"EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016 U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans" Do you see this as something that can or will happen?

To myself, "civil war" is a misnomer. There is no way to draw a battleline between North vs South, Red States vs Blue, black vs white, nor any other which I can imagine. The polarity of today is Liberty vs Force, it's been around and growing for years, and no "compromise" of those opposites is possible. Thus something's gotta give.

What the military might do is most confusing, having both an oath to uphold but having divided loyalties. What does an EM do when his Captain orders action against their oaths? That could result in really serious charges of Treason in courts martial, scary!

Obama already now has the "private" civilian army which is completely under his control via his DHS, and of course that army is the TSA, which is without divided loyalties in martial law action of Gov vs the People. There is likely already a "top secret" plan for handing over bigger nastier weapons and tactical vehicles from the military. It falls short only in personnel retraining for military operations.

Now returning to Liberty vs Force, never forget that the communists of Force live right next door to the so-called Patriots of Liberty. Thus if or when the chips come down, we will be self-defending our homes and businesses and hunting down neighbors.

I'll leave this for all to chew on.

I must wonder if this work of fiction is in fact a message to all Americans, that just such skullduggery is in the works. You know, for his own protection from government, Shakespeare had to hide the REAL topics within his plays because speaking the truth could be quite dangerous. Ditto for our military.

If Obama gets reelected. Damn that TEA PARTY, they have shown themselves to be so MILITANT in the past, eh?

The tea part is militant? I do not see it but for a mild way with the old flags.

Having a joke X. I would have expected this to have been written with WS Protestors as the subject and it might sound more plausable.

I get your /s/, but dangit, I did hope and expect that the Tea Party would throw SOMETHING overboard to show their intentions of real RESISTANCE. No luck with that one.

We're gonna throw OBAMA overboard in NOV, eh?

Hopefully, but it's gonna take a LOT more than just that!

LOL! Yep those TEA Party people are really "militant". LOL! Thank Heaven for the TEA Party people!~!!!!!

yes under Bama rule...

ANYthing is theoreticly possible.
However the paper spells out the conditions that would be the lynchpin for something of that nature to happen.

An ARMED group, hostile to the government takes over a town....
First it's going to fall to the state governor to mobilize the the state's National Guard. If that fails to dislodge the group, then the governor can petition the President to send federal troops.
But that is going to require a suspension of the Posse Comitatus Act, and that needs approval from Congress to happen, and there MUST be a specific "end date" to such operations as part of the plan....or it will not be approved.
The last time this happened was in the wake of Katrina.

Now, for those of you building up a head of steam....relax.
Officers, especially the higher up ones are always wargaming out some scenario or other. If you, as an officer wind up going to the War College, you may wind up wargaming a theoretical invasion of Canada.....or Mexico....or Florida.
And some officers will leap at the idea of brainstorming such military operations, because it's "virgin" territory.....There has been little thought to military operations within the continental US. So some bright up-and-comer of an officer chose THAT as his subject matter in order to set himself apart from the other officers.

It does not mean that we have a civil war planned out....(with a "foretold year").

You are the first person to even bring up the Posse Comitatus Act. I often think Most Americans are not aware of this nations laws.

I'm a Federal Soldier.
I always bear in mind the Possee Commitatus Act, and the Insurrection Act of 1807.
A lot of people assume that me and mine are mindless robots that can be ordered to kill unarmed Americans/kick puppies/eat babies....
Not true.
I believe that since the possibility exists for me to be mobilized (again, I was at Katrina) within our own borders....I had better be up on the governing laws.
That's why the ones wringing their hands and thinking that me and mine will show up to spill their tea.....mostly make me laugh.
Yes, the possibility exists.......but it's fairly remote.

Thanks

Sure thing.

Those acts have been weakened in 2007 and 1997 respectively. Truth of the matter is, if you see something going on here similar to France in 1789, what side will you be on?

YOU may think those acts "weakened".
But I know they are still very much in effect.

NO, I do not see anything similar to 1789 in France, and so your question is moot.

"It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope."

-- Niccolo Machiavelli

Just because one man tells me everything is going to be okay doesn't make me any more trusting of a system that lacks adequate checks and balances. It's already a proven fact that there are those in power who for different motives want to control the population by any means possible; even if by force. There is no argument to say that some corrupt official (or groups of officials colluding with themselves) to tell our police force and military to suppress a citizen uprising even if they have every right to do so. I'm sure you would not obey such orders but what about others in your position? Just because there are laws on the books doesn't mean everyone will obey them.

