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The Education Blob

John Stossel

Since progressives want government to run health care, let's look at what government management did to K-12 education. While most every other service in life has gotten better and cheaper, American education remains stagnant.

Spending has tripled! Why no improvement? Because K-12 education is a virtual government monopoly -- and monopolies don't improve.

In every other sector of the economy, market competition forces providers to improve constantly. It's why most things get better --often cheaper, too (except when government interferes, as in health care).

Politicians claim that education and health care are different -- too important to leave to market competition. Patients and parents aren't real consumers because they don't have the expertise to know which hospital or school is best. That's why they must be centrally planned by government "experts."

Those experts have been in charge for years. School reformers call them the "Blob." Jeanne Allen of the Center for Education Reform says that attempts to improve the government monopoly have run "smack into federations, alliances, departments, councils, boards, commissions, panels, herds, flocks and convoys that make up the education industrial complex, or the Blob. Taken individually, they were frustrating enough, each with its own bureaucracy, but taken as a whole they were (and are) maddening in their resistance to change. Not really a wall -- they always talk about change -- but more like quicksand, or a tar pit where ideas slowly sink."

The Blob claims teachers are underpaid. But today American teachers average more than $50,000 a year. Teachers' hourly wages exceed what most architects, accountants and nurses make.

The Blob constantly demands more money, but tripling spending and vastly increasing the ratio of staff to student have brought no improvement. When the Blob is in control, waste and indifference live on and on.

The Blob claims that public education is "the great equalizer." Rich and poor and different races mix and learn together. It's a beautiful concept. But it is a lie. Rich parents buy homes in neighborhoods with better schools.

As a result, public -- I mean, government--schools are now more racially segregated than private schools. One survey found that public schools were significantly more likely to be almost entirely white or entirely minority. Another found that at private schools, students of different races were more likely to sit together.

The Blob's most powerful argument is that poor people need government-run schools. How could poor people possibly afford tuition?

Well, consider some truly destitute places. James Tooley spends most of his time in the poorest parts of Africa, India and China. Those countries copied America's "free public education," and Tooley wanted to see how that's worked out. What he learned is that in India and China, where kids outperform American kids on tests, it's not because they attend the government's free schools. Government schools are horrible. So even in the worst slums, parents try to send their kids to private, for-profit schools.

How can the world's poorest people afford tuition? And why would they pay for what their governments offer for free?

Tooley says parents with meager resources still sacrifice to send their kids to private schools because the private owner does something that's virtually impossible in government schools: replace teachers who do not teach. Government teachers in India and Africa have jobs for life, just like American teachers. Many sleep on the job. Some don't even show up for work.

As a result, says Tooley, "the majority of (poor) schoolchildren are in private school." Even small villages have as many as six private schools, "and these schools outperform government schools at a fraction of the teacher cost."

As in America, government officials in those countries scoff at private schools and parents who choose them. A woman who runs government schools in Nigeria calls such parents "ignoramuses." They aren't -- and thanks to competition, their children won't be, either.

Low-income Americans are far richer than the poor people of China, India and Africa. So if competitive private education can work in Beijing, Calcutta and Nairobi, it can work in the United States.

We just need to get around the Blob.
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  • Monty 2012/08/14 13:24:37
    I see your point.
    Monty
    have local people run the schools
  • bob 2012/07/10 20:59:37
    Wrong!
    bob
    +1
    Public education means a separation of church and state.
  • Odinsown bob 2012/07/10 22:04:59
    Odinsown
    You can still have a separation of church and state with private education.
  • The Duke 2012/07/08 19:16:09
    I see your point.
    The Duke
    I received ALL of my 1-12 grade education in private (Catholic) schools, and consider my education to have been noticeably better (from comparisons with my cousins, who attended public schools). They were not for profit, however, and the teachers were almost exclusively nuns (elementary school) and Christian Brothers (high school), and were supported by their respective parishes, dioceses, and religious orders.

    Although present parochial schools have mostly lay teachers and are CONSIDERABLY more expensive, they still do an excellent job of educating their students.

    I definitely think the idea of privatization could have considerable merit. The government running anything well is the marked exception rather than the rule.
  • Odinsown The Duke 2012/07/08 20:32:00
    Odinsown
    +1
    I concur
  • Wolf 2012/07/08 17:54:13
    i think...
    Wolf
    +1
    Put %-12 Grades into Virtual Schools...that cost less than $4000 per student annually and would provide every student access to the subject matter access and provide thousands of non-repeating exercises to measure real progress continuously and automatically provide reinforcement and refreshing of concepts...this is the 21st Century school system ...that eliminates the dysfunctional bureaucracy that serves the millions of so called administrators and teachers but not the children...K-4 can get additional Virtual School supplemental learning instructions...the waste, over staffing, over compensation and millionaire pension fraud is wasting billions in taxpayer dollars for no purpose other than the members of this dysfunctional system....private and parochial schools offer an excellent education at $4000 per child that outperforms the much more expensive public sector system...
  • Odinsown Wolf 2012/07/08 20:33:00
    Odinsown
    Interesting point.
  • Metaldane 2012/07/08 17:46:22
    i think...
    Metaldane
    No thanks I'm more for the Scandinavian model on education.
  • Odinsown Metaldane 2012/07/08 18:03:26
    Odinsown
    Enlighten me please?
  • Metaldane Odinsown 2012/07/08 18:27:49
    Metaldane
    Well for me I mean Denmark in particular though the other two have many similarities. In Denmark they have public and private schools at the primary level (for us that'd be elementary-highschool and that is compulsory and usually ends around the age of 16, secondary (college) is handled much differently from ours. The gov actually runs their own colleges and it's free for all citizens of Denmark, and most other European countries an also most Danish citizens are paid monthly to go to college not just eligible for help paying costs.

