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Dairy farmers worry that proposed E-Verify law will kill industry

Immigration battle lands in the heart of rural America












By Georgia Pabst of the Journal Sentinel

New Holstein - As daylight breaks, David Geiser is already in
the barn of the Gold Star Dairy farm tending to more than 300 head of
Holsteins on his sprawling farm.








Like his
father and grandfather, Geiser has lived and worked on this farm,
founded by his Polish and German immigrant ancestors, all his life. Next
year the farm will celebrate its 100th anniversary.








Deborah
Reinhart, whose Quaker ancestors were dairy farmers in Pennsylvania,
works alongside her husband as the farm business manager and also cares
for the young livestock. The couple raised three sons, who are now grown
and gone to other careers and other locales.








But Geiser and Reinhart remain.








"This is our
life," Reinhart said. "It's who we are and what we do. The dairy
mentality is deep in my soul. Everything David and I have is tied up in
this land."








Now they find
themselves caught up in the contentious immigration battle that
stretches from the halls of Washington to this quiet rural landscape and
Wisconsin's signature industry. They worry that proposed legislation
that would require all employers to use a new system - called E-Verify -
to confirm employment eligibility could jeopardize their livelihood.








About four in 10 dairy farm workers are immigrants, many believed to be undocumented.








"If E-Verify passes, it will kill the dairy industry in Wisconsin," Reinhart said. "I'm scared to death."








The E-Verify
bill, or Legal Workforce Act, was introduced in May by U.S. Rep. Lamar
Smith (R-Texas), who framed it as a jobs bill saying illegal immigrants
are taking jobs from Americans who need them.








E-Verify is
an electronic, Internet-based system operated by the U.S. Department of
Homeland Security and the Social Security Administration. It checks
Social Security numbers to determine whether a person can legally work
in the United States.








Right now
it's optional, but Smith's bill would make it a requirement, and there
could be criminal penalties for employers. The agriculture industry
would have three years to implement the system.








"With
unemployment at 9%, jobs are scarce," Smith said in a statement when he
introduced the bill. "Despite record unemployment, 7 million people work
in the U.S. illegally. There is no other legislation that can be
enacted that will create more jobs for American workers."








U.S. Rep. Jim
Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), a co-sponsor of the bill, said: "Individuals
come here illegally because they know they can find work outside our
immigration system. By making E-Verify mandatory, we will ensure
employers are hiring American workers and legal immigrants."








But the bill has strong critics.








The American
Civil Liberties Union notes the system as it stands has an error rate of
2% to 3%. That means hundreds of thousands could be denied work because
of errors, said Chris Calabrese, ACLU's legislative counsel.








And the
National Milk Producers Federation said the bill is "undesirable"
without comprehensive immigration reform, or a visa program that would
allow dairy farmers to hire immigrant workers.








Under the
current system, employers must fill out and keep on file what are called
I-9 forms, which contain information that shows the employee is
eligible to work. But it's not the employer's responsibility to verify
the information.








The shift to E-Verify, which puts the onus on the employers, worries Reinhart and Geiser and other dairy farmers.








About 11
years ago when the couple couldn't find enough local workers to help
them milk the cows around-the-clock, 365 days a year, they started
hiring Mexican immigrants. Reinhart said she believed what she called
the "new wave of immigrants" would continue the American story of
arrival, hard work, settlement and assimilation - like their own
immigrant ancestors.








For a while
things were OK. But as immigration has grown into a political lightning
rod, Reinhart and Geiser, like other dairy farmers in Wisconsin and
across the country, find themselves in a delicate situation when it
comes to their critical labor needs and those they hire to do the work.








"We're
scared. We might be breaking the law, but we don't know it," Reinhart
said. "We would never, ever break the law, but it's close. All we're
trying to do is manage a business and feed the world, and here we find
ourselves in a terrible kettle of fish."


41% of workers foreign








The Gold Star
farm, which employs six workers, isn't alone in looking to immigrant
labor in the dairy state. A 2009 study by Jill Harrison, an assistant
professor in the University of Wisconsin-Madison department of rural
sociology, found that immigrants - primarily Mexicans - make up 40% of
dairy employees in the state








Meanwhile, a
national survey sponsored by the National Milk Producers Federation
found that 41% of the farms surveyed relied on foreign-born workers.








