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Egypt President wrestles with army. Win or lose?

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Today the President, the People’s Assembly, and the Supreme Court had
a showdown. But the Army is surely watching. And on that showdown hangs
the future of Egypt and whether it will go to war again.


Morsi recalled
the People’s Assembly, thus openly defying the Court. The Assembly sat
for five minutes. But it also said it would get other legal opinions on
whether the Supreme Court acted properly last June.


The Supreme Court swiftly answered the President and Assembly. They ruled
that Morsi had no legal right to recall the Assembly. Several people
gathered in Liberation Square in Cairo to protest the ruling.


So now, as the Los Angeles Times said (even before the Court ruled today), the President and the Army are fighting for power. The Times
seems to think that the Army must be careful not to rile the people, or
Egypt’s treaty partners. The editors also said that this is only the
beginning.


Barack H. Obama, putative President of the US, doesn’t seem to want
to say out loud whom he wants to win this fight. Yesterday he said he
would meet Morsi at the White House this September, when the UN General
Assembly meets. Now (according to UPI) he says he’ll see Morsi at the UN.


Morsi has gone all-out, and is fighting to win. If he blinks before
the Army now, no one in the Middle East will take him seriously. The
world will know that he can threaten to break treaties and go to war all
he wants, but if the Army does not want to march, it will not march.


To win, Morsi will have to replace the commanding field marshal and
maybe every general with any real authority. The only questions then
will be:


  1. How fast will Egypt break its treaty with Israel? And:
  2. Can Morsi find a general who can succeed where Nasser’s and Sadat’s generals failed so miserably in 1967 and 1973?

So what say you? Will Morsi win his wrestling match with the Army? Or will he lose?

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  • Chi~Cat 2012/07/10 22:12:35
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    Chi~Cat
    +6
    Hmmmm, apparently he has a quagmire on ITs hands. What's Morsi going to do? Boom, boom, out go the lights.

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  • Walt 2012/07/12 21:16:56 (edited)
    Lose
    Walt
    +1
    Morsi is unwisely creating his own political problems, but it would be difficult for a radical extremist Muslim not to want to attack Israel. Peace goes against Islamic social programming and against their religion.
  • texasred 2012/07/11 21:17:11
    Undecided
    texasred
    +3
    I wish I knew. I don't have good feelings about this.
  • Philo-WHEREAREYOU,USA? 2012/07/11 13:35:06
    Undecided
    Philo-WHEREAREYOU,USA?
    +3
    Well, if Morsi gains/keeps the upper hand, jihad will be advanced - not a good thing for US and our allies; if the military gains the upper hand, there will be blood in the streets of Egypt, and the long-term stability of the entire region may be shaken.

    Can you say, "caught between a rock and a hard place?"

    Kinda like choosing who to vote for here in November...
  • Israel Philo-W... 2012/07/12 18:59:53
    Israel
    +2
    I think the arab nations are urging morsi to make peace with the millitary, and ensure Iran does not get nuclear capabilities. But with obalmy in the hot seat, they will.
  • Red Branch 2012/07/11 03:13:22 (edited)
    Win
    Red Branch
    +3
    I hope the army wins, they seem to be about a half step more civilized than the civilians.

    The bit about destroying the pyramids removed any doubt as who needs to go.

    Edit:
    I misread the question and chose the wrong answer and this time it happened without SH help.
  • jeepster4 2012/07/11 03:10:51
    Undecided
    jeepster4
    +1
    I'm convinced that the Arab Brotherhood that the extremists rail against doesn't exist anymore. The new Arab Brotherhood is made up of political realists as is the modern Egyptian army. I think the ultimate solution is probably more in line with what we have seen in Turkey, i.e. a slow march towards democratization under the rather firm guidance of the army.
  • Red Branch jeepster4 2012/07/11 03:20:39
    Red Branch
    +4
    That could be true, except there is no such creature as the Arab Brotherhood. So that means that you are convinced that you are wrong.

    The Turkish Army kept the country on an even secular keel in accordance with the Constitution created by Ataturk. Since the politicians have gained control, Turkey is becomings a supporter of Islamic terrs.

