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ProudProgressive 2012/07/09 15:03:26
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  • ★Calliope★ 2012/07/09 21:51:56
    ★Calliope★
    +55
    Wow..
    What a bunch of poor victims all in one place. I'm so sorry for you. Very very sorry for you. In fact, I pity you poor victims of capitalism and greedy CEO's. I guess all the CEO's should dismantle their companies so's not to victimize you further. Then I suppose you could work for the 99 percent.. right?

    You poor, poor victims of evil capitalism. You poor, silly folks that just can't understand basic economic principle. You silly folks that obviously haven't had to wrestle with a bottom line, or been held accountable to shareholders.

    You poor folks that don't know the satisfaction of earning and providing real jobs, not government jobs.

    You have only been exploited and ruined by evil capitalists. Hateful stupid conservative capitalists. Those evil folks that would like to keep say, 50 percent of what they make.

    You poor victims. So stupid as to be exploited always. How stupid are you? Victim mentality. Victim vindictiveness and Victim Class warfare. You are being used by a bunch of progressives to push socialism. But hey, go ahead. You are really proving you revel in being a victim.


    Why stay in this country? Leave. Europe would love you.

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  • belle Rogue_L... 2012/07/10 16:02:10
    belle
    +1
    we have a person stting in the Oval office fitting your discription.
  • Samantha 2012/07/09 17:41:01
    Samantha
    +2
    Trust me, they won't understand it.
  • Lady Whitewolf 2012/07/09 17:31:16
    Lady Whitewolf
    +2
    LOVE IT!!!!!
  • darcie lamar 2012/07/09 16:26:44
    darcie lamar
    +19
    Work harder and become a CEO. Then you can hire people and advance them if they want to succeed. Personal choice or you can have a pity party
  • Lady Wh... darcie ... 2012/07/09 17:32:04
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    go play with your little rich buddies, then...
  • dasimon1 Lady Wh... 2012/07/09 23:36:01
    dasimon1
    +6
    why don't you go fly a kite Darcie can say what ever she wants
  • belle Lady Wh... 2012/07/10 16:04:25
    belle
    Maybe you should go get a job and you could play too.
  • gfreema... darcie ... 2012/07/09 18:03:34
    gfreeman BN-0
    +2
    It'd be great if we were all CEO's. That would work out really well, I can see it.
  • darcie ... gfreema... 2012/07/10 00:15:02
    darcie lamar
    +4
    Be whatever you want to be. If you're green with envy of what others have achieved, make a better life for yourself. If you're happy with your life, Great. Your choice. However, being a victim is a waste of something wonderful given to you if you are born in this wonderful country.
  • gfreema... darcie ... 2012/07/11 15:12:01
    gfreeman BN-0
    I've never been a victim. Doesn't it piss you off when people assume things about you?
  • darcie ... gfreema... 2012/07/11 15:32:07
    darcie lamar
    No, I can take it. I'm a big girl.
  • gfreema... darcie ... 2012/07/11 15:33:10
    gfreeman BN-0
    Oh okay.
  • ProudPr... darcie ... 2012/07/09 18:48:13
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    How did the CEOs amass the wealth they now have? Hard work????? No, they got there because of skewed tax codes that allow them to bury their wealth offshore and not pay taxes on it so that they can enjoy all the benefits of this nation without pulling their weight. And the fact of the matter is that NO business would be profitable if it weren't for the people actually DOING the work. You think the President of General Motors ever welded a bumper? That the CEO of Exxon ever dug a hole in the ground looking for oil? And then there are those like Mitt Romney, who not only haven't actually EARNED a penny of what they have but who haven't even marginally PRODUCED anything in exchange for the wealth they have taken, but have only gotten rich by stealing the futures of thousands of WORKING Americans whose jobs they shipped to China and whose businesses they drove into bankruptcy.
  • Rogue_L... ProudPr... 2012/07/09 19:10:13 (edited)
  • darcie ... Rogue_L... 2012/07/10 00:34:14
    darcie lamar
    +5
    I'm a CEO and no one handed me anything. Today I had a spa day, it was run by a family. The father was probably the CEO, working his ass off, along with his wife and daughter. They will make more the $250 a year and be taxed at a higher rate, is that fair. Small business owners are CEO's and work hard, often 7 days a week until they can HIRE people to help run a successful business.
  • Rogue_L... darcie ... 2012/07/10 00:50:57
  • darcie ... Rogue_L... 2012/07/10 04:39:42
    darcie lamar
    +4
    If you are the owner, you are the Chief Executive Officer. Congratulations!
  • Rogue_L... darcie ... 2012/07/10 13:57:48
  • darcie ... Rogue_L... 2012/07/10 16:45:45
    darcie lamar
    +2
    We are the bad guys. Working 60 hours a week and hiring people to help them have a good life. : )
  • Dark Kn... ProudPr... 2012/07/09 22:36:41
    Dark Knight
    +3
    So far, though, no one has found out that he: 1. lied on a college financial aid application (as to being a foreign applicant); or, 2. lied about being an American so as to become POTUS. He's, so far, been able to make it work both ways; but, maybe that will end once even you haters of patriotism come around and respect your country.
  • belle Dark Kn... 2012/07/10 16:06:27
    belle
    +1
    who lied about being an american, oh you mean Obama
  • darcie ... ProudPr... 2012/07/10 00:18:13
    darcie lamar
    +6
    Hard work and brains. How did people become victims and fail? Laziness and class warfare. Listen up, I know hundreds of people that come to America and succeed, own their own businesses and love America. You sure promote jealousy of anyone who is successful Of course CEO's work and and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Get out into the real world.
  • dasimon1 darcie ... 2012/07/10 00:27:37
    dasimon1
    +4
    You go girl ,He has his head up Obamas ass and he lost his eqauilibrium !
  • dasimon1 ProudPr... 2012/07/10 00:24:44
    dasimon1
    +3
    All CEO'S aren't like that...the big companies maybe for the most part. You make a generalization that doesn't hold waterr !
  • LadyBGood ProudPr... 2012/07/10 11:44:34
    LadyBGood
    +2
    How did our so called representatives amass their wealth? Not from hard work. But off the tax payers backs!
  • HarleyCharley 2012/07/09 15:51:35
    HarleyCharley
    +5
    that is such BS.....
  • tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA 2012/07/09 15:42:24
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +13
    Doesn't the CEO Guy provide the jobs needed by the median and minimum wage earner? At least until government gets involved.
  • ProudPr... tommyg ... 2012/07/09 18:50:02
    ProudProgressive
    +4
    No, actually it's the other way around. It's all those people who actually WORK each day riveting bumpers to cars or pumping the oil out of the ground whose labors enable the CEO to take the money that results from their efforts and stick it in a Cayman Islands account until he decides to send their jobs to China altogether.
  • tommyg ... ProudPr... 2012/07/09 20:41:40
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +9
    Isn't that why the CEO INVESTS in the opportunity....to make money?
  • ProudPr... tommyg ... 2012/07/09 20:55:31
    ProudProgressive
    +3
    Putting money in a Cayman Islands bank account is not "investing", is it? That's the fundamental fallacy of supply side economics - it assumes that when you give more to the rich they will spend more in ways that will help those on each lower rung of the economic ladder. But when that wealth is withdrawn from the system entirely, the result is that the rich get richer and the rest of us get nothing. The people who work each day in that factory expect that if their hard work results in greater profits for the business that they will see some reward for their efforts like a raise, or like a more comfortable work environment, or a better health care plan, etc.