The Wisconsin
study points to the cultural and demographic shifts in which many rural
young people leave the farm for the city and elsewhere. Reinhart said
she thought that with joblessness so high there would be more local,
what she calls "traditional workers," but that's not been the case.
Applicants want weekends off, or have health or other problems that
limit their work, she said.








The immigrant
workers have become so valuable because they work hard, they're
dependable and they work well with the dairy cows, she said.








"Cows like
repetition, continuity and boredom, and we want them treated the same
all the time," Reinhart said. "If not, they won't give milk. They will
get scared and maybe fall and hurt themselves. That's why consistent and
stable labor is so important."








Roberto
Carlos Jimenez, 27, the milking parlor manager at Gold Star Dairy Farm,
has been working at the farm for five years. He came here from Mexico
with a stop in California. The work is hard, and there are long hours -
about 10 hours a day, he said in Spanish. He now makes $11.25 an hour.








"I've grown
to like the job," he said. "It's routine, but you get used to it. You
have to be calm, and you have to leave your moods and problems outside.
You can't treat the cows badly. You have to be calm."








Although many might consider the work unskilled, it's not like digging ditches, Reinhart said.








There's heavy
equipment to run, milking equipment to learn to use, feed to mix,
science-based practices, policies and procedures to follow, and animal
well-being to encourage, she said. That requires that employees get
trained, which takes time.


Farming is tough business








The state's
dairy industry drives a big part of the economy, contributing $26.5
billion a year, according to statistics from the Wisconsin Milk
Marketing Board. The average dairy cow generates more than $20,000 a
year, which is pumped back into the community and local businesses.








During the
past five years, dairy producers and processing firms have invested more
than $2.5 billion to modernize farms, cheese plants and other
infrastructure in the state, according to the board. Some 99% of the
state's 12,700 dairy farms are family-owned.








Dairy farming
is a tough business, said John Rosenow of Rosenholm-Wolfe Dairy in
Waumandee, on the western edge of the state. He's become an outspoken
advocate for comprehensive immigration reform nationally because it's
needed to provide a stable, secure dairy workforce.








"Right now
it's a fair statement to say that 60% of the milk that's harvested is
harvested by immigrants, and the vast majority are probably
undocumented," he said. "If they do E-Verify and follow up with strong
enforcement, it will kill the dairy industry that's been growing pretty
strongly."








Rosenow's
views are shared by fellow dairy man Tim O'Harrow of Oconto Falls. He is
politically the polar opposite of his longtime friend - though they
agree on this issue.








"As it is,
it's an unworkable situation," O'Harrow said. "What's more disconcerting
is that I'm proud to say I'm a Republican, and Republicans are the ones
who are trying to impose the cost of this upon employers who are the
ones that contribute to their re-election bids.








"Food is a cost and if we allow food to go offshore, like we have other products, we will become a second-class world power."








While
agriculture opposes E-Verify, a Rasmussen poll taken in May showed that
82% of those surveyed thought businesses should be required to use
E-Verify to determine work eligibility, while 12% opposed the
requirement.








When asked
about the survey, Reinhart said she doesn't believe there's a good
understanding of how it would affect agriculture. That's why she said
she talks to groups and organizations about the dairy industry and its
labor problems.








Although the House has yet to take up the E-Verify bill, some states are going ahead on their own.








The U. S.
Supreme Court recently upheld Arizona's E-Verify law. Other states, such
as Georgia, Mississippi and Utah, have enacted their own E-Verify laws.


A commitment and a cost








Brillion
dairy farmers Gordon and Cathy Speirs are Canadian immigrants hiring
Latino immigrants "with the U.S. in the middle," Gordon Speirs said.








In 2003 the
third-generation dairy farmer emigrated from Canada and started the
Shiloh Dairy Farms. They now have 200 acres and milk 1,450 cows with a
workforce that's 90% immigrants.








He and his
wife came on an investment visa based on their investing $1 million and
creating 10 jobs. Later, he said, he had to get green cards for himself,
his wife and their three children. Legal and other costs have totaled
about $100,000, he said.