    There is no democracy in a Moslem world.
  • jeepster4 Red Branch 2012/07/11 05:15:56
    jeepster4
    Indonesia would probably find your comment about democracy in the Moslem world surprising, as would the CIA. https://www.cia.gov/library/p...
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/11 10:50:19
    Israel
    +3
    Indonesia is not democratic. They are killing Christians and burning down churches as we speak. It is an islamic state that is fast becoming unsafe for non-muslims, as it is everywhere islam is in control, or gaining control and are up and coming in favours lands.
  • jeepster4 Israel 2012/07/11 20:26:49
    jeepster4
    You and the CIA have a disagreement. Leave me out of it.
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/11 21:58:38 (edited)
    Israel
    It is not a disagreement. It is fact that it is not democratic. All islamic states are not democratic. Democratic and islam do not go together. muslims dispise democracies and freedom of speech. Shows how much you know, ..... not a lot. Numpty.
  • jeepster4 Israel 2012/07/11 23:08:30
    jeepster4
    I know that your bias can't be confused with facts. Democratic does not mean that the winner of elections will agree with you. Indonesia does have extremists as does the US.
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/12 18:58:02
    Israel
    I have no bias, love. I have personally been involved, just once, with a muslim male, never again. I learned my lesson. But I know many women stupidly get involved, and live or die to regret it. And no one has to agree with me, but that does not change the fact islamic states have no freedom or democracy. Go get an education on islam. Where did I say the winner of the elections have to agree with me. Maybe you should get new glasses. Indonesia, is an islamic state with sharia law, thus there is no other law and sharia law is not democratic, but theocratic. islam rules, that is it. islam is rotten to the core and undemocratic and anti-freedom of anything. Has nothing to do with extemists, islam is extreme.
  • jeepster4 Israel 2012/07/12 19:10:30
    jeepster4
    I have that education you speak of. I've had a security clearance. I don't depend on your personal experience or various right wing web sites for information. Extremist Christians have done more damage than extremist Muslims to our country. . Extremists are not a good thing...but thanks for your opinion.
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/12 19:54:02 (edited)
    Israel
    +1
    Not on islam no. Unless you have read the quran and hadiths and a few historiacal documents and reliable biographies, there is no education. Security clearance has nothing to do with it. I speak to ex muslims mainly, who really do know what they are talking about, so no right wing sites, and just because people criticise islam, rightly so, does not mean it is right wing opinions.

    As to your anology of islam and Christians, there is no anology. Christians no longer do bad things, no longer force convertion, no longer kill you if you leave, or convert to another religion, or if you marry a somene out side of the marriage, Christians do not burn, rape, slit your throat, stone women to death for rape, indoctrinate their children to hate non-believers, and learn how to kill using weapons, (e.g. AK47) do not carry out female genital mutiliation on children, do not honour kill their children, no forced marriages, no subjugation of women, no sex slaves, no marrying a girl or child for one night to rape them, before discarding them, no hanging gays/transgenders, no hanging for having modern dress or clothes, or for criticising the faith, no marrying children off, (not even at 5, as was the case in England)...... Yet, islam still does all these things and has done so since its inception in the mind of a mentally unstable, disturbed man.

    Honestly, there is no comparison.
  • jeepster4 Israel 2012/07/12 21:18:11
    jeepster4
    Some of those abortions that have been murdered may disagree with you on the wonderfulness of Christian extremists. My point is that ant extremist, left or right, is a danger to the rest of us. Your point, if I may paraphrase, is that the only extremists,
    that exist in this world, is any one that disagrees with you. In other words, your position is extremist.
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/12 21:29:48 (edited)
    Israel
    +1
    What are you babbling on about? Where did I mention abortions? Are you reading what I type or just answering whatever comes into your head? Abortion is between the mother and her doctor and nothing to do with you or anyone else. The mother has control over her body and it must stay that way. Keep out of her womb. What has christian extremists got to do with abortion?

    Honestly, I am beginning to think you are off your rocker. Your replies bare no resemblemce to what I have typed. And that is not my point at all. You just cannot debate at all. No clue. You just spout nonsense and make stuff up that was never said. You are not just extremmist but, nuts.