    Also, while what you say certainly does have some validity in the situation of a start-up company in which someone puts their own money on the line to start a business, the CEOs of the average Fortune 500 corporation today have not invested one penny of their own funds in those businesses. The stock they hold in those companies does not represent investment, it pretty much represents tax fraud because if they take stock as "payment" instead of cash they can pay little or nothing in taxes on it.
  • tommyg ... ProudPr... 2012/07/09 23:04:33
    tommyg - POTL- PWCM-JLA
    +3
    Proud, you know I meant starting up the business as the investment.

    And you act like the median and minimal workers were working there before the start up.....how do you figure?

    I get your point about a CEO coming in after the business is up and running.
  • MidnightCowboy 2012/07/09 15:35:54
    MidnightCowboy
    +6
    Kudos!

    post of the day
  • Lady Wh... Midnigh... 2012/07/09 17:32:16
    Lady Whitewolf
    +1
    agreed
  • dasimon1 Midnigh... 2012/07/10 00:30:19
    dasimon1
    +2
    oy vey you taking a poll?
  • Mike 2012/07/09 15:29:37
    Mike
    +9
    You must love those “rich” guys, for it is highly unlikely one will get a job from a poor person.
  • ProudPr... Mike 2012/07/09 18:51:35
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    If the last ten years are any guide, the American people aren't getting a whole lot of jobs from those "rich" guys, either, unless they're willing to sacrifice their own rights and work for minimum wage and then have to pray each night that their job won't be shipped to China so the "rich" guy can buy another private jet.
  • Mike ProudPr... 2012/07/09 20:11:55
    Mike
    +6
    Due to the progressive tax code and progressive governmental regulations, transformed the environment in the US to be hostile to many kinds of industry, especially those who have commodities competing with other countries having a much friendlier atmosphere for corporate growth. When a US corporation is faced with offshore competition cleaning their clock the choice is simple, go out of business, or compete with them on their own turf.

