big difference is the fact that even in Viet Nam with as "unfair" as the draft was, we still only had to go once. Professional or not there is no reason for these wonderful people to go over more than the ever ready bunny. They are no longer vets, they're guard dogs waiting to be swatted with a rolled up newspaper.
  • gregaj7 2012/07/16 00:55:31
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    gregaj7
    Thanks be to Yahweh-God that the Marines 4-F'd me.
    hell no
  • Franklin gregaj7 2012/07/16 20:08:17
    Franklin
    +2
    yea good for you ...no telling what would have become of you if anyone had ever taught you any self control LOL
  • gregaj7 Franklin 2012/07/16 21:02:58
    gregaj7
    The Lord handled that Himself.
  • Franklin gregaj7 2012/07/17 14:03:52
    Franklin
    +1
    LOL- so your the one who was born "fully formed " ...-and the Dr screamed my god he is full of teeth .- Yea i read about you and your "lord" who once sat at the right hand of god ....
  • gregaj7 Franklin 2012/07/17 16:17:29
    gregaj7
    Still does.
  • jere.ch... Franklin 2012/07/18 20:48:42
    jere.chievres
    Since he has me blocked I will borrow a post to you to say I am glad he was 4F because with his attitude he would have lasted about 10 minutes in Viet Nam.
  • MichaelDillon 2012/07/16 00:40:39
    No, America doesn't need a draft.
    MichaelDillon
  • ghostrider 2012/07/16 00:29:36
    Yes, there should be a draft!
    ghostrider
    +3
    ONLY!! ... ONLY!!! ONLY if there is an impending invasion (not an 'attack upon') of the nation ... the Armed Forces need to be downsized to where they cannot be utilized and sacrificed uselessly -- as in virtually all instances since WWII.
  • Kozmo ghostrider 2012/07/16 17:45:49
    Kozmo
    +1
    Ias not "no standing army during peacetime' in your Constitution? But Today's zeitgeist is:
    "To have Peace, you must prepare for War". I was a Scout.
  • ghostrider Kozmo 2012/07/17 04:32:18
    ghostrider
    +1
    Admittedly, I'm not a constitutional scholar, however, I'm unaware of the "no standing army during peacetime" provision (Article) being in the constitution.

    I believe if politicians of all nations spent half as much time working towards peace as they do towards preparing for war there actually would be some eventual progress.
  • Kozmo ghostrider 2012/07/18 09:46:54
    Kozmo
    United States Constitution

    In the Bill of Rights, subjects were guaranteed that there would be no standing army in peacetime. This was done because of the expense of maintaining an ...

    www.global-dialog.org/democra...
  • ghostrider Kozmo 2012/07/19 02:38:13
    ghostrider
    +1
    the site states it's under revision ... I don't recall anything relevant in the Bill of Rights dealing with a standing army ... and, since the amendments deal with citizens' 'rights', reference to the absence of a standing army is not logical ... I may have forgotten a lot but something like that provision surely would stick in my mind ... if you have a clear/specific reference I'll gladly read it.
  • Kozmo ghostrider 2012/07/19 22:10:55
    Kozmo
    Unfortunately, the "progress" Humanity has made (since) has made this sentiment rather quaint but still conveys the concept of only holding a DEFENSIVE Army for Domestic Security, that might have sufficed if your Country hasn't been so persistent in dispatching (misguided) OFFENSIVE armies oversea over much of the last century, you've made plenty of enemies as a result.

    "You reap what you sow"

    The distribution of our little army to distant
    garrisons where hardly any other inhabitant
    is to be found is the most eligible arrangement
    of that perhaps necessary evil that can be contrived.
    --Albert Gallatin, 1802

    Gallatin’s sentence neatly summarizes the Jeffersonian concept of a peacetime military establishment. The tiny force of 3,300 men that Gallatin called "a perhaps necessary evil" was, in 1802, scattered along the new republic’s western frontier. In December 1801, President Jefferson's first annual message to Congress conceded the army's weakness, noting "for defence against invasion their number is as nothing." Far from being a source of consternation for the administration, this situation was exactly what Jefferson and his Cabinet wanted. Jefferson's message went on to state that he did not consider it "needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace." Inste...
    Unfortunately, the "progress" Humanity has made (since) has made this sentiment rather quaint but still conveys the concept of only holding a DEFENSIVE Army for Domestic Security, that might have sufficed if your Country hasn't been so persistent in dispatching (misguided) OFFENSIVE armies oversea over much of the last century, you've made plenty of enemies as a result.

    "You reap what you sow"

    The distribution of our little army to distant
    garrisons where hardly any other inhabitant
    is to be found is the most eligible arrangement
    of that perhaps necessary evil that can be contrived.
    --Albert Gallatin, 1802

    Gallatin’s sentence neatly summarizes the Jeffersonian concept of a peacetime military establishment. The tiny force of 3,300 men that Gallatin called "a perhaps necessary evil" was, in 1802, scattered along the new republic’s western frontier. In December 1801, President Jefferson's first annual message to Congress conceded the army's weakness, noting "for defence against invasion their number is as nothing." Far from being a source of consternation for the administration, this situation was exactly what Jefferson and his Cabinet wanted. Jefferson's message went on to state that he did not consider it "needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace." Instead, he recommended that the nation rely upon state militia as its first line of defense. In the unlikely event of a foreign invasion, Jefferson expected the militia to buy the necessary time for the nation to raise more substantial military forces. In peacetime, a small number of troops to garrison a few vital western posts would suffice.
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  • ghostrider Kozmo 2012/07/20 02:17:33
    ghostrider
    +1
    OK ... and I fully agree with that concept ... however, I think we can agree that it is not a part of the U.S. Constitution ... perhaps, it ought to be.

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