    I am going to find an adult now to have a sane conversation with. I shall let the men in the white coats know where you are so they can come and collect you in their white van and take you to a nice padded white cell where you will be able to talk to yourself, as that is all you have been doing all along here. Have fun.
  • Red Branch jeepster4 2012/07/11 14:04:47
    Red Branch
    +3
    I will clarify my statement to make things simple enough for a Mohammadan apologist.

    By Moslem world I meant those ruled by Mad Mollos who are attempting to set up a world caliphate.
    Indonesia does not fall into that category at this point, however, efforts by Indonesian Islamic terrs are attempting to do just that. These same Indonesian Islamic terrs are busy killing Christians, Animists, Pagans, and apostate & infidel Moslems.

    Indonesia was much more democratic when Suharto saw the need to kill several thousand Communists and Islamic terrs. The problem is that Suharto no longer runs things.

    The CIA definition of democracy does not apply to things in Indonesia.

    Democracy as you want you define it is that if the people elect some mass murdering psychopath and that mass murdering psychopath orders them to kill everyone who does not hold the same view as Islamic terrs seeking to establish a caliphate.

    BTW:
    I have no idea why you would think that I care what anyone in Indonesia thinks. I have no idea why you would think I would care what a CIA whose main objective is to make themselves the most homosexual friendly organization 2d only to the GLBT deviants and I think I missed the initial for a group of degenerates.
  • jimmy Red Branch 2012/07/11 13:06:08
    jimmy
    +2
    so true there ideology is to defeat democracy
  • Israel jeepster4 2012/07/11 10:48:47
    Israel
    +3
    It is the muslim brotherhood and they are nasty. Subhuman, well not really human at all. They will ensure women are enslaved, no education, make female genital mutilation is mandatory, are bringing back slave-marriage, men having sex with dead wives six hours after death, yes nechrophillia is alive and well, forced marriage, no prosecution for men who rape women or children...... there will be no democracy with the MB. They will also destroy tourism, take down the pyramids......... The army might be a little better and that is better than the alternative.
  • tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA 2012/07/11 01:36:29
    Lose
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +3
    I think things could really messy, really fast in Egypt.
  • Louisa - Enemy of the State 2012/07/11 00:33:01
    Undecided
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +2
    I'm thoroughly confused. I spent two weeks in Cairo and I loved everybody that I met! And that was dozens of men. Never really talked to any women. Anyway, they had this terrific sense of humor, they were patient and just so much fun.

    Then there was that protest in Tahrir Square and they sure didn't look like the same people! They even raped women in that Square. Then everybody voted for Muslim candidates and I understood that but now they want to destroy the Great Pyramids and possibly start a civil war.

    What happened to those fun people I met? They were Muslims for sure but they seemed very happy in our 'westernized' presence.

    Whatever, it isn't OUR problem and I sure hope we stay out of it.
  • Israel Louisa ... 2012/07/11 10:53:16
    Israel
    +3
    But is is our problem, because it will affect us all. if egypt goes after Israel, there will be a nuclear war, as Israel will defend itself. It will have an influence everywhere.

    You also seem to have forgotten the age old system of taqiyya of lying and decietfulness, that is why they were nice to your face, as all muslims are, but behind your bath that hatred is still there that was there when they smiled to your face.
  • Louisa ... Israel 2012/07/11 14:19:37
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    But if Egypt is OUR problem, it's also the problem of France, the UK, Australia, Canada, Germany et al. Usually the US is left holding the bag and the price tag. Let the US be the very last country to be drawn in.

    And no, I didn't forget Taqiyya and kitman..............but You DO know when you are having a genuinely good time. Now I DID ask one of the guys if he would hurt me and he said he would kill me if ordered to. But then he was a head banger and I would have expected that. I DO believe that Egyptians like to laugh and get it on even if you happen to have your body buried up to your chest!
  • Israel Louisa ... 2012/07/11 19:41:35
    Israel
    +1
    Egypt is everyone's problem. If it goes bad, it will effect us all. They will go after Israel, and if they win, Europe and America are next.
    You mean Egyptian copts? They are the real Egyptians and truly lovely people. Arab Egyptians, are not.
  • Louisa ... Israel 2012/07/11 19:47:39
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    That's right. But I still stand by my statement that we cannot fight in the Middle East unless we are joined by the other free nations and they share the cost. We have jumped into too many situations where we ended up being despised and everyone else turned their backs on us.