    Not only are corporations trying to stay in business by leaving the US, look at the recent liberal Democrat millionaire Denise Rich giving up US citizenship to save millions in US taxes. When the rich and corporations leave the US to survive, the rest of us will not get any jobs from the poor who remain. In addition, how will the government force their socialistic redistribution when the rich all leave the US.
  • ProudPr... Mike 2012/07/09 21:11:04
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    So how is it that our progressive tax code and progressive governmental regulations weren't a problem when our nation experienced its greatest period of prosperity and growth, from the New Deal until the Reagan election? The environment wasn't all that "hostile" was it? I do think that the easing and generally speaking elimination of any tariffs that prevented other countries from trying to undercut the market in this country has had a much more devastating effect on our economic growth. And no, I don't blame the Right Wing entirely for that. Clinton was as guilty as George I for NAFTA, and if President Obama does follow through with all the rumors I've been hearing about a Pacific trade agreement I will be very disappointed.

    As for Denise Rich, I agree with you that anyone giving up their citizenship to avoid paying taxes is shameful. It's too bad that Republican Eduardo Saverin set the example.

    And since the government has no plans for any sort of socialistic redistribution, we don't have anything to worry about in that regard. At least until 2017 when the next President takes over. But I doubt Hillary would try it either.

    [That last sentence was supposed to be humorous.]
  • Mike ProudPr... 2012/07/09 21:39:13
    Mike
    +4
    Actually liberal progressivism started during Woodrow Wilson and slowly changed our form of government via the “living constitution” like a cancer where today it has finally metastasized; hence, the state of our Nation in some illusion of “hope and change” like a form of governmental chemotherapy. Now the predominant question becomes, is our Nation going to survive?
  • ProudPr... Mike 2012/07/09 22:22:56
    ProudProgressive
    +2
    If President Obama is re-elected our nation will survive. If the Koch Brothers are elected, God help us all.

    Our government is not a cancer. I'm no big fan of Wilson either, and I don't really see how Wilson fundamentally transformed our government, other than by his creation of the Federal Reserve, which I agree has become an abomination. FDR, on the other hand, created the most productive, prosperous and healthy economic society this nation ever enjoyed, and it would have continued for as long as there were Americans but for Ronald Reagan's ascention and the beginning of the "supply side economics" fraud. Reagan forgot, or ignored, that it was tax cuts for the richest Americans coupled with the complete deregulation of American financial industries that were the primary causes of the Great Depression, and both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama understand that it is only by the government serving as the prime for the pump that can end the economic crisis. Massive government spending for public sector employment ended the Great Depression. We had a taste of that with President Obama's stimulus, which created over 4 million jobs even though it was at least a third smaller than every reputable economist agrees it should have been. The American Jobs Act which Congressional Repub...
    If President Obama is re-elected our nation will survive. If the Koch Brothers are elected, God help us all.

    Our government is not a cancer. I'm no big fan of Wilson either, and I don't really see how Wilson fundamentally transformed our government, other than by his creation of the Federal Reserve, which I agree has become an abomination. FDR, on the other hand, created the most productive, prosperous and healthy economic society this nation ever enjoyed, and it would have continued for as long as there were Americans but for Ronald Reagan's ascention and the beginning of the "supply side economics" fraud. Reagan forgot, or ignored, that it was tax cuts for the richest Americans coupled with the complete deregulation of American financial industries that were the primary causes of the Great Depression, and both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama understand that it is only by the government serving as the prime for the pump that can end the economic crisis. Massive government spending for public sector employment ended the Great Depression. We had a taste of that with President Obama's stimulus, which created over 4 million jobs even though it was at least a third smaller than every reputable economist agrees it should have been. The American Jobs Act which Congressional Republicans have refused to consider for almost a year is the ideal embodiment of what has already worked. The LAST thing we need to do right now is hand even MORE of the nation's wealth to the richest Americans. And that is precisely what the Koch Brothers - I mean Mitt Romney - plan to do.
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