Kudos, James. I haven't noticed any great concern on this Administration's snubbing of any laws they choose - and doing so in a bold fashion. NO ONE has had the nerve to stop them. Posse
Commitatus Act means NOTHING to this Admininstration.

Isn't this the reason we wanted our freedom in the first place?

Yes, I believe so.

Doc J is correct in a sense too that seditious talk is against the law but only if the threat is imminent. I truly worry the fate of this country.

You may wish to check on that.
One of the things NOT covered by the First Amendment is sedious speech, and that kind of puts sedition on the outs as well.

Indeed, I would not follow an illegal order, but I have pissed quite a few off in here by letting them know that there can be legal/lawfull reasons that force of arms could possibly be used against a segment of American citizens.
And an armed uprising.....after the due process (governor,Natnl Guard, etc), has played unsuccessfully would be a situation where such an order could/would be legal and lawfull.

Unfortunately you are correct. I'm going to paraphrase the wise Gerald Celente in saying that once the people have nothing to lose, they will lose it. Our government has already created camps that are ready for use when a citizen uprising occurs. We have people in office who are trying to take away our right to defend ourselves, to hear and see what we do behind the confines of private property, and to make life for us more burdensome all under the guise of "national security" and to "protect us from ourselves." I always thought North Korea was our enemy but the way I see it we are becoming more and more like them.

When our government gets into full swing with its socialism, N. Korea will be jealous of it. Our goal: stop our government from going further, and demand it do some back peddling.

What "camps" do you speak of, and in what way has the government moved to reduce or limit your ability to defend yourself??

All of that.
Is one big crock.
I can tell you that just by looking at SOME of the places listed.
Where did you get all that garbage information??

Ok, you say it's one big crock. I'll be glad to hear your explanation.

NO Army post is going to be used to house anyone but Army personnel, and you have just about every base on the East coast listed there.

Further I have BEEN to more than one or two of those listed.
There are NO facilities that could even be converted for such use, and you forget the main concept of post security.
Our fences and gates are there to keep people OUT...not in.

Let's hope you are right.

I am.

That's too early to say.

Not as far as Army post are concerned.

I'm not talking about the Army post, I'm talking about the whole picture. The day things get so bad in this country that we actually rise up against our own government which in retaliation they enact martial law (which would just would inevitably put gasoline on the fire) I will certainly come back to you and say "what now?"

That day will not be coming any time soon.

The problem is a matter of subjectiveness.
The people who think that things are "that bad" have never been to places or actually SEEN what "that bad" looks like.
We're not even close, not even remotely close.
Yeah, some people arn't happy, and things are not going as some people think they should.
But that's a constant.
That's going on ALL the time, no matter who is in office, no matter who controls the Senate.

But your lights are on,
You can still move freely,
You can still buy food at any time, day or night, regardless if it's in season,
You won't risk starving this winter no matter how deep the snow gets,
You havent died or even come close this summer, no matter how hot it's been,
You can still put as much gas in your vehicle as you can afford,
You can still speak your mind,
And you can still decide who you're going to listen to when they speak theirs.

Like I said.....We are NOWHERE NEAR "that bad".

You're right but I never said that it would happen in the immediate future. When the world goes to hell in a handbasket, I'm sure the U.S. and Canada will be the last to go.

There are a LOT of doom sayers out there. But they're all politically motivated. "WE'RE DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED! (Unless you vote for the guy I like better) DOomed!"
And they bank on the idea that everone is going to go right into panic mode while forgetting that the country has weathered the great depression, two world wars, Korea, Veitnam, watergate, the Cuban missile crisis, and the cold war in general......WITHOUT falling apart. Only someone who assumes their audience to be fools would expect you to believe that any ONE Presidential administration republican OR democrat, is going to do what those other HUGE events couldn't.

No, this isn't the work of one man. This is the work of decades of ignorance. The belief that we would always reign supreme over everyone else on this world and a gross overconfidence and bravado. We are a shell of our old self. What brought us back from the Depression isn't going to work anymore. Wars are fought differently now. All in all, our politicians would rather stick their heads in the sand and pretend that the real problems don't exist instead of addressing them head on. Even the Roman Empire didn't last forever. Maybe it's time we should learn from it for once.

All things rise and fall.
Even the United States will. But not any time soon.