    I don't care about a nuclear conflagration in the Middle East. Actually, I would welcome it. That part of the world needs to be wiped out because there is nothing good there. It's filled with violence and hatred. I don't believe in god but if I did, I would say even he destroyed nations because of their decadence. I would rather live with a a measure of radioactivity than terrorism.
  • Israel Louisa ... 2012/07/11 22:00:37
    Israel
    +1
    Trouble is friend, Israel is in the middle of arab nations............
  • Louisa ... Israel 2012/07/11 22:03:13
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    Yes, but France, the UK etc are in the general area. The US is half way around the world (lol unless you go over the top!)
  • Israel Louisa ... 2012/07/11 22:06:48
    Israel
    +1
    Well exactly. Rather difficult.
  • Red Branch Louisa ... 2012/07/11 14:07:21
    Red Branch
    +3
    Yes, we need to stay out of it until they decide to export their Islamic terrorism in our direction.
    At which point we need to carpet bomb them to Hell.
  • Louisa ... Red Branch 2012/07/11 14:24:00
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    As I told Elizabeth, I'm not adverse to using force on wayward nations, BUT I want us to be the ones who enter the foray last! And I would want to be guaranteed by other countries that they would SHARE the cost of conflagration as well as the moral blame.

    But we're only fanning the flames unless we go after Islam to destroy it. You can only live with cancer for so long before it gets you.
  • Red Branch Louisa ... 2012/07/11 14:44:47
    Red Branch
    +1
    I do not want us in a fray unless their is a direct threat to us and at that point, I do not care if we are the only ones going into action.
    We had no business in Libya. We have no business in Syria.
    I do not care how many people get killed on either side. Right now Syria is in an ideal position. That being they are killing each other and leaving decent folks alone.

    We need to stay out of frays unless we intend to win and by that I mean let our guys fight like they did in WWII and I do not necessarily mean nukes unless they are about to nuke us.

    I really do not care about being on the receiving end of so called moral blame. If we have been attacked, destroy them. Yes, the European Union (aka NATO) needs to clean up its act and build up a respectable military instead of us picking up the tab as we did in Libya.

    There were a few warnings in the latter 1800s and early 1900s about the rising threat coming from Islam. For some reason, Liberal white guilt, in the latter 1900s and early 2000s, our leadership pretends that Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance.
  • Israel Louisa ... 2012/07/11 19:42:49
    Israel
    +1
    I would like to put them all in one place, then press the button.
  • Louisa ... Israel 2012/07/11 22:04:18
    Louisa - Enemy of the State
    +1
    Me too. Islam is truly evil.
  • Israel Red Branch 2012/07/11 19:42:07
    Israel
    They already have exported it to America.
  • Red_Horse 2012/07/11 00:10:33
  • Carl 2012/07/11 00:00:36
    Lose
    Carl
    +4
    The elected President wants to break the treaty with Israel and then attack the country; displace or kill all non-Muslims; go back to 6th century theocracy practices; promises to eliminate the west. Hopefully, the army will stop this crazy man.
  • dasimon1 2012/07/10 23:33:09
    Lose
    dasimon1
    +5
    I hope his loses. If he gains control of that army he will go after Israel.Muslim Brotherhood is a bunch of terrorists any how .,The Turdly Obama gave them 1.5 billion dollars of our money to win that election. i think obama has a deal with them to take out Israel. But ya know what....they couldn't beat Israel on a bet !
  • Icono1 2012/07/10 23:24:13
    Lose
    Icono1
    +3
    He and his brotherhood friends can lose this one real quick.

    If he is angling for a civil war with a populist uprising that would work in the brotherhoods favor he could be onto something. However, Egypt is not Libya and Syria so he could be miscalculating his relative position in the political totem pole that is Egypt.
  • jean 2012/07/10 22:38:30
    Lose
    jean
    +3
    Might makes right in Egypt.

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