"The reason I
have immigrant workers is not about the cost of paying them - we will
pay what they're worth - but the immigrant workforce has a commitment to
the job that you can't find in the local labor market," he said.








What he
believes is needed is an agriculture jobs bill or comprehensive
immigration reform, but he's watched reform efforts fail under President
George W. Bush and now President Barack Obama.








While he doesn't believe E-Verify will kill the dairy industry, there will be a cost, he said.








"If we don't
have a workforce, it will decimate our ability to do our job," he said.
"Right now, dairy is the No. 1 industry in Wisconsin. If it catches a
cough, the economy gets the flu."








As he sees it, there a choice: "Your food will be produced by a foreign worker in this country or in another country."

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  • atomikmom 2011/10/16 06:05:09
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    atomikmom
    +1
    Totally for E-Verify, 100%
  • Tits ISHBAHFF McGee 2011/10/15 23:55:49
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    Tits ISHBAHFF McGee
    +1
    perhaps they need to come up with a work to rule welfare reform to coincide with this, like to get people off of welfare/unemployment and work in these jobs. Get these people working, get them out and about, get there resumes so they have something on it, and get them active.
  • Steve 2011/10/15 14:27:04
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    Steve
    +1
    It seems to me that America, in principle, should be open to allowing economic refugees from Mexico or other places to get here and building a better life. Current immigration restrictions should perhaps be loosened.

    EXCEPT that right now, jobs are hard to find for citizens. This isn't the right time to make it easy for poor foreigners to come here or illegal ones to stay here.

    A reasonable compromise may be to skip e-Verify for low-wage jobs that few citizens will take, like picking crops or domestic cleaning/nanny. The rest of us do benefit, after all, from the cheap agricultural labor, and the laborers, hard as they have it, do better than they could at home.

    An illegal immigrant can operate his own business without having to be a verified employee of anyone. So the particularly clever/industrious ones have a path to build a life here if they work hard and stay out of trouble. It would be best if this were a completely legal approach, but the status quo on this sort of works for our society.
  • JHup BN-0 Steve 2011/10/15 16:39:44
    JHup BN-0
    I like the suggestion that some have made to have something like a "worker's visa" for those types of jobs (picking crops, etc.). Those laborers would be here for a defined length of time, documented and traceable. Perhaps while they were here they could start the process to become citizens.
  • ProudProgressive 2011/10/15 13:36:42
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    ProudProgressive
    +2
    The Everify system still has problems, like a 3% error rate, but I believe the kinks can be worked out and the system made more reliable. What I like about the system and the related legislation is that it finally puts the burden of keeping illegals from gaining American jobs where it should be - on the employers. Until there is a REAL downside for employers to hire illegals they will continue to do so, and that serves as a lure for more to cross our borders. If an illegal knows that he will not be able to get a job here, he is less likely to come here in the first place. President Obama has made impressive progress at limiting the number of illegals crossing our borders, and it is good to see that he has gotten our deportation rate to record highs, but it isn't enough. Holding employers accountable seems the only practical approach and Everify, though as I said still not perfect, seems to be the best step in the right direction we could make.
  • Foxhound BN0 2011/10/15 13:29:59
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    Foxhound BN0
    +2
    I think it's better to discourage people from coming here illegally than to entice them here with jobs while at the same time attacking them for coming here. These companies are refusing to do a simple check to determine work eligibility, they are demanding the right to bring foreign labor into a country with high unemployment, and it is hurting us all.

    Immigration is a beautiful thing, but we have to set limits to protect our economy. Basically what the milk man is saying is, "We are getting a great deal here, not hiring Americans, and we don't want it to end!"
  • JHup BN-0 Foxhoun... 2011/10/15 13:35:01
    JHup BN-0
    +1
    Thanks for the thoughtful comment!
  • Foxhoun... JHup BN-0 2011/10/15 13:41:34
    Foxhound BN0
    +2
    You are welcome! Great blog, Jhup!
  • jay 2011/08/05 14:15:57
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    jay
    ship those illegals back if necessary by gunpoint
  • les_gvt 2011/08/01 00:31:06
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    les_gvt
    If they would make the people who hire illegals pay a $250k fine per hire and an automatic 6 month jail term per illegal, you would see this problem disappear rather quickly.

