Education reform: stay in the system, or work around it?

by Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ Posted 2012/06/12 22:50:40

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	Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.	31 votes	53%
	Stay in the system. Mend it; don't end it.	12 votes	20%
	The system is just find the way it is!	0 votes	0%
	Undecided	16 votes	27%

From the Department of Education in 1979, to the No Child Left Behind Act of the Bush administration: Nothing has worked! Why go hat-in-hand to the government? How has that worked out for our nation's kids?

Don't try to fight the system anymore. Go around it! Even voucher schemes leave the same sick school system in place. That will change nothing.

But maybe these seven proposals will:

A co-op of home schoolers;
Church-based schools that are eligible for tax deductible donations;
Independent schools that are also eligible for tax deductible donations;
Alternative unions (alternatives to the NEA, AFT, UFT, and all that other alphabet soup) that teachers can join.
Unions that offer choices for Conservative teachers – empowering the
Conservative unions similar to the liberal ones extant today;
A new advocacy group to call for higher academic standards for public schools;
Link up with sympathetic legislators, to find common ground and come up with proposals that actually work, and:
Demand higher standards for those entering the teaching profession. No more "those who can, do; those who can't teach." (And those who don't even know how to teach, scribble!) Why not the best as instructors? (Or at least, make sure that the instructors know the material!)

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Always Right 2012/06/12 23:54:04

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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More competition and less government intervention!
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William 2012/06/13 03:41:26

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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There are plenty of free shared resources that can be used for home or community schooling. Why send perfectly good children to dangerous and abusive institutions when there are available alternatives (Rhetorical)?

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KrSpo to William 2012/06/13 15:21:02

Well, there is the social impact. I home-schooled one for 2 years, and just completed the third year with the youngest. Regrettably, the older one is stunted socially and that is dangerous as well.

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redhorse29 2012/06/13 02:17:33

Undecided

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The Department of Education is a failure because it long ago over reached its purpose and scope to become a political and social engineering agency. Its goal is not to educate and encourage creativity and thinking independent young adults. It is concerned with drugging children and producing obedient dull and robots willing to accept failure and be wards of a nanny state.

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Nancy~PWCM~JLA~POTL 2012/06/13 01:33:41

Undecided

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tenure is an issue. Bad teachers stay and get paid regardless if they are doing a good job or not . I prefer Charter schools. Teach the basics as remembered it in grade school and the rest is politics gone wild in the system

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Chi~Cat 2012/06/13 01:32:48

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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Work on the parents.

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Cliff 2012/06/13 01:17:51

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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It must be forced to compete in the marketplace or remain a failure.

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TheTailor 2012/06/13 01:00:21

Undecided

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Oops, work around the system.

Block grant the money back to the states.

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Beccy 2012/06/13 00:32:47

Undecided

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Lets start with the child's first teacher the parents. Don't do drugs while you are having your kids because that will affect their ability to learn. Feed them healthy food. Read to them, color with them play little learning games with them. Get them to school, be involved in their school experience. Be a good role model and teach them how to behave in public. If that don't work lets attack the teachers.

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Rodney 2012/06/13 00:32:10

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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The system is horribly flawed and no amount of tinkering is going to repair it. As we have all witnessed with all of government, they screw it up and then tinker with it in hopes of stumbling upon the fix (like that ever happens). Scrap it and let free enterprise take over.

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will 2012/06/13 00:28:13

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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As long as bureaucrats have control it will always have trouble

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Hidden Noname 2012/06/13 00:07:55

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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Charter schools

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Icono1 2012/06/13 00:04:47

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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Since education is mandatory in our society I say empower the parents to seek the type of educational environment that they feel is best suited to meet the expectations of the child and or the family.

If a child wants to socialize, then public education is the ticket.

Yet if the child wants to progress in a rigorous way into a tier one school, then private schools may the the venue of choice.

If parents want a good Christian social environment and a solid educational atmosphere there are several 'church schools' that would work well in any community.

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Oaces_boss_yo® 2012/06/13 00:02:53
Murph 65 2012/06/12 23:55:12

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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Your seven proposals sound like a very good starting place.

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Always Right 2012/06/12 23:54:04

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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More competition and less government intervention!

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RageFury 2012/06/12 23:53:19

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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That said remove the Fed Gov from the picture and then IMOP it could be reformed. Until that happens I seriously doubt anything can be done to fix it.

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NarcolepticGoat 2012/06/12 23:19:23

Undecided

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I'm only in favor of vouchers for kids who have reached grade 9 or so who want to continue on in a vo-tech school

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Beccy to Narcole... 2012/06/13 00:35:41

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You are right we need more tech training. No all kids are college material. And not all kids who are college material can do tech jobs.

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j2 2012/06/12 23:01:05

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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Don't put kids in a broken school. Usually in most communities there is one decent public school. Put your kids in that one, home school or send them to boarding school (or relatives in a community where there is a decent school).

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Temlakos~POTL~PWCM~JLA~☆ 2012/06/12 22:53:24

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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You cannot hope to work without this system. Everything in it is too entrenched.

For awhile, it's going to mean paying twice: once for the system you use, and again for the system you don't use. But the idea is to get those kids out of there *now.*

Click through to the main article. It's worth it.

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WhereIsAmerica? ~PWCM~JLA 2012/06/12 22:52:09

Work around the system. It won't reform as long as the kids keep coming back.

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For Parents in communities where their kids can't get a decent education, why ruin their lives?

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