    The Education Index, published with the UN's Human Development Index in 2008, based on data from 2006, listed Denmark as 0.993, amongst the highest in the world, tied for first with Australia, Finland and New Zealand and they're still amongst the highest.
  • Odinsown Metaldane 2012/07/08 20:25:41
    Odinsown
    Interestinf
  • Metaldane Odinsown 2012/07/08 20:31:56
    Metaldane
    Yea my theory is that the reason our system not just education but the entire system is so screwed up now is actually quite simple. It's because liberals and cons share power too equally I've noticed most of the countries best off right now are mostly very liberal or very conservative so until we switch to onehaving more of a majority many thing just won't get done or they'll get done but not well.
  • Rebel Yell 2012/07/08 17:25:12
    i think...
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    One in five in this country are food insecure, so how would they pay for their kids' educations?

    Many people think the Post Office should just fold and disappear. Do that and watch how fast Fex Ex will quadruple their rates. Ditto for privatizing education.
  • Odinsown Rebel Yell 2012/07/08 17:36:48 (edited)
    Odinsown
    Studies show that the market works opposite that point of view. Studies show that competition brings down prices, and improves not only diversity but also innovation. If we privatized shipping completely FedEx would have to keep prices low to be able to compete with any mom and pop shipping companies that started up, same with schools.

    Also if destitute parents in Africa can sacrifice to send their kids to private schools, are American poor people selfish or just dumb?
  • Rebel Yell Odinsown 2012/07/08 17:56:02
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    Not all Africans do so. That is why Oprah spent all that money to build schools for girls, who previously had no education. Jimmy Carter brought water wells to villages so girls could go to school. Before, they stayed home and walked several miles every day to the nearest public wells; their job was to bring home jugs for their families.

    In rural America, buses often travel several miles to pick up farm kids. You think their parents will drive them to school and back every day? Why would anyone invest in a school in rural Mississippi or West Texas where you can drive 80 miles before seeing another vehicle? You think someone will invest in schools in the barrios?

    Competition brings down prices when there is an abundance of it. Usually when that happens, someone is driven out of business. You can lower prices just so much to stay afloat.
  • Odinsown Rebel Yell 2012/07/08 20:28:44
    Odinsown
    I do think both the barios and the rural communities would invest in schools, and private does not have to mean for profit, this country is full of charitable people, maybe bill gates will open an urban school, or the ffa will open rural schools. I think the American people deserve the benefit of the doubt.
  • Alvin 2012/07/08 17:10:15
    i think...
    Alvin
    +1
    Once I got to the line: "education is a virtual government monopoly -- and monopolies don't improve." I realized that reading the rest of this screed would be a waste of valuable time.
  • Odinsown Alvin 2012/07/08 17:10:50
    Odinsown
    How so?
  • Alvin Odinsown 2012/07/08 17:57:25
    Alvin
    +1
    Monopolies not only improve, they get stronger and more entrenched. Look at OPEC, AT&T IT&T, Exxon-Mobil.
    Besides, there is not a monopoly in education. Look at the number of private schools, charter schools, religious schools and specialized schools available in this country. If you star out with dubious premises, why continue to read.
  • Odinsown Alvin 2012/07/08 20:31:05
    Odinsown
    +1
    Ah, I see what you are saying. I believe mister stossel was saying that in a monopoly the business has no need to improve quality or service. The government does have a monopoly of sorts, 90% of students attend publicly funded schools.
  • superangrymonkey 2012/07/08 17:09:30
    I see your point.
    superangrymonkey
    +1
    This one.
  • Odinsown superan... 2012/07/08 17:10:22
    Odinsown
    Thanks for reading.
  • TheCouchF*cker 2012/07/08 16:19:39
    i think...
    TheCouchF*cker
    +1
    I very much approve of this idea. In fact, I would immediately start a private high school.
  • Odinsown TheCouc... 2012/07/08 16:22:34
    Odinsown
    I agree.
  • Sister Jean 2012/07/08 16:15:43
    i think...
    Sister Jean
    +1
    could no afford it
  • Odinsown Sister ... 2012/07/08 16:22:09
    Odinsown
    What if your tax burden was lowered? What cost would make of affordable?
  • Sister ... Odinsown 2012/07/08 16:24:41
    Sister Jean
    +1
    most teachers expect $50,000 for 180 days Catholic schools have to charge big tuition as no nuns in most schools
  • Odinsown Sister ... 2012/07/08 16:25:26
    Odinsown
    But what cost would make it affordable for you?
  • Sister ... Odinsown 2012/07/08 16:37:06
    Sister Jean
    +1
    got all day?
  • Odinsown Sister ... 2012/07/08 16:54:23
    Odinsown
    +1
    You don't just have a number you can throw out?
  • Sister ... Odinsown 2012/07/08 16:56:43
    Sister Jean
    +1
    no it's a huge system involving thousands...not just teachers
  • Odinsown Sister ... 2012/07/08 17:09:10
    Odinsown
    But my question is specifically what YOU want or could afford to pay. If we establish a fair market price for education based on what people can afford, then we can start to alter the system to fit the needs of the people.
  • I. Car Rus 2012/07/08 16:11:47
    Wrong!
    I. Car Rus
    +1
    Privatize it but still require it? I see money being made, not unlike forced healthcare. You must pay a private company or individual to educate your child: MUST.
  • TheCouc... I. Car Rus 2012/07/08 16:20:40
    TheCouchF*cker
    +2
    Mandates are wrong no matter what people are being told to do. It's no different from having a gun stuck to your head.
  • Odinsown I. Car Rus 2012/07/08 16:20:51
    Odinsown
    +2
    I don't think is was saying to require it, I think his point was that it would work, even without being forced on people. I am for education, but against compulsion.

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