    Then the free market system could assert itself, and people would be forced to raise their pay rates if they want to stay in business. As long as you allow illegals to keep hurting, you depress wages, and this in turn hurts tax revenues
  • keeper 2011/08/01 00:20:53
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    keeper
    Illegal is still ILLEGAL~~~
  • ed 2011/07/31 20:46:48
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    ed
    +1
    good for some but not all AMERICANS need jobs not the illegals who don't belong here.
  • davidl 2011/07/31 20:11:45
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    davidl
    If the farmers were required to e-verify, then some would go out of business, larger farms would buy them out. This lowers costs due to the economy of scale, and makes it more attractive to mechanize when appropriate. In labor-intensive crops, the farmers would be forced to grow something more profitable that supports human labor.

    In any event, low margin crops would be imported, high margin crops would lower costs for competitive reasons, and be able to support US citizen labor. Lazy, underperforming farmers would be out of work.

    I don't see a downside except for people who insist on being farmers but don't have enough land to maintain a decent margin. Those people need to sell out and do something else.
  • dave b 2011/07/31 19:56:27
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    dave b
    +1
    E-Verify is supposed to prevent hiring illegals, so whats the problem? I'm pretty sick of the sob stories that I hear. If you want workers, hire them and pay them. Period.
  • Sgt Major B 2011/07/31 19:53:26
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    Sgt Major B
    +1
    1. Hire Americans.
    2. Use E-verify and avoid becoming a convicted felon (See Title 8, USC, § 1324).
    3. Support America for once instead of whining about "Life's not fair!"
  • MAMMY51♥POTL~PWCM~JLA♥ 2011/07/31 19:22:39
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    MAMMY51♥POTL~PWCM~JLA♥
    +3
    Get US citizens to work, it's the only way to get our economy moving again.
  • JHup BN-0 MAMMY51... 2011/07/31 19:30:06
    JHup BN-0
    +1
    If you read the article, these farmers are worried about their farms surviving if they can't hire the immigrants because they can't GET any of the legal locals to work for them! And that's at over $!! an hour!
  • MAMMY51... JHup BN-0 2011/07/31 19:35:25
    MAMMY51♥POTL~PWCM~JLA♥
    +3
    That's BS, I live in a rural area, and I grew up in a rural area in Texas and the locals will work for a decent salary if they are treated fairly. The farmers that claim they can't get local people to work for $11.00 an hour have treated US citizens that work for them unfairly, in order to hire illegals at half the wage.
  • JHup BN-0 MAMMY51... 2011/07/31 19:46:32
    JHup BN-0
    +2
    You could be right - I just posted what the farmers here were quoted as saying in the local paper.
  • Rebel Yell JHup BN-0 2011/07/31 23:59:58
    Rebel Yell
    +1
    Georgia has mandated Everify and says the shortage of farm laborers is really hurting them now. Mammy 51 doesn't know what the hell she is talking about..... again. ( She blocked me long ago. LOL!) Anglos will flip burgers and will be dog walkers and will mop the mall but they will not work 12 hour days picking lettuce or cucumbers in the hot sun. That fruit or those vegetables will only stay on the vine for so long before it rots and hits the ground. You bet EVerify is a problem..... and for Republicans who are insisting it be mandated nation wide. Those agri lobbyists are very upset now.
  • les_gvt Rebel Yell 2011/08/01 00:27:51
    les_gvt
    The problem is, there are 510,000 unemployed people in Georgia right now, and in need of jobs. However, the farmers are not willing to pay thee wages these people are making on welfare.

    This means that 1) farmers need to pay better 2) welfare payments need to be reduced

    If you can make almost as much sitting on your tail drinking beer watching Montel, why wouldn't you
  • Tits IS... JHup BN-0 2011/10/15 23:53:48
    Tits ISHBAHFF McGee
    that's the problem- people living in north america are spoiled and living on the reality tv/ soap opera dream land that they go to university and graduate into some high paying jobs where they don't have to get their hands dirty. nobody wants to do back breaking menial labour for cheap money. nobody.

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